Mykal K
Germany
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Posted - Dec 12 2016 : 05:08:30 AM Show Profile Email Poster Visit Mykal K's Homepage Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Wanted to post about this guy, seems Kirtanmann has beaten me to it.
Some time has passed though, here is the link that works now:
http://www.lorinroche.com/.
He talkes, among other things, not to overdo with meditation:
http://www.lorinroche.com/benefits/dangers/dangers/dilation.html,
and, to be careful in taking other people`s opinnions as one`s own:
http://www.lorinroche.com/benefits/dangers/dangers/vows.html.
But, much more is there as well, as well as his own experiences with meditation, and some of the ways people can help themselves make their practice their own.
Found it worth to read. Enjoy.
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
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Posted - Dec 12 2016 : 3:55:51 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Mykal, I also find Roche's approach and site interesting. I like the way he considers that everyone is different, and how this matters in yoga and meditation. Also, he brings Yogani's The-Guru-is-in-you to a whole new dimension by adding the rebel, so, yes, The-guru-and-the-rebel-are-in-you.
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Mykal K
Germany
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 17 2016 : 10:58:02 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
very interesting another slice of what yoga can or cant be thankyou wiil read more bit by bit
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Mykal K
Germany
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sunyata
USA
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Hi Mykal,
Thank you for reviving this thread. I have been reading the radiance sutras for the past few days. I'm mesmerized.
The full length Radiance Sutra is in his website.
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
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Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 05:17:34 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Sunyata, thank you for posting that link ? did not know that site and found the content quite interesting, including the article by tantrik traditions scholar Christopher Willis criticizing Roche?s approach to the ancient tantric writing.
I read Willis?s article yesterday. I can understand that, from his scholar?s point of view, Roche?s writing may be far from being a translation of the original tantric verses (actually, the fact that the book is NOT intended to be a translation is quite clear to the reader right from the beginning; at least it was very clear to me).
Of course, I would really LOVE to be a scholar who understands the real meaning of the mysterius and elliptical sutras and verses from the ancient yoga writings we all enjoy. But for an average Westerner like me it?s simply not possible to achieve such level of knowledge.
So it?s very important that authors like Roche, Yogani and others have the balls to do the hard work for us average people and write handbooks about yoga practices in a language that we Westerners of today can understand. If we did not have such authors, yoga would still be something for the fews.
Yes, I am an average Westerner and I probably do yoga practices that someone would not even call ?yoga?, and, yes, I don?t know much about all the yogic traditions and the culture of those ancient times in the East. Still, I feel the urge and the pleasure to do those practices, and beautyful things keep happening in my life.
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Mykal K
Germany
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Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 06:52:23 AM Show Profile Email Poster Visit Mykal K's Homepage Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Thanks Sunyata .
Didn't know that there are 32 sutras on that site .
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Charliedog
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Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 07:05:41 AM Show Profile Email Poster Visit Charliedog's Homepage Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Beautiful Sunyata, thank you.
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It's a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading
Edited by - Charliedog on Dec 20 2016 07:06:46 AM
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sunyata
USA
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Hi Ecdyonurus,
Glad you liked it. The knowingness does not differentiate between a Westerner and Easterner. The bliss of the infinte is timeless and rapturous.
One embrace melts the questioning mind. And yes Yogani is Legendary!
quote:
Still, I feel the urge and the pleasure to do those practices, and beautyful things keep happening in my life.
Edited by - sunyata on Dec 20 2016 4:26:10 PM
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sunyata
USA
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Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 4:38:24 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Charliedog
Beautiful Sunyata, thank you.
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It's a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading
Hi Charliedog,
I have read few pages of that book online. That is indeed heavy!
I'm getting a pull to buy books on Kashmir Shaivism/ Tantra.
Daniel Odier- Tantric Quest: An Encounter with Absolute Love
It's about his journey to the East in the 60s and meeting a female tantric master. Just reading that felt radical!
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 9:44:54 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Now you got me curious!
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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Posted - Dec 21 2016 : 01:41:47 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Charliedog
Beautiful Sunyata, thank you.
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It's a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading
Yeah. I am 3/4 of the way through that book and I have been reading (on and off) for the past 3 years
The other book of this size which I, however, devoured in 3 days was The Lord of the Rings.
Sey
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Charliedog
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quote:
I have read few pages of that book online. That is indeed heavy!
I'm getting a pull to buy books on Kashmir Shaivism/ Tantra.
I meant literally heavy Sunyata I have the printed version of Osho......it was some years ago before finding AYP. I became interested in Advaita, but I didn't find that what I was looking for in books of for instance Nisargadatta. Then I found Osho, his teachings gave me insight in my feelings. One other very beautiful tantra book of Osho is 'Song of Mahamudra' one of my favorites.
If you feel a pull to Kasmir Shavism check you tube on Igor Kufayev. He teaches pure love (my opinion) also he explains very clear the Samadhi stages.
Anyway, I love to read and to resonate with teachers, but I have to say that Yogani's teachings filled the gaps I had.
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sunyata
USA
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Hi Dogboy,
The book is on it's way along with The Radiance Sutras by Lorin Roche. Looking forward to them.
Hi Charliedog,
I too have been listening and reading Igor Kufayev for few years now. He is indeed very clear! In my opinion Kashmir Shaivism and AYP complement each other perfectly.
I've listened to quite a few of Osho videos. They are all beautiful. But it feels like he is not grounded but to each his own.
Sally Kempton is another wonderful K.Shaivism teacher.
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Charliedog
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Sunyata I ordered too the book of Daniel Odier....it takes two weeks because it has to come from the US
Thank you for your sharing
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sunyata
USA
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Sweet! I would love to read your review. Mine should be here by next week.
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
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Posted - Jan 09 2017 : 05:23:47 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hy Sunyata, I just read in another thread that you are reading Roche's book. It would be interesting to talk about that, wouldn'it? In the other thread you called the book a "translation", but to me it does not sounds like a translation (which is not to say that Roche' book is not good!). What is your point of view?
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sunyata
USA
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Posted - Jan 09 2017 : 09:41:52 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Ecdyonurus,
It is Roche's interpretation of the Vijana Bhairava Tantra- dialogue between the divine masculine and divine feminine. It has just blown me away. The last six years I've had to work on integrating the awakening so it has been more experiential path and haven't done much reading except for Yogani's books and lessons. And limited to Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharishi and Yoganada.
I've discovered Kashmir Shaivism and it's knock your socks off reading combined with AYP practices. Also, I like the fact that Roche has included the Devanagari script(Sanskrit),translated it into Roman letters and then included his own interpretation. I can read much better in English than Sanskrit but it's been nice to brush up on my ability to read the Devanagari script.
In my personal practice, I invoke my Isthas through mantras before I sit for my daily practice. I've also started reading a page of Roche's book to invoke the inner energies before my practice. This has been powerful. So, I've had to self pace on the book because each word is so potent that it makes the inner energies stronger. I've stopped at pg.70 for right now.
In a nutshell, the book is simply his interpretation of his experience with the inner energies over his decades of practice. The words to describe the book - Divine Ecstasy.
Have you read the book? I would love to hear your perspective.
Edited by - sunyata on Jan 09 2017 11:57:17 AM
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
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Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 03:38:34 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Sunyata,
Thanks for your reply - very interesting!
My knowledge of the philosophy called Kashmir Shaivism is shallow, but if we allow ourself to keep it very schematic we could consider that ?Shiva? and ?Shakti? of that philosophy are called ?inner silence? and ?ecstatic conductivity? in AYP, well, I can understand why you wrote that Kashmir Shaivism can be combined with AYP practices. Please don't hit me if this sounds too schematic...
Anyway, although I don?t know much about eastern philosophy and yoga systems, my feeling is that AYP is largely based on a tantric approach, despite the fact that Yogani seems to root his writings mainly in the Yoga sutras of Patanjali. I wrote ?seems to root? because this could be my distorted understanding of Yogani?s writings, of course. Again, please dont hit me...
Concerning Roche?s book, I also find it brilliant and inspiring, and like you I also look at it as his personal - and very inspiring - interpretation oft he Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, not as a translation like a scholar would do. Also, it is clear that he integrated in the rendition his own meditation experience, which seem to be quite huge.
But what I don?t understand is how you can combine this book with the AYP approach to meditation practice, because if I understood things well, the way the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra approaches meditation practice is very different from the AYP approach:
- The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra considers that each practitioner is different, and therefore each practitioner has to find his/her own meditation practice among the 112 radically different methods contained in the book. Roche?s approach goes even further, including meditation techniques that sound very ?freestyle?.
- AYP adopted a single mantra meditation technique with a basic mantra for every practitioner and a very limited set of enhancements oft he basic mantra. The variable elements in the AYP approach to meditation are that each practitioner has to find the right duration of his/her meditation session and the right mantra enhancement (or just stay with the basic mantra).
What is your point of view on that aspect?
By the way, I envy you for being able to read Devanagari?
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