Emc, I had actually written two replies to this, just after you posted. On the first I hit Ctrl and something else by accident and lost it. The second was a longer post and when I sent it the message came up Service not Available. So I tried, but it wasn’t to be
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Emc said:
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“Funny I found this question after a major weird meta-thought experience. Yesterday I was just getting on my train, stepping in to the door to the right, when I thought "I no longer believe my thoughts". What happened then was exactly what you describe: I immediately took like a "jump" to the side while the thought was still hanging like a stripe in the air - observing both the thinking process and the thought as something completely "NOT ME", like an object. I was aware of the body, face actually sort of frowning and making a very slight attempt to look to the left as if the thought was still hanging outside of the train while I had boarded. It was very, very clear how believing the thought "I no longer believe my thoughts" and telling it to myself as a story I learned from Byron Katie, repeating it as a parrot, was a non-valid mind construction with the purpose of trying to hold an image of 'doing the right thing', while observing the thinking happening was very... authentic. Very weird meta-experience to actually then not believe that particular thought!
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Thanks for the great reply Andrew; I will try and respond to the two posts together.
Andrew said:
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“So from my perspective, there is awareness, thoughts float into it, if they possess a strong enough emotional charge, I can become absorbed in them and experience them visually like a mini-dream. Otherwise, there can be long periods of silence, which allows the direct experience of life without commentary through the senses. With less distraction into thoughts, (thoughts are still there, just not powerful enough to attract attention into becoming absorbed into them), more light pervades the mind, peace, good feelings etc.”
I like this explanation Andrew, when I attempt to understand it, I refer back to an awakening experience I had where I came out of a bubble or sphere of logic and analysis and thinking and entered a space which was free of this, and correspondingly free of all pain. I could re-enter the sphere anytime but was not bound by it.
I’ve been trying to make sense of all this in relation to what’s going on now and what has transpired since the experience, which was a long time ago. To cut a long story short the experience was had without clearing the lower chakras, in other words the spirituality was upper body from heart up.
Since then my journey has been to bring the energy up and clear with the feminine energies. This has only fallen into place for me recently. But that’s by and by.
After posing the question above a few thought came: I thought of the question “What is the origin of a creative idea”. One that simply pops into the head, seemingly out of nowhere.
To me it comes from the intelligence that is in the silence, this all pervading intelligence that permeates everything all the time. So that when we observe a thought we are observing it out of this intelligence which is a difference space than the thinking mind. It may seem like thinking and maybe it manifests as a form of thinking but it is a place of freedom also.
I remember this vividly in that experience I had of being able to comprehend and observe the thinking mind but not be part of it. I remember being in the moment, but at that time I had never heard of such a thing.
It is fascinating to me Emc that you observed the thought as hanging outside to the left. It occurred to me that the silent intelligence is translated through the Right Creative Brain, it has to manifest physically somewhere so we can experience it.
So your experiencing it hanging out to the left seems like you might have been observing the left hand thinking mind with the right hand creative mind.
Just a thought!!!
Andrew said:
“I find that the AYP practices move us slowly out of our minds and into our hearts and senses. The practices help release energy from thoughts until the point where they are no longer charged enough to pull attention away from here and now. This energy comes to pervade the here and now, enlivening the direct experience of inner silence and making our experience of life more vivid and illuminated.”
Yes and it does this in a full body way that clears everything in a gradual and balanced way.
The pieces are coming together for me, where I can understand that awakening experience I had in relation to what is going on here with the AYP practices and before that also, which is important for me.
I have some way to go to get into that space again but it is coming together at last
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Thanks you for making it that bit clearer.
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