969 From: Ute Reeves <nowyoga@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue May 17, 2005 3:17pm
Subject: Sambhavi Question nowyoga2001
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Hi friends,
I have a question concerning sambhavi. I can sense energy at the third eye
pretty much whenever I focus on it. During meditation, frequently my eyes
roll, probably up and in. It gets a little confusing because, like a
previous poster mentioned, the inner eyes and physical eyes are not
necessarily aiming in the same direction. If I get too analytical about it
I come out of meditation. What I have problems with is when I try to
consciously roll the eyes up during spinal breathing it feels very
laborious. How important is it to struggle with this? Is this part of the
bumpiness and it is good to "train" those eyeball muscles OR is trying to
consciously roll the eyes up only a tool to get us to feel the third eye
energy, which I already do?
Thanks,
Ute
970 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue May 17, 2005 3:58pm
Subject: Re: Sambhavi Question obsidian9999
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Hello Ute,
some thoughts.
Firstly, you aren't, are you, misunderstanding Sambhavi/spinal
breathing to mean the physical eyes going up and down during the
spinal breathing, right? You know that they are fixed, right?
Keeping them fixed will be less laborious than moving them.
In response to the question, I *would* keep to this practice with
the physical eyes. Keep in mind a few things --- firstly, you don't
have to push them up with great effort, just up, and secondly, if
you are finding some weakness or tiredness, your eyes will get
stronger and more used to it. Don't forget the (mild) furrowing
movement of the brow too. The coordination of the brow-furrowing and
the upward-looking eyes is important for sambhavi.
Did you read Lesson 131 yet? It deals specifically with, well, not
your issue exactly but a closely related issue on Sambhavi / spinal
breathing coordination. And how to handle the physical eyes being in
one direction but the attention elsewhere.
Regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ute Reeves <nowyoga@e...> wrote:
> Hi friends,
> I have a question concerning sambhavi. I can sense energy at the
third eye
> pretty much whenever I focus on it. During meditation, frequently
my eyes
> roll, probably up and in. It gets a little confusing because, like
a
> previous poster mentioned, the inner eyes and physical eyes are not
> necessarily aiming in the same direction. If I get too analytical
about it
> I come out of meditation. What I have problems with is when I try
to
> consciously roll the eyes up during spinal breathing it feels very
> laborious. How important is it to struggle with this? Is this part
of the
> bumpiness and it is good to "train" those eyeball muscles OR is
trying to
> consciously roll the eyes up only a tool to get us to feel the
third eye
> energy, which I already do?
> Thanks,
> Ute
971 From: Ute Reeves <nowyoga@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue May 17, 2005 10:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sambhavi Question nowyoga2001
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Thanks, David,
No, I'm not moving the eyes up and down in sambhavi and spinal breathing. I
just have a hard time keeping the eyes rolled up. That interferes then with
the experience of energy. It's sort of like putting on training wheels when
I can ride the two wheeler fine. If it is important, I'll train them
eyeballs, though :-)
Take care,
Ute
972 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu May 19, 2005 11:10am
Subject: Re: Sambhavi Question obsidian9999
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Hello Ute,
look on them as training wheels which eventually shrink and retract by
themselves.
It may be important to acknowledge that you may be right that it
is "interfering with the experience of energy" right now --- but it
won't in the long run --- it will only help.
I have made mistakes myself by making improper conclusions based on
short-term gains reached by modifying practices intuitively. So I
probably know the way you are thinking here.
I came to understand that with so many skills we learn (think of
sports), the instructions for good technique may actually slow us down
in the early days, though they help us in the long run. A direct
corrollary of that is that unhelpful modifications of the instructions
them may speed us up in the early days.
An analogy I mentioned before is an instructor telling you *not* to
look at your fingers as you type, or play the piano. You may think,
hey I'm trying looking at my fingers, and I'm going faster..... so
the instructor must not be right in my case.... But the truth is, if
you continue to look at your fingers you'll be slowed down enormously
in the long run, and sight-reading will be impossible.
Or a person may find that their 'intuitive' grip on a golf club works
better for them in the early days than the grip specified by the
instructor; but this will be true only for the early days.
At the same time, professional golfers will each grasp the club
slightly differently; but they determine their own best grip when they
are WAY beyond the clunky stage at the beginning.
So whay I am saying is, I suppose, that the clunky stage of a
particular practice which is new to you is not the time to try to make
little modifications of it (unless these modifications arise out of
necessity). Think about getting experimental when you are well into
it, and the training wheels have long evaporated.
Best regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ute Reeves <nowyoga@e...> wrote:
> Thanks, David,
>
> No, I'm not moving the eyes up and down in sambhavi and spinal
breathing. I
> just have a hard time keeping the eyes rolled up. That interferes
then with
> the experience of energy. It's sort of like putting on training
wheels when
> I can ride the two wheeler fine. If it is important, I'll train them
> eyeballs, though :-)
>
> Take care,
> Ute
973 From: Ute Reeves <nowyoga@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu May 19, 2005 3:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sambhavi Question nowyoga2001
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David,
You addressed exactly what I was wondering about. As a teacher, I
understand the concepts you explained so nicely very well. I was looking
for clarification to see if those concepts apply here, and you confirmed
it. Thanks again
"Look ma, no hands!!!!!!!"
oops, back to the training wheels,
Ute :-)
