886 From: "Danny" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 7:50am
Subject: Kechari Mudra mysticaldan
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Namaste All,
I am abt to start with kechari and would like to know that if i start
cutting the frenum then shud it be from the bottom or the top?? Lesson 108
does not mention that? Is it better to start snipping from where the tongue
joins the frenum from the tip or the root?
Any other suggestions?
Om Tat Sat
Dan
887 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 9:25am
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Hi Dan,
most people have what is called the 'frenal membrane' which is a
flattish vertical membrane attached to the tongue. Do you have one?
Not everyone does --- some peoples are small or missing --- and there
is far more to the frenum than just this.
If you have one, this is the place to start. This will be the most
forward part of the frenum when you stretch your tongue upwards, and
the most limiting for the tongue extension. I don't think it is so
critical where you start --- the whole frenal membrane will be removed
eventually. So I'd say start more or less in the middle of it.
Following Yogani's instructions, nick at a spot which is taut when you
stretch your tongue upwards.
Regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <danny@m...> wrote:
> Namaste All,
> I am abt to start with kechari and would like to know that if i start
> cutting the frenum then shud it be from the bottom or the top??
Lesson 108
> does not mention that? Is it better to start snipping from where the
tongue
> joins the frenum from the tip or the root?
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Om Tat Sat
>
> Dan
949 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari Mudra vic
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I thought that I might add some observations attemting
to tie all of this together (siddhasana, mula bandha,
kechari).
In my practice recently I have been working on
finding the right balance for siddhasana so that there
is NO binding in the pelvis. I believe that I have
found that and now have encountered a new phenomena. I
had been focusing on the openess of siddhasana and had
been bringing the breath into the pelvis during
pranayama practice. This has led my belly to drop and
soften and my ribs to soften and drop as well. Made me
look quite pear shaped after practice! So I at this
point attempted a more firm mula bandha to lift this
pear and it really changed the energy direction! The
first thing was that I got quite a bit of sexual
stimulation from doing the mula bandha so need to
learn to find a gentle balance here. The increased
mula bandha did definitely create a lift of the
abdomen making my ribs lift more and also increasing
the energy flow to kechari. So it seems to me that
mula bandha and kechari mudra are very intimately
linked. kechari without mula bandha is just a tongue
excercise but the pelvic lift is what moves the energy
from its source. I also feel that it is very important
to seperate the internal lift of mula bandha from any
neurological "noise" created by a stretch or grip in
the legs and hips from an imbalanced seat.
Any comments?
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
So it seems to me that
> mula bandha and kechari mudra are very intimately
> linked. kechari without mula bandha is just a tongue
> excercise but the pelvic lift is what moves the energy
> from its source.Hi Victor,
Hello Victor,
I definitely agree that mula bandha and kechari mudra are intimately
linked. In fact, I find mula bandha linked with an energy which
flows into my mouth and lower face in general. If I close my eyes
(and that is only for better attention), soften my lower face and
keep my eyes relaxed, and do a mula bandha, I can feel a subtle
energetic engagement inside my mouth and lower face. Do you feel the
same? It feels a little like inflow of blood (and maybe it is) and/or
maybe it's some neurological thing.
Kechari mudra though is no longer 'just a tongue exercise' for me
even
if I do it alone.
> I also feel that it is very important
> to seperate the internal lift of mula bandha from any
> neurological "noise" created by a stretch or grip in
> the legs and hips from an imbalanced seat.
> Any comments?
This sounds very right to me --- I have found that the balance of
the seat is very important for any of these energetic practices,
because an imbalanced seat tends to steal some of the attention, or
cause neurological noise as you say.
Regards,
-David
962 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun May 15, 2005 1:08am
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...> wrote:
If I close my eyes
> (and that is only for better attention), soften my lower face and
> keep my eyes relaxed, and do a mula bandha, I can feel a subtle
> energetic engagement inside my mouth and lower face. Do you feel the
> same? It feels a little like inflow of blood (and maybe it is) and/or
> maybe it's some neurological thing.
yes, the tip of the chin for me. But for me it's coming from the heart (sort of as an
intermediary), which itself responds powerfully to mulha bandha.
> > I also feel that it is very important
> > to seperate the internal lift of mula bandha from any
> > neurological "noise" created by a stretch or grip in
> > the legs and hips from an imbalanced seat.
> > Any comments?
>
> This sounds very right to me --- I have found that the balance of
> the seat is very important for any of these energetic practices,
> because an imbalanced seat tends to steal some of the attention, or
> cause neurological noise as you say.
Just a note to readers along...don't forget to alternate which leg you put atop which from
time to time (easiest, probably, to just switch morning/evening). Same reason; the
energetic pattern built up by one crossing needs to be balanced.
958 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun May 15, 2005 1:00am
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>>The first thing was that I got quite a bit of sexual stimulation from doing the mula
>>bandha so need to learn to find a gentle balance here
Hi Victor
But isn't the point of all this to cultivate the sexual energy, and to bring it upward?
J&K
891 From: "Danny" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Wed May 4, 2005 6:34am
Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra mysticaldan
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Namaste David,
Yes I do have the frenal membrane and i can see it like a curtain under my
tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched taut. Cant
see any point specefic where it stretches much. I can start to snip it from
the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center which i dont
know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching maximum at the
center. You are right that eventually the entire part has to be cut so it
doesnt matter anyway.
Has anyone had any other method of cutting it besides a cuticle snipper?
Ancient texts mention a sharp knife and then applying rock salt+sea salt to
it afterwards.
Om Tat Sat
Dan
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:25:02 -0000
> From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> most people have what is called the 'frenal membrane' which is a
> flattish vertical membrane attached to the tongue. Do you have one?
> Not everyone does --- some peoples are small or missing --- and there
> is far more to the frenum than just this.
>
> If you have one, this is the place to start. This will be the most
> forward part of the frenum when you stretch your tongue upwards, and
> the most limiting for the tongue extension. I don't think it is so
> critical where you start --- the whole frenal membrane will be removed
> eventually. So I'd say start more or less in the middle of it.
> Following Yogani's instructions, nick at a spot which is taut when you
> stretch your tongue upwards.
>
> Regards,
>
> -David
893 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed May 4, 2005 9:52am
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Hi Dan,
the idea for cutting it where it is most taut is just because that
point is probably most limiting for the stretch, so that when it is
broken, the tongue extends further. You get the picture? You know,
like if a dog were chained with short and long chains to a tree,
cutting the long ones would not allow him to get visibly further. We
can see which chains are most limiting by seeing which get most
taut. As you can see from this picture, cutting the tautest fibers
only delivers earlier return on your cutting investment
-- but it
does not change the eventual return.
You'll probably find the tautest part on the edge.
Regarding cutting instrument, I did use a sharp knife some years
ago, (a carpet-cutter actually) but I think the cuticle scissors is a
far better idea. If I had known of it at the time I would certainly
have used it instead. And I reckon the ancient yogis would have used
it too if they had them.
I think the purpose of the salt is to disinfect, and sometimes
turmeric was traditionally mixed with it which I think has the same
effect. But if you wash your mouth out well very afterwards even
with clean ordinary modern household water, and don't touch the cut
area for an hour or more afterwards, (so as to not reinfect
yourself) you probably won't need the salt. That was probably more
necessary in more ancient hygiene conditions. And of course, if you
want to disinfect more thoroughly, modern antisceptic mouthwash is a
more effective germ-killer than salt.
The more significant the snipping, the more careful I'd be about the
hygiene.
Best regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <danny@m...> wrote:
> Namaste David,
> Yes I do have the frenal membrane and i can see it like a curtain
under my
> tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched
taut. Cant
> see any point specefic where it stretches much. I can start to snip
it from
> the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center which
i dont
> know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching maximum
at the
> center. You are right that eventually the entire part has to be cut
so it
> doesnt matter anyway.
>
> Has anyone had any other method of cutting it besides a cuticle
snipper?
> Ancient texts mention a sharp knife and then applying rock salt+sea
salt to
> it afterwards.
>
> Om Tat Sat
> Dan
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:25:02 -0000
> > From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> > Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra
> >
> >
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > most people have what is called the 'frenal membrane' which is a
> > flattish vertical membrane attached to the tongue. Do you have
one?
> > Not everyone does --- some peoples are small or missing --- and
there
> > is far more to the frenum than just this.
> >
> > If you have one, this is the place to start. This will be the
most
> > forward part of the frenum when you stretch your tongue upwards,
and
> > the most limiting for the tongue extension. I don't think it is
so
> > critical where you start --- the whole frenal membrane will be
removed
> > eventually. So I'd say start more or less in the middle of it.
> > Following Yogani's instructions, nick at a spot which is taut
when you
> > stretch your tongue upwards.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -David
894 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed May 4, 2005 5:38pm
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> tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched taut.
Cant
> see any point specefic where it stretches much.
Hi Dan,
Yeah, if it's all pretty much equally taut, then it doesn't matter
much where you snip.
> I can start to snip it from
> the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center which i
dont
> know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching maximum
at the
> center.
I didn't actually quite know what you meant there. Now when you
say 'move your way towards the bottom' you mean over the months,
right? You aren't talking about doing a heavy-snipping now, are you?
Because if you are going to do a heavy-snipping, on the frenal membrane
like this you should continue inwards, like cutting paper, cutting
into what you have already cut. Cutting several snips down the line
won't tend to help as well, if at all because you'll tend to cut the
same fibers. Yogani has a lesson/correspondence about this.
If you are talking about moving down over the months, keep in mind that
a snipping does not leave any sort of 'gap' after it heals. After
about two weeks, your frenal membrane will look much like it does now,
but a teeny bit smaller.
So you continue applying the same formula --- snipping where it is
tautest, and if many areas are equally taut, they will all do equally.
Does that clarify anything? As I mentioned there are some parts of
your question that I don't think I got, so feel free to elaborate if
my answer so far did not help clarify.
Namaste,
-David
895 From: "Dan" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Thu May 5, 2005 1:03am
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Namaste,
I think i understand now. The idea is to cut along a straight line
much like a cloth as u mention. So i pick a spot maybe the center of
the frenum and cut along it. A small snip and then another small one
to extend it after a month or so, this wud make it equivalent like
cutting along a cloth only bit by bit. I dont mean to cut at
different places cause that wont make any difference. Its like
cutting a staight cloth at multiple places which solves nuthing while
if i am to divide the cloth then it has to be at one area and through
it.
Since ancient texts mention not to do aany heavy snipping i am not
gonna be doing that for sure. I am sure the idea is to make the
tongue loose and then stretch it using the Kechari so that the length
also increases.
I think i am gonna pick the center and snip someewhere along that
that line only and inwards so that i am cutting through the fibres
and not along them.
Dan
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
> > tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched
taut.
> Cant
> > see any point specefic where it stretches much.
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Yeah, if it's all pretty much equally taut, then it doesn't
matter
> much where you snip.
>
> > I can start to snip it from
> > the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center
which i
> dont
> > know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching
maximum
> at the
> > center.
>
> I didn't actually quite know what you meant there. Now when you
> say 'move your way towards the bottom' you mean over the months,
> right? You aren't talking about doing a heavy-snipping now, are
you?
> Because if you are going to do a heavy-snipping, on the frenal
membrane
> like this you should continue inwards, like cutting paper,
cutting
> into what you have already cut. Cutting several snips down the
line
> won't tend to help as well, if at all because you'll tend to cut
the
> same fibers. Yogani has a lesson/correspondence about this.
>
> If you are talking about moving down over the months, keep in mind
that
> a snipping does not leave any sort of 'gap' after it heals. After
> about two weeks, your frenal membrane will look much like it does
now,
> but a teeny bit smaller.
>
> So you continue applying the same formula --- snipping where it is
> tautest, and if many areas are equally taut, they will all do
equally.
>
> Does that clarify anything? As I mentioned there are some parts of
> your question that I don't think I got, so feel free to elaborate
if
> my answer so far did not help clarify.
>
> Namaste,
>
> -David
898 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu May 5, 2005 3:51am
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari Mudra vic
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exactly!
Dan <danny@metalhosts.com> wrote:Namaste,
I think i understand now. The idea is to cut along a straight line
much like a cloth as u mention. So i pick a spot maybe the center of
the frenum and cut along it. A small snip and then another small one
to extend it after a month or so, this wud make it equivalent like
cutting along a cloth only bit by bit. I dont mean to cut at
different places cause that wont make any difference. Its like
cutting a staight cloth at multiple places which solves nuthing while
if i am to divide the cloth then it has to be at one area and through
it.
Since ancient texts mention not to do aany heavy snipping i am not
gonna be doing that for sure. I am sure the idea is to make the
tongue loose and then stretch it using the Kechari so that the length
also increases.
I think i am gonna pick the center and snip someewhere along that
that line only and inwards so that i am cutting through the fibres
and not along them.
Dan
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
> > tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched
taut.
> Cant
> > see any point specefic where it stretches much.
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Yeah, if it's all pretty much equally taut, then it doesn't
matter
> much where you snip.
>
> > I can start to snip it from
> > the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center
which i
> dont
> > know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching
maximum
> at the
> > center.
>
> I didn't actually quite know what you meant there. Now when you
> say 'move your way towards the bottom' you mean over the months,
> right? You aren't talking about doing a heavy-snipping now, are
you?
> Because if you are going to do a heavy-snipping, on the frenal
membrane
> like this you should continue inwards, like cutting paper,
cutting
> into what you have already cut. Cutting several snips down the
line
> won't tend to help as well, if at all because you'll tend to cut
the
> same fibers. Yogani has a lesson/correspondence about this.
>
> If you are talking about moving down over the months, keep in mind
that
> a snipping does not leave any sort of 'gap' after it heals. After
> about two weeks, your frenal membrane will look much like it does
now,
> but a teeny bit smaller.
>
> So you continue applying the same formula --- snipping where it is
> tautest, and if many areas are equally taut, they will all do
equally.
>
> Does that clarify anything? As I mentioned there are some parts of
> your question that I don't think I got, so feel free to elaborate
if
> my answer so far did not help clarify.
>
> Namaste,
>
> -David
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900 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu May 5, 2005 9:59am
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Hi Dan,
I just wanted to reiterate this point, in case it was missed:
>>> keep in mind that
a snipping does not leave any sort of 'gap' after it heals. After
about two weeks (maybe more), your frenal membrane will look much
like it does now,
but a teeny bit smaller.
So, after the healing is complete, there won't be any useful concept
of 'snipping in the same place'. That one matters if you are going
to significantly-snip, one after the other on the same occasion.
The formula that Yogani mentions can be blindly followed on every new
occasion; just snip where it is tautest.
The ancient texts may not mention significantly snipping, but that
is often the practice, at least in the case of people under guidance
of a guru. Yogani, anyway, would advise in general to snip only
small amounts, because you will be safer for it.
Namaste,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
> exactly!
>
> Dan <danny@m...> wrote:Namaste,
> I think i understand now. The idea is to cut along a straight line
> much like a cloth as u mention. So i pick a spot maybe the center
of
> the frenum and cut along it. A small snip and then another small
one
> to extend it after a month or so, this wud make it equivalent like
> cutting along a cloth only bit by bit. I dont mean to cut at
> different places cause that wont make any difference. Its like
> cutting a staight cloth at multiple places which solves nuthing
while
> if i am to divide the cloth then it has to be at one area and
through
> it.
>
> Since ancient texts mention not to do aany heavy snipping i am not
> gonna be doing that for sure. I am sure the idea is to make the
> tongue loose and then stretch it using the Kechari so that the
length
> also increases.
>
> I think i am gonna pick the center and snip someewhere along that
> that line only and inwards so that i am cutting through the fibres
> and not along them.
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> > > tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched
> taut.
> > Cant
> > > see any point specefic where it stretches much.
> >
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > Yeah, if it's all pretty much equally taut, then it doesn't
> matter
> > much where you snip.
> >
> > > I can start to snip it from
> > > the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center
> which i
> > dont
> > > know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching
> maximum
> > at the
> > > center.
> >
> > I didn't actually quite know what you meant there. Now when you
> > say 'move your way towards the bottom' you mean over the months,
> > right? You aren't talking about doing a heavy-snipping now, are
> you?
> > Because if you are going to do a heavy-snipping, on the frenal
> membrane
> > like this you should continue inwards, like cutting paper,
> cutting
> > into what you have already cut. Cutting several snips down the
> line
> > won't tend to help as well, if at all because you'll tend to cut
> the
> > same fibers. Yogani has a lesson/correspondence about this.
> >
> > If you are talking about moving down over the months, keep in
mind
> that
> > a snipping does not leave any sort of 'gap' after it heals.
After
> > about two weeks, your frenal membrane will look much like it does
> now,
> > but a teeny bit smaller.
> >
> > So you continue applying the same formula --- snipping where it
is
> > tautest, and if many areas are equally taut, they will all do
> equally.
> >
> > Does that clarify anything? As I mentioned there are some parts
of
> > your question that I don't think I got, so feel free to
elaborate
> if
> > my answer so far did not help clarify.
> >
> > Namaste,
> >
> > -David
>
>
>
>
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897 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
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Yogani has made it clear that snipping in different places won't be helpful. I would choose a spot close to the middle where the frenum is most exposed and snip there. Always come back to the same spot to snip. The cuticle scissors are the best way, a sharp knife may be all that the ancients had but it can be messier. good luck and be careful!
obsidian9999 <obsidian9999@yahoo.com> wrote:> tongue. However if i pull my tongue backwards it gets stretched taut.
Cant
> see any point specefic where it stretches much.
Hi Dan,
Yeah, if it's all pretty much equally taut, then it doesn't matter
much where you snip.
> I can start to snip it from
> the top and move my way towards the bottom or from the center which i
dont
> know if its a good idea since the tongue shud be stretching maximum
at the
> center.
I didn't actually quite know what you meant there. Now when you
say 'move your way towards the bottom' you mean over the months,
right? You aren't talking about doing a heavy-snipping now, are you?
Because if you are going to do a heavy-snipping, on the frenal membrane
like this you should continue inwards, like cutting paper, cutting
into what you have already cut. Cutting several snips down the line
won't tend to help as well, if at all because you'll tend to cut the
same fibers. Yogani has a lesson/correspondence about this.
If you are talking about moving down over the months, keep in mind that
a snipping does not leave any sort of 'gap' after it heals. After
about two weeks, your frenal membrane will look much like it does now,
but a teeny bit smaller.
So you continue applying the same formula --- snipping where it is
tautest, and if many areas are equally taut, they will all do equally.
Does that clarify anything? As I mentioned there are some parts of
your question that I don't think I got, so feel free to elaborate if
my answer so far did not help clarify.
Namaste,
-David
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974 From: Simon Granville <simon_granville@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue May 24, 2005 2:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari Mudra simon_granville
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Yes sounds like you have it right or at least how I do it, lifting the stomach and contracting the spincter muscle while performing kechari is good. But one must be careful as the energy can be intensive so go slow. I do a couple other things in preparation but the chin lock is also good to do with these, See AYP forum for that one! Be sure to practice out of love for it and not for any reasons or mind talk, this creates pride and won't take you to the right place. However there is nothing to be done, or not done with or without the mind you are taken care of as is every creature every atom.
All the best!
victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
I thought that I might add some observations attemting
to tie all of this together (siddhasana, mula bandha,
kechari).
In my practice recently I have been working on
finding the right balance for siddhasana so that there
is NO binding in the pelvis. I believe that I have
found that and now have encountered a new phenomena. I
had been focusing on the openess of siddhasana and had
been bringing the breath into the pelvis during
pranayama practice. This has led my belly to drop and
soften and my ribs to soften and drop as well. Made me
look quite pear shaped after practice! So I at this
point attempted a more firm mula bandha to lift this
pear and it really changed the energy direction! The
first thing was that I got quite a bit of sexual
stimulation from doing the mula bandha so need to
learn to find a gentle balance here. The increased
mula bandha did definitely create a lift of the
abdomen making my ribs lift more and also increasing
the energy flow to kechari. So it seems to me that
mula bandha and kechari mudra are very intimately
linked. kechari without mula bandha is just a tongue
excercise but the pelvic lift is what moves the energy
from its source. I also feel that it is very important
to seperate the internal lift of mula bandha from any
neurological "noise" created by a stretch or grip in
the legs and hips from an imbalanced seat.
Any comments?
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975 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue May 24, 2005 6:42pm
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Sounds right. I also am working more with Shambhavi and the dynemic jalandhara which for me is much better energetically than the chin lock. The chin pump really helped open blocks in my neck that the chin lock couldn't touch. Just doing it because it feels like the right thing at the right time. Can't get any ego points out of it anyway as no one I know would really care.
Simon Granville <simon_granville@yahoo.com> wrote:Yes sounds like you have it right or at least how I do it, lifting the stomach and contracting the spincter muscle while performing kechari is good. But one must be careful as the energy can be intensive so go slow. I do a couple other things in preparation but the chin lock is also good to do with these, See AYP forum for that one! Be sure to practice out of love for it and not for any reasons or mind talk, this creates pride and won't take you to the right place. However there is nothing to be done, or not done with or without the mind you are taken care of as is every creature every atom.
All the best!
victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
I thought that I might add some observations attemting
to tie all of this together (siddhasana, mula bandha,
kechari).
In my practice recently I have been working on
finding the right balance for siddhasana so that there
is NO binding in the pelvis. I believe that I have
found that and now have encountered a new phenomena. I
had been focusing on the openess of siddhasana and had
been bringing the breath into the pelvis during
pranayama practice. This has led my belly to drop and
soften and my ribs to soften and drop as well. Made me
look quite pear shaped after practice! So I at this
point attempted a more firm mula bandha to lift this
pear and it really changed the energy direction! The
first thing was that I got quite a bit of sexual
stimulation from doing the mula bandha so need to
learn to find a gentle balance here. The increased
mula bandha did definitely create a lift of the
abdomen making my ribs lift more and also increasing
the energy flow to kechari. So it seems to me that
mula bandha and kechari mudra are very intimately
linked. kechari without mula bandha is just a tongue
excercise but the pelvic lift is what moves the energy
from its source. I also feel that it is very important
to seperate the internal lift of mula bandha from any
neurological "noise" created by a stretch or grip in
the legs and hips from an imbalanced seat.
Any comments?
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976 From: Simon Granville <simon_granville@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed May 25, 2005 11:41pm
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Yes the dynamic jalandhara chin lock is what I was
refurring to, yes it has good benifits. Have you
worked with targeted bastrika? If so let me know what
results and where you used it.
--- victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sounds right. I also am working more with Shambhavi
> and the dynemic jalandhara which for me is much
> better energetically than the chin lock. The chin
> pump really helped open blocks in my neck that the
> chin lock couldn't touch. Just doing it because it
> feels like the right thing at the right time. Can't
> get any ego points out of it anyway as no one I know
> would really care.
>
> Simon Granville <simon_granville@yahoo.com>
> wrote:Yes sounds like you have it right or at least
> how I do it, lifting the stomach and contracting the
> spincter muscle while performing kechari is good.
> But one must be careful as the energy can be
> intensive so go slow. I do a couple other things in
> preparation but the chin lock is also good to do
> with these, See AYP forum for that one! Be sure to
> practice out of love for it and not for any reasons
> or mind talk, this creates pride and won't take you
> to the right place. However there is nothing to be
> done, or not done with or without the mind you are
> taken care of as is every creature every atom.
> All the best!
>
> victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I thought that I might add some observations
> attemting
> to tie all of this together (siddhasana, mula
> bandha,
> kechari).
> In my practice recently I have been working on
> finding the right balance for siddhasana so that
> there
> is NO binding in the pelvis. I believe that I have
> found that and now have encountered a new phenomena.
> I
> had been focusing on the openess of siddhasana and
> had
> been bringing the breath into the pelvis during
> pranayama practice. This has led my belly to drop
> and
> soften and my ribs to soften and drop as well. Made
> me
> look quite pear shaped after practice! So I at this
> point attempted a more firm mula bandha to lift this
> pear and it really changed the energy direction! The
> first thing was that I got quite a bit of sexual
> stimulation from doing the mula bandha so need to
> learn to find a gentle balance here. The increased
> mula bandha did definitely create a lift of the
> abdomen making my ribs lift more and also increasing
> the energy flow to kechari. So it seems to me that
> mula bandha and kechari mudra are very intimately
> linked. kechari without mula bandha is just a tongue
> excercise but the pelvic lift is what moves the
> energy
> from its source. I also feel that it is very
> important
> to seperate the internal lift of mula bandha from
> any
> neurological "noise" created by a stretch or grip in
> the legs and hips from an imbalanced seat.
> Any comments?
>
