sadhak77
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Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 11:41:06 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
One thing you have to be careful with when it comes to teachers like Eckhart Tolle is: the illusion of attainment ("I have arrived."......
With respect, I think you also have to be careful with assumptions about a teacher when you aren't clear on where they're coming from and what they actually have to say on various topics and themselves.
As far as:
1) Illusion of attainment: A distinction is made between awakening which is the end of the false identification with mind/body/ego, and what may seem paradoxical which is an ongoing deepening, unfolding, opening, learning, experiencing, releasing. The difference post awakening being that whatever needs to unfold/evolve does so without the illusion of a "doer" at the wheel.
2) Mind/ego as villainous: I don't find this is the case on the whole with him. He simply doesn't hold punches on what they are and what needs to happen for true freedom. And it's not that mind/ego dies with awakening, although there are inevitably changes that take place. It is that the illusion that I am mind/ego is dissolved. They still remain and have their functions in the world, but they are no longer a problem in an absolute sense.
3) Using self-enquiry to maintain the distance: Self-inquiry is certainly one tool, but not the only one by any means. And while there is a sense of doing/maintaining in this unfolding process, it becomes effortless Being with awakening. It would not be true freedom after all, if it was a state which needed to be maintained by a me.
4) Miracle of life through {arts} vs cold detachment (my take on your words): Again you are assuming that freedom must look a certain way, and also that he is some cold detached, disembodied, uncreative person. I don't get that sense at all.
I think you have created a contrast/division here which doesn't exist in reality.
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Apkallu
France
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2) Mind/ego as villainous: I don't find this is the case on the whole with him. He simply doesn't hold punches on what they are and what needs to happen for true freedom. And it's not that mind/ego dies with awakening, although there are inevitably changes that take place. It is that the illusion that I am mind/ego is dissolved. They still remain and have their functions in the world, but they are no longer a problem in an absolute sense.
Exactly.
I must admit that I have been hearing a lot from him (a french radio named "Ici et Maintenant" or "Here and Now" if you prefer) and that I was not fond of him till I read his book "The Power of Now".
But whaou... it is enlightening a lot and helps me understanding the day-to-day effects/results of AYP.
I have not observed overloading but just began to look in me more seriously during the day.
But it seems I had already gained significant inner silence as I may experience numerous and long periods with no thoughts (which is kind of creepy for me as I have always been a mentally hyperactive person).
Well just to say it is good to read from my perspective even though you practice AYP.
However, as Yogani already said if I remember well, I also doubt this to be effective for most people with no yoga or similar practice at all.
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So-Hi
USA
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Posted - Jan 07 2016 : 10:24:43 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi I find myself wondering just what is the point of discussing this individual in the first place?
From what I have read so far he is a personality some find of interest but what good comes of buying books other than to fatten his wallet?
Seriously does he instruct on anything at all or is he just another talking head?
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 07 2016 : 5:20:01 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
so hi have you really listened to eckhart
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So-Hi
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Hi Kumar because you asked listening on utube right now.
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Bodhi Tree
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Here's a direct quote from Tolle's writing on Oprah's website (
http://www.oprah.com/oprahs-lifeclass/Eckhart-Tolle-on-How-to-Free-Yourself-from-Your-Ego-Armor)
"For example, when you're in a long line at the supermarket, your mind might start complaining how slow the checkout person is, how he should be doing this or doing that, or he failed to do anything at all?including packing the bag of the person ahead of you correctly. When this happens, the ego has you in its grip."
So, there's a classic example of spinning "the ego" as a villain. If something can get you in "its grip", it surely is not a friend. If a real-life person came out of the shadows and gripped me around the neck with insidious intent, that person would be a threat to me, i.e. a villain.
Here's more from the same essay:
"Awareness is the beginning of becoming free of the ego because then you realize that your thoughts?and the negative emotions they produce?are dysfunctional and unnecessary."
That statement is simply untrue. What happens is that pure bliss consciousness (awareness) illuminates BOTH the ego and thoughts from within. Therefore, the inner voice of the ego becomes more aligned with divine love, unity, wisdom, and so forth. Also, negative emotions can be directed to THE ISHTA with positive results. So, negative emotions can be of good use, believe it or not.
When we practice samyama, we use the ego voice on a very subtle level...releasing sutras into silence. If not the ego voice of one's individual personality, then whose? An alien entity that has taken over your body?--Yikes!
It must be the ego (the inner voice) that cultivates divine love. The ego is the vehicle of enlightenment. The ego is a friend. The ego is not out to get you.
More from the same Tolle essay:
"...the ego doesn't want to change."
That statement is also blatantly untrue. The ego does exactly what we want it to do. The ego is a perfect product of conditioning. If we condition the ego to embrace change, the ego will shout with joy when change comes along. That's the way it works.
With AYP, we just amend and improve the conditioning by first going into silence, then by moving outward from silence, with better programming and purpose in place (like the samyama sutras).
[I post this with all due respect to Tolle and those who enjoy his writings. I am merely providing direct quotations here to show that I'm not pulling my observations and conclusions out of thin air.]
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So-Hi
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Posted - Jan 07 2016 : 9:56:58 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Kumar and everyone I am listening to this guy and honestly all I am hearing is common sense that anyone should already know. He is another one that speaks in a dulcet voice or what I call a drugged voice.
What is this voice act anyway is it something rehearsed by these so called new age wise men to get people to listen carefully to their drivel?
When Yogani speaks he does so as a normal person not with a pretend voice it is one of the things that got my attention right up front and made me think thank goodness someone genuine at last not putting on the dog.
As of now I support what Bodhi has said 110% but I do not do it with respect as so far I have not seen or heard anything to be respectful of.
I have also read some excerpts of his books from Amazon and am really just not impressed.
When I hear Yogani speak I am impressed. When reading Yogani's writings I am impressed.
When reading Christi and his replies I am often taken aback by his deep insight.
When reading what Bodhi writes I often think he is a younger version of myself and far more passionate a person that expresses his truth just as he sees it and respect him for that.
When reading what Kumar writes I think what a great heart.
When reading what Sunyata and others write I think how sincere how naked and boldly upfront, and refreshing, when reading what Charlie dog writes I think your grasp of English is so good because you really work at it and what a deep understanding this person has.
There are more sorry if I missed names but compared to these people this guy is a wet dish rag.
It seems his whole schtick revolves around mind dramas, scenarios and not much of anything else anyone with a shred of inner silence from Deep Meditation already knows all of this and far, far more.
Because of Kumar I will listen more but not to very much more.
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kumar ul islam
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Posted - Jan 08 2016 : 04:35:18 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
eckhart i am sure has taken many to to the shore of the soul ,i myself have visited this shore many times in my life,leaving the shore is the hardest part knowing you need to leave behind all who taken you to its edge ,from eckhart tolle ,leo tolstoy,gandi ,and many others ,in this regard you also leave behind the sense of seperation you have ,the prejudices the loves and hates and anger .i think i have left the shore but returning at times to put my feet on dry land and once again departing with the ferryman talking with him, slowly being taken across to the other side and like siddhartha trying to listen to what the river is telling me the more i listen there is one word that repeats and its love ,i love eckhart he is neither right or wrong i would listen to him like i listen to any other human being we all have our narrartive ,some with more words some less but all as worthy of our ear without casting judement from our point of separation from them .love and blessings to all on this january morning in the year 2016
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Charliedog
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Kumar
There are many teachers, not one, for everyone there is a teacher, with words that resonate at that moment.....
In stead of comparing teachers and judge them by our own perspectives we can let our Light Shine....
and be happy that Eckhart Tolle brings Love & Light in the life of many.
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Apkallu
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Posted - Jan 08 2016 : 06:55:15 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi,
With all due respect, I am not sure you actually read any of his books (while myself I have read only one half of the Power of Now till then ).
Of course, one could extract a sentence and say what is wrong in it by lack of contextualization.
As I said, I had the same bad feeling when hearing him and told myself at these occasions that he was a fake or a sort of new age guru.
Whatever.
My understanding of his teachings is that what he designates as the ego is the bad side of the mind. He's not saying the mind is bad but that we shall not let it prevail over our true nature.
The presence/Being shall prevail and thus guide our mind in a positive manner.
He also explains that the transformation process is fed by bad emotions/thoughts (so they are somehow valuable) that arise apart from the Source/Being/TrueSelf whatever you name it.
I am pretty aware not being that far on the Path than most of you but still my impression is that it is more valuable than common sense.
Because if it is common sense to you, it is not to 99% of the people I know and that common sense could be greatly useful to those.
Finally, had I to choose between AYP or Eckhart Tolle, I would of course choose Yogani (well, you know why) but the latter is worth reading as many others I am sure.
Edited by - Apkallu on Jan 08 2016 07:16:47 AM
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So-Hi
USA
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Posted - Jan 08 2016 : 09:57:42 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Good morning all.
quote:
Because if it is common sense to you, it is not to 99% of the people I know and that common sense could be greatly useful to those.
I suppose this could be true but being stuck with what is common sense to me it is difficult to be sure what is not common sense to others, impossible in fact.
This does raise a good point though. How does all this talking and book writing ever get one to a true understanding of what this person is describing if it is not already known?
To me this is where all these talkers fall flat on their faces.
Why? because you have to have the understanding before you can really understand and take my somewhat are you kidding me type position and that only comes form two places as far as I know.
Place 1. Living.
Place 2. Sadhana which automatically gets you there as a byproduct.
As far as I know only these two places will make things like this person discusses common, as in common sense.
So I have answered my question but not quite.
After writing these words it would seem these folks can be inspirational or perhaps get people to think about possibilities and this could lead people to want to do something about it and maybe find a Sadhana path like AYP.
Another possible outcome could be that people just decide to do nothing in this case they will have to live in order to understand, whereas they could have been practicing AYP and having a better life.
Yes all will get there and beyond what I know or even can consider at this juncture but why not do it in this lifetime?
Speakers and book writers like this can not get my vote, good for them that they have these understandings and live from the place they are expressing but unless you include a road map and ways and means for others to arrive as you have, then there just is not much value beyond getting people to consider possibilities un-thought of or perhaps to get those who are already close, at the same level or beyond to think oh yeah, um hmmm, yep he gets it but where is the help for those that do not?
Perhaps there express purpose is not to be of assistance to anyone because they do not on the the grand scale of things see any assistance to anyone being needed or even possible but just to unload there own pent up pressures and further confirm to themselves on the stage of agreement with themselves and others that they do indeed know by repeating what they feel inside? and earn a buck while doing so, in which case no further discussion is warranted.
How is this helpful to the ones seeking ways and means of skillful living and the answer is they are not; as these people seem not to remember or it is unknown to them, or even worse with some of these people Sadhana is considered un-needed.
I say worse because from there point of view it may be true that Spiritual Practices are not needed but they have managed to gather seekers and the punch line ends in a very bad joke.
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Truth Seeker
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Dear So-Hi
I don't know if you have a copy of the Power of Now, his first. Read pages 1-3 of the introduction only,, thats all, the rawness of his experience, before all the fame etc. To me it has always been one of the most beautiful things i have ever read. And confirmed for me, experiences which i had and never understood..
Love
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So-Hi
USA
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Amazon previews do not cover that many pages and since I have made so much out of this with my posts it is only fare to buy the book and discuss this more so purchasing a Kindle version now and will read and then review some more.
The only reason I am doing this is because there are so many loving nice people here on AYP concerning this person and this particular book.
Besides that I can still be wrong and maybe this will pay back whatever inadvertent damage this does to his sales if only a little bit.
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Originally posted by Truth Seeker
Dear So-Hi
I don't know if you have a copy of the Power of Now, his first. Read pages 1-3 of the introduction only,, thats all, the rawness of his experience, before all the fame etc. To me it has always been one of the most beautiful things i have ever read. And confirmed for me, experiences which i had and never understood..
Love
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Omsat
Belgium
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Posted - Jan 08 2016 : 1:49:14 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
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Originally posted by kumar ul islam
eckhart i am sure has taken many to to the shore of the soul ,i myself have visited this shore many times in my life,leaving the shore is the hardest part knowing you need to leave behind all who taken you to its edge ,from eckhart tolle ,leo tolstoy,gandi ,and many others ,in this regard you also leave behind the sense of seperation you have ,the prejudices the loves and hates and anger .i think i have left the shore but returning at times to put my feet on dry land and once again departing with the ferryman talking with him, slowly being taken across to the other side and like siddhartha trying to listen to what the river is telling me the more i listen there is one word that repeats and its love ,i love eckhart he is neither right or wrong i would listen to him like i listen to any other human being we all have our narrartive ,some with more words some less but all as worthy of our ear without casting judement from our point of separation from them .love and blessings to all on this january morning in the year 2016
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Omsat
Belgium
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Posted - Jan 08 2016 : 2:06:24 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
So Hi..
Some teachers convey through many words.
Some teachers convey without any utterance at all.
Some teachers sometimes convey through words, sometimes through silence, sometimes through countless other ways. It depends on the audience as well as their talent and inclination for types of transmission channels. Some transmissions work well for some and not as well for others. Just as one husband may be perfect for his wife but not just as suitable for his neighbour woman.
There is more than one type of plugs. So also more than one type of sockets. One type fits well with its match and not with the other one. Unless one has an adaptor and can plug onto different sockets. Human beings may develop adaptor capacity through understanding, flexibility, empathy, compassion, receptivity etc.
Let us not fall into the limiting belief that what doesn't work for one will also not work for another. Each being true to oneself gives rise to the diversity and richness of life.
The display or not of the word is not the key factor in the transmission power of a teacher. Their presence, beingness has all the potentiality of electricity into it.
Certain types of practices have their place.
Meetings with talk that appeases the mind also, if it needs appeasing. Some duller mind finds appeasement through aliveness in sharings also Restoring balance works from either side, depending on where we find ourselves.
Did you ever experience? After engaging completely, intensely, lengthily, which silence may occur so quietly..
It is no co-incidence some do well with a yin approach and others better with a yang approach. And some choose the approach they already have in excess within, bringing themselves even more out of balance. Here, your objections have a certain brightness into them. However, even here, transformation may happen and will be visible more strongly as the pull back occurs full force.
Living.. Yes..
We are talking now.. And living..
The larger the audience at reach, the larger the toolbox may be.
Styles and possibilities are a great vast countless.
PS: If I may make a joke..
It is not so difficult to see how the less talkative teacher may work better for you
There's a lot of silence in Eckhart's words. You may feel it when reading your newly purchased book. Let's pray he will spend your money well
Edited by - Omsat on Jan 08 2016 3:17:42 PM
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So-Hi
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Posted - Jan 10 2016 : 11:13:29 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Lol yes hope he spends it well as well. I am going to review the book in more detail on the books section of this site.
Just because a person has had an opening does not really make them a Guru or a teacher nor moral, nor truthful, nor does it make them worthy of adoration or undue respect in fact openings can create very shady and dangerous characters as they may abandon the very precepts of Yama and Niyama in favor of rationalization and situational ethics if they do not already have a stable grounded foundation.
I have seen this first hand and it is frightening the depths of corruption these peoples minds can become entangled with and worse yet they corrupt and cajole those around them as well.
History has recorded the deeds of people who had openings yet became corrupt I believe Adolph Hitler may very well have been a very, very extreme example of such a person as I have spoken to people who were present to hear him speak in person and more than one and all will tell you the same thing.
He was the most charismatic person they had ever met.
When I look at the history footage I see a barking mad raving animal with a deplorable presence and a hideous countenance and a message that was laughable to hear.
Yet people who were there tell you they are equally mystified what it was about him in person that was so appealing as later seeing the same footage they do not even recognize him as the same person.
They will tell you people loved him and hung on his every word and that they themselves were no different at the time.
Yes I have known many very old people, former Nazi's but not war criminals just people who were alive at the time and forced to serve their country but unlike the Unites States when we have a Military Draft they were threatened and told their families would be killed if they did not serve the Reich.
These people are now now in their 90's and I have known many more former victims of the Nazis' who survived the death camps mostly in my early and mid childhood and their loving treatment of me as a child will always shine in my mind as the most kind of people the world has ever presented me with.
Within the first few pages of this book there are seriously dangerous control statements made by the author concerning anyone who may disagree with his words, one would be wise to pay attention to them as they say much about the author.
More on that later. Keep an eye out if there is an interest.
Will begin that thread soon.
Holy
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Hi at all,
just to add the missing information in this thread, Eckhart's Instruction aka Sadhana is:
"Feel the energy of the body and keep this up in parallel to everything you do."
Simple instruction, but the result is bliss to death.
Had relearned the same instruction as a meditation technique from Maitreya Ishwara many years ago, practiced it for 9 months. Had reported about that many many times in threads here too. After two weeks, the witness becomes 24/7, after 1-2 months the bliss becomes overwhelming and the body is incapable of moving, no mind and no breath start to increase. To not be put into the crazy house by my mother and to be able to finish the studies, had to stop the practice after about 9 months. The degree, refinement and continuity of bliss has never been reached since then. It is a good approach for the retirement days, if no continued physically active life-style is aimed at.
The guy is good, but you can see from his body-mind, that many good qualities of the yogis do not express. Still when it comes to presence and bliss, Eckhart is very nice. When it comes to all the other words he say, do not remember much of them. Back then the practical instructions where the only important points.
Peace and happy practice friends
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jonesboy
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That is how i encourage people to work with emotional upsets.
It is all energy, residing in the energy of the upset in the body stops the mind story and integrates the energy.
Very powerful stuff.
Thank you for sharing Holy.
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Bodhi Tree
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Holy's post perfectly reveals the importance of gradual progress. With daily practice, we slowly but surely sift through the obstructions and reveal the power underneath. The more there is a constant stream of awareness persisting through the undoing, the more fluid and versatile our being becomes. It's not a matter of switching from ego to no ego, or from not awake to awake. It's more like notching up the amplitude of radiance in incremental degrees, while simultaneously tuning down the friction that is blocking silence. Small adjustments, you know.
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So-Hi
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Where is this stated a quick web search did not find this.
Thanks.
What I did find was
http://communicate.eckharttolle.com/news/2015/01/21/meditation-going-deeply-into-the-body/On another note what you are describing is how I have always existed does not everyone?
Does not everyone feel the energy body in parallel with everything we do anyway?
It almost seems like with your experience you were fixating upon the resonance of the energy body placing it in the foreground and by doing so inadvertently stepping it up to a stronger expression culminating in excess bliss.
What Bodhi shares is very practical and a much more sustainable approach to increasing ones capacity to entertain ongoing bliss in the nervous system; after all if we follow the ways to become incapacitated of what use are they in the first place at all?.
If we follow the skillful ways and means Bodhi is talking about we automatically arrive and are functional within the bliss.
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Originally posted by Holy
Hi at all,
just to add the missing information in this thread, Eckhart's Instruction aka Sadhana is:
"Feel the energy of the body and keep this up in parallel to everything you do."
Simple instruction, but the result is bliss to death.
Had relearned the same instruction as a meditation technique from Maitreya Ishwara many years ago, practiced it for 9 months. Had reported about that many many times in threads here too. After two weeks, the witness becomes 24/7, after 1-2 months the bliss becomes overwhelming and the body is incapable of moving, no mind and no breath start to increase. To not be put into the crazy house by my mother and to be able to finish the studies, had to stop the practice after about 9 months. The degree, refinement and continuity of bliss has never been reached since then. It is a good approach for the retirement days, if no continued physically active life-style is aimed at.
The guy is good, but you can see from his body-mind, that many good qualities of the yogis do not express. Still when it comes to presence and bliss, Eckhart is very nice. When it comes to all the other words he say, do not remember much of them. Back then the practical instructions where the only important points.
Peace and happy practice friends
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lalow33
USA
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Hi So-Hi,
I have not always noticed the energy body. I've been more of an observer that wasn't actually in the body( if that makes any sense).
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So-Hi
USA
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Hi Lalow33 that makes perfect sense. Have your practices become energetic yet?
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Originally posted by lalow33
Hi So-Hi,
I have not always noticed the energy body. I've been more of an observer that wasn't actually in the body( if that makes any sense).
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Holy
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@Jonesboy, you are welcome
@Bodhi
gradual adaptation of the body-mind is essential for balance, am fully with you in this
. Not all people require balance at all times and for those with intense desire to melt into presence, the practice is still very potent and a good source to be aware of. It did not work for me (for which I was extremely sad, really
), but no problem, body-mind transformation by the balanced route is fine too (=
@So-Hi
you have found a variant, that I hadn't seen, but yes exactly that one. The same more refined can be found here:
http://www.innerpeacenow.com/Inner-Body.htmlMaitreya Ishwara has an even more refined and advanced version of it.
http://www.aypsite.com/forumLoved it, really, but when it does not work for you, what can you do. It may work well for intensly grounded and insensitive body-minds or with good dosing aka self pacing. But it is harder to dose the inner energy body practice than other variants of practices, like mantra or pranayama based ones. Because after some time the inner feeling continues and without choice awareness increases and makes you melt into bliss and ever more bliss.
Crown-chakra focused approaches are also much more stable and dosable to my experience than feeling the energy field of the body. This one is like a trap, once having tasted of the unending continuous access to eternal bliss paradise, you cannot stop loving it
Then the unwanted body-mind problems may arise (depending on the sensitivity).
To my observation people are unaware of their inner body energy, most cannot feel it alltogether and need quite some time to feel something. Those who are into practices or are more sensitive can feel it very easily, but may not do so consciously moment to moment, but perhaps from time to time within the day.
Eckhart has other instructions too, all with the aim to come back to eternal now. Haven't met him physically or any of his students, but there is no doubt about his genuinity here.
Happy practice friends
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So-Hi
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Posted - Jan 13 2016 : 09:59:16 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Holy concerning Tolle the more of his stuff I read the more I am certain he does come from a place of knowing but not so certain he can be of any benefit to anyone else in a real way beyond convincing people he is coming from a place of wisdom and knowledge.
At some point the rubber needs to meet the road and I am not so certain this Tolle person has the tools others may need.
The works of Yogani in this respect are far more functional from what I have read so far in that book.
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lalow33
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Hi So-Hi,
I've been able to at least feel the energy body occasionally since about 2009, prior to AYP. It started with a warmth like the feeling of love, then "happy" bubbles going up my back. Then 3rd eye awakening and lots and lots. I've been vibrating for at least 2 years with lots of other experiences.
I've had dreams since childhood on and off that come true, so I tend to see everyone having this ability. Kind of like your energy body statement. " Well, of course you can see the future."
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So-Hi
USA
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Sounds like you are doing fantastic.
These things like you experience and I experience are as you say everyone can and if they have not yet will experience one day.
We just figured them out first is all but everyone learns how to tie their shoes eventually and when they do the side effects are no more special than the shoes staying on while you walk and run.
As far as seeing the future only by living the day that came before it but there are memories of other places and other times persistent since earliest childhood when not much living of this life had happened. So whatever they are they are.
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Hi So-Hi,
I've been able to at least feel the energy body occasionally since about 2009, prior to AYP. It started with a warmth like the feeling of love, then "happy" bubbles going up my back. Then 3rd eye awakening and lots and lots. I've been vibrating for at least 2 years with lots of other experiences.
I've had dreams since childhood on and off that come true, so I tend to see everyone having this ability. Kind of like your energy body statement. " Well, of course you can see the future."
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Yogiswara S
USA
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Posted - Jan 29 2016 : 01:49:37 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
After 24 years of practice I have concluded that
in general we need to read less, watch fewer videos and listen to fewer lectures
in general we need to practice more
in general we need to seek out information only when we need answers to questions that have arisen from practice
as teachers we need teach only that which has arisen from practice
knowledge that is derived from external sources is only helpful if it supports understanding that arises from practice. too much information, too many viewpoints on practice and too much looking outside of ourselves at others who are "masters" is a common set of OBSTACLES.
Less is more.
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Good morning all.
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Because if it is common sense to you, it is not to 99% of the people I know and that common sense could be greatly useful to those.
I suppose this could be true but being stuck with what is common sense to me it is difficult to be sure what is not common sense to others, impossible in fact.
This does raise a good point though. How does all this talking and book writing ever get one to a true understanding of what this person is describing if it is not already known?
To me this is where all these talkers fall flat on their faces.
Why? because you have to have the understanding before you can really understand and take my somewhat are you kidding me type position and that only comes form two places as far as I know.
Place 1. Living.
Place 2. Sadhana which automatically gets you there as a byproduct.
As far as I know only these two places will make things like this person discusses common, as in common sense.
So I have answered my question but not quite.
After writing these words it would seem these folks can be inspirational or perhaps get people to think about possibilities and this could lead people to want to do something about it and maybe find a Sadhana path like AYP.
Another possible outcome could be that people just decide to do nothing in this case they will have to live in order to understand, whereas they could have been practicing AYP and having a better life.
Yes all will get there and beyond what I know or even can consider at this juncture but why not do it in this lifetime?
Speakers and book writers like this can not get my vote, good for them that they have these understandings and live from the place they are expressing but unless you include a road map and ways and means for others to arrive as you have, then there just is not much value beyond getting people to consider possibilities un-thought of or perhaps to get those who are already close, at the same level or beyond to think oh yeah, um hmmm, yep he gets it but where is the help for those that do not?
Perhaps there express purpose is not to be of assistance to anyone because they do not on the the grand scale of things see any assistance to anyone being needed or even possible but just to unload there own pent up pressures and further confirm to themselves on the stage of agreement with themselves and others that they do indeed know by repeating what they feel inside? and earn a buck while doing so, in which case no further discussion is warranted.
How is this helpful to the ones seeking ways and means of skillful living and the answer is they are not; as these people seem not to remember or it is unknown to them, or even worse with some of these people Sadhana is considered un-needed.
I say worse because from there point of view it may be true that Spiritual Practices are not needed but they have managed to gather seekers and the punch line ends in a very bad joke.
Edited by - Yogiswara S on Jan 29 2016 01:54:59 AM
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snake
United Kingdom
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Posted - Oct 11 2017 : 10:16:06 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
so true
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fmyoga
Germany
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I just read Eckharts Book "Power of now" and was really drawn to his teachings. I still find myself being identified with thoughts and when practicing some kind of self mindfulness being present in the moment I feel it to be a really good thing complementing my AYP practice. Is it problematic to follow Eckharts teachings as Self Inquiry together with AYP?
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 25 2018 : 04:25:18 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
HI fmyoga
I also found Eckhart Tolle an inspiring writer and teacher.
However, there is a conflict between your AYP practice and striving for mindfulness throughout the day. Not only that you would double up and run the risk of overload, but AYP recommends that you go and live your life in the world between the to sitting session of each day. It is necessary for integrating the results of your AYP practice into day to day living.
It is true that there will naturally be more mindfulness throughout the day as a result of your practice, but we do not set ourselves the goal of doing mindfulness as a practice.
Having said that, "The Power of Now" is good complementary reading to AYP's self-enquiry lessons. If that book speaks to you, then you are probably getting ripe for self-enquiry.
Enjoy your practice
