'manifesting" - am i doing it wrong?

[Radharani]

quote:Originally posted by Etherfish

Yes, samyama is more effective for several reasons:

1) When you concentrate on a specific visualization, you limit what God can manifest, as you found with spending time with your horse. And God comes up with way better stuff than we do.

2) We are often limited financially by part of our minds that doesn't believe we deserve it. It doesn't matter which reason caused it, and there are many. If a small part of your mind doesn't believe it, all the affirmations and visualizations in the world won't make it manifest; in fact it creates an inner conflict.

3) You have to be emotionally detached to manifest anything. You have to be completely at ease with the opposite thing manifesting. That is why I was saying you can't manifest money when you need it badly. You have to get to the place where you want it, but don't care at all either way.

This is so easy to solve with samyama, because you don't even say money, you say something like "abundance",
and there is no inner struggle with that concept because it is very general and benign.

Be sure that you never use negative words in visualization or samyama because the subconscious mind does not understand them. If you try to visualize "stop the violence", your subconscious hears "violence". It is like a child and can't comprehend "not something" without thinking about that something.

Thanks, Etherfish, that is helpful and I agree with you about the limitations of "manifesting" versus samyama.

re: #3, I AM emotionally detached.  In fact, as I said, I've had to MAKE myself care in order to even undertake the "manifesting" exercise, and wondered whether maybe the reason it didn't work was because I did not care ENOUGH.  It's not so much that I "want" money, as I must acknowledge the "need" for money as a real-life necessity.  My whole life I've said "money is not important" and now maybe I am reaping the consequences of that attitude...  I do like your suggestion of using the word "abundance" in samyama.

[cosmic]

quote:Originally posted by Radharani

At this point I'm inclined to give up on the whole "manifesting" thing and just continue to trust that everything will work out.

That's the key to manifesting, isn't it?

<3

[Radharani]

quote:Originally posted by cosmic

quote:Originally posted by Radharani

At this point I'm inclined to give up on the whole "manifesting" thing and just continue to trust that everything will work out.

That's the key to manifesting, isn't it?

<3

Not according to the definition that is being promoted by my friend and others! They advocate a very active, intentional, willful involvement in making things happen according to your desires.  But I think I'd rather just leave it in God's hands.

[karl]

quote:Originally posted by Radharani

quote:Originally posted by cosmic

quote:Originally posted by Radharani

At this point I'm inclined to give up on the whole "manifesting" thing and just continue to trust that everything will work out.

That's the key to manifesting, isn't it?

<3

Not according to the definition that is being promoted by my friend and others! They advocate a very active, intentional, willful involvement in making things happen according to your desires.  But I think I'd rather just leave it in God's hands.

Yes, that is NLP.

There are a number of things that need completing if you want to follow the route ( and personally I think this is the wrong route with the right intention, it's like building a spaceship from cardboard. It looks the part but won't fly ).

1 . Remove all negative emotions go anger, guilt, sadness! Hurt, fear by Time Line Therapy. An example here:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkIqtDBzkhs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

2. Remove all limiting beliefs: a limiting belief is where you would like something ie money, but think something like "money is the root of all evil" or you think you should own a Ferrari, but think only drug dealers drive Ferraris.

This is also handled by TLT ( although this is far more involved than the clip shown ).

3. Next it is necessary to access your core values through a question and answer session, then to ordinate your answers. Usually you have 5 or 6 core values arranged in priority. If money isn't amongst them, or is a low priority then it gets moved up to 2nd place and then you are shown how money can help support your other values. So, for instance if charity/ giving is a high value, see how, if you had more money you could be more effective at supporting others.
 
4. Now we set the goal up and ask a number of specific questions to make sure it's the right goal: what will you get when you have it, what will you lose when you have it, what wont you get if you have it, what won't you get if you don't have it. Can you act as if you already have it, do you know anyone else who has achieved it.


5.Then it's time to punch the goal into shape by using the SMART acronym. In NLP we add a few more strands to make it doubly effective. For instance the s stands for simple and also for self only ( no one else can be relied on to achieve the goal ), A stands for achievable and acting as if you already had it.

6. Next comes visualisation of what the goal will look like when it's achieved. This is induced in light trance....when you go deeply into a visualisation it is lightly hypnotic. The visualisation has to be very strong and you must be viewing the scene through your own eyes. Colours, smells, sound, what the weather is doing, the carpets on the floor, everything in vivid detail.

7. Once that is completed you need to dissociate from the picture, and it now becomes a memory which will now be inserted in your time line at that specific future date.

Does it work ? Yes it does, but not always in the way you imagine. It worked for me, or at least it is now working for me. The goals I set out 4 years ago are slowly being achieved. But and it's a big but, to get those goals you often need to sacrifice, for instance you might become a millionaire, but in the process you sacrifice you house, living standards for several years.

It's also necessary to "take action" it's not a wish system. That's part of the goal setting. I have skipped a lot.

Now, to do this properly you need to find and pay an NLP coach. That preach is supported by many books, such as the richest man in Babylon and the instant millionaire. You have to pay to get. It's the equivalent of the "cross my palms with silver".

Now here is the strange thing. I have moved closer to the goal I set. Already it is over two years late ( although in NLP parlance it's quite OK for this to be the case, but that pretty much covers any failure as being either time dependent or not setting up the right goal). However, I don't know if AYP has been part of this move towards the goal. You see, the goal was so specific it included the health of mindset of both my wife and myself at the time. So, maybe part of the preparation is to meditate.

The thing with goals is that you have to make the entire universe line up to achieve them. When you get close to achieving them. Then your goal might well have no place anymore.

[jeff]

Hi Radharani,

Manifesting is done from silence. If you can feel the energy form around the intent, then just continue to "watch it" for a little while. That will give it a small push.

Visualization technichiques are products of the mind. The more mind activity, the harder it is to "stay in" silence. Mind/ego do not have the ability to manifest in silence.

Love.

[karl]

quote:Originally posted by jeff

Hi Radharani,

Manifesting is done from silence. If you can feel the energy form around the intent, then just continue to "watch it" for a little while. That will give it a small push.

Visualization technichiques are products of the mind. The more mind activity, the harder it is to "stay in" silence. Mind/ego do not have the ability to manifest in silence.

Love.

Yes, I have never manifested from silence as a goal. Although I practice Samyama, each sutra is just universal. If there is something occurring then it is, it's not noticeable externally.

[Radharani]

Oh, you are going to love this!  God is so good.  Yesterday while walking over to the house to show it to a prospective renter, I was talking to the Lord about this whole "manifesting" business: "Screw it, You know I only want You anyway.  I'm not going to waste my energy trying to make sh*t happen anymore, You can do whatever You want."  The renter and her daughter LOVED the house so much, they want to rent it for 6 months and then BUY it!  (She has a house that is currently being sold and then she will have the money to buy my house.)  The daughter, although young, is quite an accomplished horse rider and has competed in high jumping and dressage.  She immediately hit it off with my horse Angel and is going to be helping me give her attention, groom her, ride her, etc.  When I move to the beach she can take care of Angel for me so I won't have to sell her!  So if all goes as planned we should be able to get the new home/yoga studio at the beach by Christmas.  I will be able to keep the part of the land that has Angel's barn, my father's workshop and RV, and the yoga studio.  This has turned out SOOO much better than I could have imagined!

Dear Karl, Thank you so much for the additional information about NLP.  That's pretty much what I thought. Yes, I had the opportunity to pay to learn NLP to get a "life coach" certificate but I decided against it.  Frankly it sounds like way too much work.  I've decided to just behave in a dharmically correct way, one day at a time, taking care of things on a practical level as necessary, and otherwise just go with the flow.  The universe has been running itself for a very long time without my help.  But I will continue to offer up stuff in samyama as it comes up.

Dear Jeff, thanks for the additional clarification about samyama!  Will keep it in mind.

Love you guys so much!!!

[karl]

Yes, NLP was the first foray into the murky world that lies at the side of life. AYP is more direct and bypasses all that " success" stuff that isn't necessary. You surrendered that's the path. Surrender completely, know that you have no control and let go of it. Little rewards help to re-enforce that you are going with the flow and not trying to keep steering.

Expect a succession of bumps when you forget to relinquish it.

Well done on the house and every success with your new studio.

[Radharani]

quote:Originally posted by karl

Yes, NLP was the first foray into the murky world that lies at the side of life. AYP is more direct and bypasses all that " success" stuff that isn't necessary. You surrendered that's the path. Surrender completely, know that you have no control and let go of it. Little rewards help to re-enforce that you are going with the flow and not trying to keep steering.

Expect a succession of bumps when you forget to relinquish it.

Well done on the house and every success with your new studio.

Thanks for all your feedback.  I totally agree with you.  Surrender just feels right; ecstatic, actually.  And if I'm going to be thinking anything, I'd rather be thinking "Krishna, Krishna, Krishna" or "Love, love, love" as opposed to cluttering up my mind with planning, visualizing, or trying to manipulate reality.  Love.

[BenQuiet]

Hi,

I'm not going to talk much about manifesting objects.  Decades ago 'I thought I' was manifesting objects, instantaneously and sometimes the 'stuff' took a week or so to arrive. It turns out that now it is known here that it was always just consciousness itself at play. Yes it comes from a completely neutral emotional place with a mind picture, kind of like the emotions are the motor and the mind makes the mold. It is a knowing in present moment that it is already done. Similar to Richard Bach's book "Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah", but he doesn't speak about the emotions.  

Do we desire REALITY or to get caught up in loads more lifetimes of suffering.  Tons of stories out there like Nisargadatta and Papaji laughing at the Siddhi Yogis that visited them.  

Let what comes come, then it goes.  Keep your earnestness with the priority of Self recognizing Self.

Money is neutral like an elemental, it is just energy.   I used to make a point of pushing it away - and then it would come barreling at me = just energy.  I don't have hardly any now and i don't give a hoot.  The universe takes care, like the song goes "You don't always get what you want, but you always get what you need".  Things always are working for the best, sometimes we need certain experiences that at the time 'seem' bad.  Paradhba Karma.

Here is an amazing woman Inelia Benz who claims that this is her first incarnation, that she came directly from source to help raise the vibrations of this planet.  Quite fascinating stories she tells in videos with Bill Ryan.  Here is a link to her article about money;

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-tools/19-five-minute-mp3s-for-the-workplace/51-self-growth-audio-tools.html

[Radharani]

quote:Originally posted by BenQuiet

Hi,

I'm not going to talk much about manifesting objects.  Decades ago 'I thought I' was manifesting objects, instantaneously and sometimes the 'stuff' took a week or so to arrive. It turns out that now it is known here that it was always just consciousness itself at play. Yes it comes from a completely neutral emotional place with a mind picture, kind of like the emotions are the motor and the mind makes the mold. It is a knowing in present moment that it is already done. Similar to Richard Bach's book "Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah", but he doesn't speak about the emotions.  

Do we desire REALITY or to get caught up in loads more lifetimes of suffering.  Tons of stories out there like Nisargadatta and Papaji laughing at the Siddhi Yogis that visited them.  

Let what comes come, then it goes.  Keep your earnestness with the priority of Self recognizing Self.

Money is neutral like an elemental, it is just energy.   I used to make a point of pushing it away - and then it would come barreling at me = just energy.  I don't have hardly any now and i don't give a hoot.  The universe takes care, like the song goes "You don't always get what you want, but you always get what you need".  Things always are working for the best, sometimes we need certain experiences that at the time 'seem' bad.  Paradhba Karma.

Here is an amazing woman Inelia Benz who claims that this is her first incarnation, that she came directly from source to help raise the vibrations of this planet.  Quite fascinating stories she tells in videos with Bill Ryan.  Here is a link to her article about money;

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-tools/19-five-minute-mp3s-for-the-workplace/51-self-growth-audio-tools.html

Dear BenQuiet,
Thanks for sharing that.  I agree with you and that's why I have decided to completely give up on the "manifesting" thing (other than continuing to offer up things in samyama when they come up).

Re: the Benz article about money, I have to admit the exercise she proposes kind of creeps me out.  I don't know if I will try it.  For one thing, she says Money is an elemental and to "invite Money into your energy field."  As I recall from working with elementals many years ago when I was into White Magick/Golden Dawn, I did not "invite" them into my personal space.  We interacted with appropriate boundaries.  Her method sounds a little TOO chummy for me.  Plus it would seem to involve attachment or focus that might not be advisable.  I don't know.  Have you tried this?  Has anybody else here tried this and what do you think?  thanks.