albechan
Italy
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Posted - May 21 2018 : 08:53:35 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Dear All,
I would like to request your kind advice with regards to kechari mudra as I read with deep interest what you wrote.
I already wrote another similar post, but I realized it was on the wrong section.
Although I just started to practice yoga, I became strongly interested in the discipline because of my innate ability to perform kechari mudra. I am 39 and I've been playing with my toungue behind the uvula since I was a child. I can literally spend hours with my toungue resting on "the secret spot" Yogani mention at the base of the nasal sept and can reach kechari 4 with great ease thanks to the unusual anatomy of my toungue (very long, very thin when stretched and with an extremely malleable frenulum). Perhaps, I can even do kechari 5 as I can fold back my toungue enough to block any air intake through my throat. As I just discovered the importance behind this practice, I've been doing it with much more attention and interest.
I am lucky enough to have a job and a life style which allows me to spend long hours in silence (I do meditation pretty regularly as well) so that I can go on with my daily routines while keeping my toungue resting on the secret spot and focus on breathing. Still I don't really feel the ecstatic conductivity you talk about. I wanted to understand if you think it's ok to keep practicing kechari mudra for such a long time (I can last on stage 2 easily 7-8 hours per day as that position feels more comfortable to me than keeping my toungue in a ?normal? resting position). On a side note, I can say that I have never experienced any strain or discomfort from this.
Thank you so much for your time.
Love
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1492 Posts
Posted - May 22 2018 : 02:46:24 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hello albechan
Welcome to the AYP forum.
Reading your recent post, I think the question arising is this:
Do you wish to develop ecstatic conductivity?
If the answer is yes, then your best bet is spinal breathing pranayama (described in the free lessons on this website, starting at
Lesson 41)
You are very advanced with the kechari technique, but practices that work on just one segment of the sushumna may not awaken ecstatic conductivity, unless a more global cleansing of the main energy channel is underway. Spinal breathing achieves that global cleansing, as it sweeps sushumna nadi from the root to the brow. So wherever the blocks are along the way, it will find them and dissolve them.
If you decide to go down this path, there is one more question you need to answer: do you combine your existing meditation practice (did you say zen?) with the energetic practices of AYP, or give AYP a go, starting with the AYP meditation technique (Lesson 13)? The bottom line is that meditation is the fundamental practice; any energy practices must build on that.
Only you can answer this question, but if you wish to discuss pros and cons, start another topic on the forum.
All the best on your path
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albechan
Italy
26 Posts
Posted - May 22 2018 : 10:18:01 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
quote:
Originally posted by BlueRaincoat
Hello albechan
Welcome to the AYP forum.
Reading your recent post, I think the question arising is this:
Do you wish to develop ecstatic conductivity?
If the answer is yes, then your best bet is spinal breathing pranayama (described in the free lessons on this website, starting at
Lesson 41)
You are very advanced with the kechari technique, but practices that work on just one segment of the sushumna may not awaken ecstatic conductivity, unless a more global cleansing of the main energy channel is underway. Spinal breathing achieves that global cleansing, as it sweeps sushumna nadi from the root to the brow. So wherever the blocks are along the way, it will find them and dissolve them.
If you decide to go down this path, there is one more question you need to answer: do you combine your existing meditation practice (did you say zen?) with the energetic practices of AYP, or give AYP a go, starting with the AYP meditation technique (Lesson 13)? The bottom line is that meditation is the fundamental practice; any energy practices must build on that.
Only you can answer this question, but if you wish to discuss pros and cons, start another topic on the forum.
All the best on your path
Hi BlueRaincoat,
Thank you so much for your reply.
To answer your questions, I'd say that what I want the most is to achieve Unity. Said that,to enjoy this wonderful ecstatic conductivity along the path is certainly a plus that I'm determined to pursue.
With regards to the other point, I have no problem at all to set zen aside for a while to give AYP a go and that's what I've actually just sarted to do, beginning from the meditation technique with the I AM mantra.
I tend to be quite disciplined with the practices in general so I'm sure that some results shouldn't take too long to manifest.
Deep gratitude for your kind suggestion.
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1492 Posts
Posted - May 23 2018 : 03:53:23 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
HI albechan
quote:
Originally posted by albechan
I'd say that what I want the most is to achieve Unity. Said that,to enjoy this wonderful ecstatic conductivity along the path is certainly a plus that I'm determined to pursue.
Ecstatic conductivity lies along the way towards unity and it is a precondition to it. Its rise is more dramatic in some people than in others (which may explain why some traditions emphasises it more than others?).
I've never practised Buddhism as such, but it seems to me that piti is ecstatic conductivity. Then there is sukha, which I guess is the equivalent of AYP's "ecstatic bliss". Different words, the same reality.
If you get to read further through the AYP lessons, you will find some that describe the evolution towards unity: Lessons 35, 85, 274 and quite a few others.
Enjoy your I AM meditation. If you have any questions, you can always ask them in the forum.
Edited by - BlueRaincoat on May 23 2018 04:02:04 AM
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Shamith
India
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Posted - Oct 21 2018 : 11:11:44 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Respected, can you tell me. How did you enter into kechari 4 and up. What was the angle ? I
quote:
Originally posted by albechan
Dear All,
I would like to request your kind advice with regards to kechari mudra as I read with deep interest what you wrote.
I already wrote another similar post, but I realized it was on the wrong section.
Although I just started to practice yoga, I became strongly interested in the discipline because of my innate ability to perform kechari mudra. I am 39 and I've been playing with my toungue behind the uvula since I was a child. I can literally spend hours with my toungue resting on "the secret spot" Yogani mention at the base of the nasal sept and can reach kechari 4 with great ease thanks to the unusual anatomy of my toungue (very long, very thin when stretched and with an extremely malleable frenulum). Perhaps, I can even do kechari 5 as I can fold back my toungue enough to block any air intake through my throat. As I just discovered the importance behind this practice, I've been doing it with much more attention and interest.
I am lucky enough to have a job and a life style which allows me to spend long hours in silence (I do meditation pretty regularly as well) so that I can go on with my daily routines while keeping my toungue resting on the secret spot and focus on breathing. Still I don't really feel the ecstatic conductivity you talk about. I wanted to understand if you think it's ok to keep practicing kechari mudra for such a long time (I can last on stage 2 easily 7-8 hours per day as that position feels more comfortable to me than keeping my toungue in a ?normal? resting position). On a side note, I can say that I have never experienced any strain or discomfort from this.
Thank you so much for your time.
Love
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Shamith
India
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Posted - Oct 21 2018 : 11:17:48 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
People who have finished Kechari Stage 4. Requesting help with the request.
Which is the right angle to insert the tongue and upward ? Up beneath the secret spot. It seems the passage is closed, not upward. Thanking you.
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Shamith
India
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Posted - Oct 22 2018 : 01:13:54 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Can one tell me which side is the entry level to go up. Is it the side where secret spot is or opposite side. Thanking you
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Leonardo Neiva
Brazil
1 Posts
Posted - Mar 27 2019 : 12:10:24 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Thank you this post has helped me a lot to connect in essence