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Sparkle

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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2009, 08:00:36 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by yogani

Hi Ananda and All:

I took our original interchange from your first post here, expanded my reply, and posted it as a new lesson (#333) called "Dissolving the Witness in Unity" here: http://www.aypsite.com/plus/333.html

Getting into the nitty gritty of self-inquiry a bit. [:)]

Enjoy!

The guru is in you.



Thanks Yogani, a beautiful lesson[:)]

yogani

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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2009, 01:55:39 AM »
Whatever comes out on the keyboard here is inspired by all of you. So thank you, and keep going. [:)]

The guru is in you.

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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2009, 06:49:06 AM »
Wow Yogani....

For Now....that's gotta be my favorite lesson ever [:D]

Thank you.....

 
quote:
Give the mind no safe perch on which to land.


Amen [:)]

Yonatan

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2009, 08:04:13 AM »
Yeah I love it too! Very good lesson

Ananda

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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2009, 02:41:08 AM »
hi Yogani, and thk you for the beautiful lesson.

Ananda

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2009, 08:21:35 AM »
hi all, on the point of being alone i found this by Adyashanti:

Adyashanti – Being Alone


Stand Alone  

If you are a true seeker of liberation you’ve got to be willing to stand alone. At the moment of Liberation everything falls away…everything. Suddenly the ground beneath your feet is gone, and you are alone. You are alone because you have directly realized that there is no other, there is no separation. There is only you, only Self, only limitless emptiness, pure consciousness.

To the mind, the ego, this appears terrifying. When the mind looks at limitlessness and infinity, it projects meaninglessness and despair. To the ego Absolute Freedom can look terrifying. But when the mind is let go of, the view changes from meaningless despair and fear to the unending joy and wonder of Liberation.

In Liberation, you stand alone. You stand alone because you need no supports of any kind. You need no supports because you have realized that the very notion of a separate you no longer exists; that there is nothing to support; that the whole ego experience was a flimsy illusion. So you stand alone but never, never lonely because everywhere you look, all you see is That, and You are That.
                                                                            Adyashanti                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Konchok Ösel Dorje

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2009, 01:23:58 PM »
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Originally posted by Ananda

brother konchok, thk you for sharing your views on the matter but according to my own experience with this stuff i say that the mind is limited and emptiness goes far beyond mind you even feel the fear of losing the mind\\ego while you're going deeper and deeper through each layer of infinite space which points out to me the fact that the mind is nothing but a vehicle.

about emptying the mind according to what you say can be done here at will now and happens automatically by itself throughout the day and all you need to achieve this is daily deep meditation and awareness\\mindfulness with the spice of self inquiry.

what is experienced is nice and new but it's starting to feel like home already, except the fact that it still feels lonely and others don't see the world as i do well at least for now[;)]

in gratitude for the beautiful stuff you are sharing with us in the forums.

love,

Ananda



Perhaps you mean Emptiness is beyond conceptual thoughts. But there is nothing beyond the mind.  Emptiness is pure mind. The "ness" implies an experience.

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 04:56:39 PM »
yes there is smthg beyond mind, the witness for I am is witnessing the mind and the thoughts.

concerning emptiness in the mind it can happen at will here, but this remains in the mind.

what i was speaking of was the melting in the darkness in the void in pure infinite unlimited consciousness and being aware in that as the witness and that is definitely beyond the mind bcz you simply watch the mind; the body; life; others.. it's all like a movie screen.

namaste

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2009, 01:06:57 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Ananda

yes there is smthg beyond mind, the witness for I am is witnessing the mind and the thoughts.

concerning emptiness in the mind it can happen at will here, but this remains in the mind.

what i was speaking of was the melting in the darkness in the void in pure infinite unlimited consciousness and being aware in that as the witness and that is definitely beyond the mind bcz you simply watch the mind; the body; life; others.. it's all like a movie screen.

namaste



How can there possibly be a witness without a mind? How can there be a sense of "I" without a mind? There is either an experiencer or there isn't. It is either "empty" or "emptiness," but not both. Perhaps when you say "mind" you really mean ego.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2009, 03:18:56 AM »
true brother Konchok, i mean the ego when i point toward the mind.

plus i should mention that the words i am saying are experienced and they are not the thoughts of someone else and this is my own experience and it's beautiful and to be honest with you i don't care much if there is or isn't a mind or the fact that there even exist or doesn't exist a self i just like to experience and be surprised by each and every step along the way.

namaste,

Ananda

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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2009, 04:17:28 AM »
Ananda, there's no need to quip. I can accept your words are from your experience. Can you accept that my words are from mine?

I just meditated. I can't put it into words. It was an experience. Now that I'm writing, I can't say it wasn't a mind, just not my ordinary one I'm writing with now.

I know Yogani has been implying that I'm espousing ideology that I heard from someone else. That's unfair. I am sharing my experience. This may not be the place to share. Considering. Applying wisdom. Perhaps taking a break from this forum. I wish you all safe passage.

Ösel Dorje
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Steve

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2009, 04:44:47 AM »
Konchok Ösel Dorje,

Thank you for all the contributions you have made to the forum.  It is appreciated.  Much Love and Light to you.

Steve [:)]

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2009, 05:05:52 AM »
Thank you oshel for your wonderful contributions to ayp forums.
Wish you all the best in the path.[:)]

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2009, 05:19:22 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Konchok Ösel Dorje

Ananda, there's no need to quip. I can accept your words are from your experience. Can you accept that my words are from mine?

I just meditated. I can't put it into words. It was an experience. Now that I'm writing, I can't say it wasn't a mind, just not my ordinary one I'm writing with now.

I know Yogani has been implying that I'm espousing ideology that I heard from someone else. That's unfair. I am sharing my experience. This may not be the place to share. Considering. Applying wisdom. Perhaps taking a break from this forum. I wish you all safe passage.

Ösel Dorje


Gee Osel:

One of the few times I sense your real 2 cents, and now you are running away? Maybe inquire a bit on it. It is an opening, so why run?

Whatever the case may be, I greatly appreciate all efforts you make toward your awakening, as this is also everyone else's awakening. It takes a village, you know, present and accounted for or not.

Carry on! [:)]

The guru is in you.


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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2009, 05:59:46 AM »
brother Konshok plz don't take this the wrong way, but i reacted the way i did bcz simply put my experience with the whole deal seems different than yours so i thought why argue that will only lead us into a circle of needless chatting.

and i admit to the fact that i did you wrong, and i'll try and be more aware of what i am saying next time i force my experiences and insights on others for they might change in the future and it's not fair to the other person.

and i do like your add ons to the forums a lot and love your posts, there's no need for that break we need genuine people like you around here.

much love,

Ananda