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CarsonZi

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« on: July 20, 2013, 04:29:29 AM »
"How important/detrimental is it to want to be better/more?"

"How important/detrimental is it to be at peace/content?"


These are ongoing inquiries here so thought I would offer them up to you too.  [3]

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2013, 10:40:40 AM »
I am content with my constant need to be better. I am at peace with the evolving nature of my being. I know my personal story is small in the grand scheme, but what other options do I have? If I can be nestled in between the bosom of unshakable stillness and the animated charge of ecstasy, then perhaps I stand a chance at serving the deeply encrypted purpose of life.

Sometimes, I have the fleeting sense that the eternal Now contains all elements of past, present, and future, and so I realize there is no need to race or hurry because no chances will be permanently missed. But, nevertheless, the fuel of bhakti propels me to take advantage of the opportunities before me. I have a small fear of being reborn and having to go through certain "trivial" stages of development, but who knows, so much is still unclear when it comes to the past and future.

At least I have some comfort in residing in a mostly clean conscience...knowing that I'm a little more attuned to the magnetic pull of the cosmic destiny than I was in the past. But aren't we all? I think this game of spiritual practice is just accelerating a process that's already inevitable. By virtue of free will, we have the choice to waver between contentedness and progress...maintaining the speed and rhythm that feels right.

As Bob Marley said: "Strike the hammer while the iron is hot. Open up your heart. Let love come running in." And he sung those lyrics in a song entitled "Mellow Mood", so I think the Rastafarian had a good handle on self-pacing. [8D]

Great questions. A good template for self-inquiry into self-pacing. Thank you, Carson.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2013, 01:51:50 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by CarsonZi

"How important/detrimental is it to want to be better/more?"

"How important/detrimental is it to be at peace/content?"


These are ongoing inquiries here so thought I would offer them up to you too.  [3]

Love!
Carson [^]



Hi Carson,

Taken together they are very deep and powerful questions that point the way. Thank you. [:)]

For me, Bodhi describes striving for the balance pretty well. The only thought I would add to it is a simple analogy...

A flower in it's own pure nature desires to grow, expand and spread it's seeds. This expansion happens naturally with the support of it's friends (sun, water, wind, insects...). Residing in it's own nature, the flower is at peace with the outcome.

Peace,
Jeff
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2013, 03:09:48 AM »
Funny you should share this dear Carson... I am going through the same inquiries myself... I have found it in my own inquiry that the want to be "better, more or content" is ruining my peace or stability... That hunger for more is an issue for me and always had been... If I let go of the want I am at peace but then after a day or two the want creeps in again and good bye contentment.

I've been reading the autobiography of Saint Theresa of Avila and at some point she says that one of the biggest downfalls a spiritual seeker goes through is thinking that by his own efforts alone he would push through/further... The answer she says is in surrendering to a higher power. We do our part but we surrender concerning the end result. God/Allah/Truth or as Jeff put it "sun, water, wind..." will take us higher when It sees the time is fitting.

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2013, 08:25:05 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by jeff

A flower in it's own pure nature desires to grow, expand and spread it's seeds. This expansion happens naturally with the support of it's friends (sun, water, wind, insects...). Residing in it's own nature, the flower is at peace with the outcome.


"Life's a garden. Dig it." --Joe Dirt [8D]

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 08:20:16 AM »
Hi guys, thanks for commenting. [:)]

What this inquiry does for me is highlight when I am stuck in identification.  

Anytime I notice that I am trying to "better myself" I also now notice that I am stuck in a belief that "I" exist.  

This leads me into question 2... which in the past has lead me into the mental answer/story that being content leads to stagnation.  I've mentioned my tendency to fall into this trap before here at the forums.  

What question #2 eventually led to is question #3... "Is it just a story/belief that when there is peace/contentment, that there is no motivation for further growth/expansion?"  The result of this inquiry is a "softening," or a loosening of the story/belief as it is seen as obvious that they are just that, stories/beliefs... it is only a story that infinite peace stifles further expansion.  

What I've come to notice is that the more effort I actively expend in trying to better myself, the more I strengthen the false sense of "I."  This (at least for me) now includes formal practices.  I no longer seem to be able to do any formal practices without directly strengthening this sense of "I."  All I seem to be able to do, without falling into conflict with the knowing that "I" don't exist, is sit still and observe.  No mantra, no directing the breath, no working with the energy, no trying to do anything in particular... only sitting and noticing is allowed now.

Has anybody else had to go through this phase?

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 08:58:00 AM »
Your answer to your questions was exactly what I thought when I read your post.

quote:

Has anybody else had to go through this phase?


Absolutely, yes. When I do formal practices, the I sense is strengthened. Just to sit and observe is the best practice for me. I might do Om chanting if inspired to, but just for the love of the Om sound, not as a practice. Why do formal practices sometimes strengthen the I? Because structured practices are a subtle doing, and its hard to avoid them containing an intent and sense of doership. In just sitting still, which is no practice at all, even the doer comes undone.

The Self, in its aspect of formless awareness, has no agenda, no motivation, no goal, no desired outcome in mind. It illumines ignorance and enlightenment equally, regarding expressions of hatred and malevolence with the same gaze that regards love and kindness. It's altogether beyond these opposites.

To simply sit still and observe (when you have cultivated enough witness consciousness) is the most powerful practice for ego-undoing. Because the ego is always trying to get somewhere, do something, achieve something.

The Self doesn't share this nature. It's absolutely fine with whatever appearances pass through it. It's just like the empty space in a room, the space isn't affected by what happens within it. The space doesn't say "No, I want to see good things in the space" or "Oh yes I like this!". It's free from such preferences, content with what is.

Just sitting, and observing, we let go of that identification of trying to get somewhere or do something, and we ourselves become like the empty space in the room, content with whatever appearance may arise.

What is happiness? Not a particular feeling surely. All feelings, all states, come and go. It is the nature of things that pleasure and pain chase one another. True happiness is not a move to a positive state, it's just the total absence of resistance to whatever is taking place, right now.

Do you feel me or am I ranting?

love

josh
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 09:01:17 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by mr_anderson

Do you feel me or am I ranting?



I feel ya brother... we seem to be on the same page for sure. [:)]

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 09:17:56 AM »
That's a peaceful place to be, Carson. Just being. Just noticing. Just witnessing. Upon reading your post, I can empathically sense the serenity.  If you're intuitive self-pacing tells you not to use the mantra, then bravo, follow the flow.

But the statement "'I' don't exist" is problematic, in my opinion. That's erasing the ego, which is an act of the mind, as Yogani says. I would consider the possibility that you do exist, even as the ego; it's just that you exist on many levels...with stillness being the foundation of all experience. [/\]

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 10:56:02 AM »
Upon realizing no "I" Adyashanti exclaimed his realization to his master, who hit him very hard with a stick and said "Then who did that hurt?" [:D]

I don't think Carson is taking a mental stance "I don't exist" he's simply referring to the experience that occurs when awareness dis-identifies with form, and one directly experiences that I am That to which the body-mind appears, my identity is not limited to the body-mind. The true I, the Self, so to speak encompasses all.

Therefore I see no conflict or distinction between what you and he are saying. My two cents anyway.

Love,

Josh

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 11:11:43 AM »
Thanks for taking the words right out of my mouth Josh... saves me the time of saying them myself. [:p]

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 11:29:07 AM »
Excellent vignette from Adyashanti's experience. Thank you for sharing that, Mr. Anderson. That sums it up perfectly.

And I'm glad you saved Carson the time at not having to say anything himself. LOL! Good times, good times. [8D]

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 11:53:12 AM »
Hey we're all not-two right? I guess I actually saved my Self the time of saying them my Self?

Or something like that anyway. [;)]

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2013, 12:08:16 PM »
I'm starting to have uncontrollable bouts of laughter while sitting at my work desk right now [:o)], and co-workers are beginning to notice, so I think I'm going to have to read some Herman Hesse to dampen the mood. Nothing like a little Hesse to bring that German austerity into the mental atmosphere.

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2013, 12:47:45 PM »
LOL