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Jaycee

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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 01:21:39 AM »

Thank-you Ananda.[:)]  Francis Lucille is truly inspiring.
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Ananda

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 02:53:54 AM »
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so I think there must be a language barrier between us and francis. In my language both of those things are the opposite of "who cares".


Wow, you've really misunderstood the "who cares" part when I've said it. As I mentioned in my reply, it's concerning that certain answer concerning direct and indirect approaches. It's not a general point.

Francis is a very loving person and so is his student, the friend whom Maha and I seek for advise.

And yes, as I've mentioned in my reply also. Beginners to the direct approach should seek a teacher and be in the presence of. I hope you reread my first reply again dear Ether.

Love,
Ananda
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Ananda

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 02:54:24 AM »
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Originally posted by Jaycee


Thank-you Ananda.[:)]  Francis Lucille is truly inspiring.


You are welcome Jaycee[:)]
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karl

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 04:16:11 AM »
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Originally posted by Ananda

Waking up and clarity[:)]


Great. Permanent ?
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maheswari

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 08:52:42 AM »
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i just happen to belong to a very large, but not organized, group of people who like to learn everything over the internet. I will likely never go see someone who is great, like francis. So youtube is as close as I will get. we don't like to go see people in person unless we have to. So newbies who have that attitude will try to learn from only his youtube videos.


there is no need to go anywhere ...there is no need to meet a specific "great"teacher...or to study directly under a "great' teacher....these things might or might not happen according to each seeker's personality,taste and circumstances....

circumstances play a big role which can not be explained rationaly,for instance sometimes the seeker wants to go and see an external teacher,but this never happens! sometimes the seeker does not want to go anywhere but he finds himself traveling to see an external teacher!these circumstances happen we do not choose them... one thing is for sure,each one has a unique journey and this journey will unfold exactly like it should unfold for the seeker's best interest
the external teacher will just point out the inner guru present in the seeker, exactly like ayp does
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Etherfish

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 10:52:47 AM »
thanks maheswari, I completely agree; the inner guru sets up circumstances for me all the time. It's not exactly like AYP though, if you have to go see an external teacher for him to point out your inner guru. As Ananda says "Beginners to the direct approach should seek a teacher and be in the presence of". AYP can be done over the internet. It sounds like a small difference, but to me and people like me it's big.

Ananda; I re-read your first post and think I understand. I get that "who cares" is not a general point, only referring to which system one chooses. I had watched a lot of his talks before, and I just got the feeling that is an attitude that he applied a lot, but I guess not.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2011, 02:43:02 AM »
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Originally posted by karl

quote:
Originally posted by Ananda

Waking up and clarity[:)]


Great. Permanent ?


Nope.
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Ananda

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2011, 02:44:52 AM »
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Originally posted by Etherfish


Ananda; I re-read your first post and think I understand. I get that "who cares" is not a general point, only referring to which system one chooses. I had watched a lot of his talks before, and I just got the feeling that is an attitude that he applied a lot, but I guess not.


It's all good bro[:)]
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Ananda

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2011, 02:45:23 AM »
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Originally posted by maheswari

quote:
i just happen to belong to a very large, but not organized, group of people who like to learn everything over the internet. I will likely never go see someone who is great, like francis. So youtube is as close as I will get. we don't like to go see people in person unless we have to. So newbies who have that attitude will try to learn from only his youtube videos.


there is no need to go anywhere ...there is no need to meet a specific "great"teacher...or to study directly under a "great' teacher....these things might or might not happen according to each seeker's personality,taste and circumstances....

circumstances play a big role which can not be explained rationaly,for instance sometimes the seeker wants to go and see an external teacher,but this never happens! sometimes the seeker does not want to go anywhere but he finds himself traveling to see an external teacher!these circumstances happen we do not choose them... one thing is for sure,each one has a unique journey and this journey will unfold exactly like it should unfold for the seeker's best interest
the external teacher will just point out the inner guru present in the seeker, exactly like ayp does



Beautiful[:)]
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gatito

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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2011, 11:04:44 AM »
I think that Francis is great but he doesn't (as far as I know) provide a systematic approach, although, I understand that he teaches Kashmiri Yoga, which I tried out on a retreat with Rupert Spira.

What I love about AYP is that it teaches an integrated step-by-step approach to non-duality, which is missing from the Advaita scene (or at least, I've missed it if it's there).

For me, meditation is the link to Advaita and the missing ingredient.

From what I understand, many of the contemporary teachers have put in a great deal of spiritual practice prior to "enlightenment" or just "dropped lucky". Maybe those who dropped lucky did it in a previous lifetime and can't remember it now? [:D]

I love listening to Francis's satsangs, they're truly inspirational and full of Light and Love (and common sense).

I'd signed-up to go on a retreat with him this Xmas in Paris because I wanted to meet him in person (and catch up with some old friends) but it's fallen through unfortunately. I also wanted to meet him as he's Rupert Spira's teacher and I'd certainly count Rupert as one of mine. Again, he's full of Light and Love (and common sense).

I've spent a long time studying Atma Darshan and Atma Nirvriti and I can't remember anywhere where Krishna Menon says that the presence of an external Guru is essential. I'll go back and have a read through and if I find it I'll post again.

I'd agree that the Guru is indeed within and that meditation is the road to Her/Him.

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Ananda

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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2011, 06:48:49 PM »
I agree with most of what you said my friend. Concerning Atman Darshan and Atma Nirvriti, Sri Atmananda himself says that reading his work "Atman Darshan" will lead one to a teacher... If you want to understand Sri Atmananda more, you should read his spiritual discourses in which he insists more than once and at the beginning of the necessity of the physical guru.

Francis also insists on that, I've been introduced to Sri Atmananda by reading Kamal Joumblat books a few years back and the latter was sort of screaming that one needs a personal teacher to tread the path of Advaita.

I honestly don't know if It's necessary or not, but it's very helpful IMO. I've met one of Francis' students this week and he teaches on his own as Rupert does but he's not a formal teacher....

Being in his presence was quite something, but the odd thing was that while around him one understands everything being said and at the same time he feels annoyed and wants to leave the heck out of there but after leaving he feels clueless from one hand and on the other he just wants real bad to go back there and stay within the silent presence of the teacher...

It's great to hear that you're going to meet Francis, hope to do so as well one day...

Love,
Ananda
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gatito

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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2011, 09:09:46 AM »
It's good to meet you Ananda [:)]

I'm really pleased that I've found another Krishna Menon fan.

Perhaps we could start a topic, because I'm not at all sure that Krishna Menon does say that you need an external guru in AD and AN which are the "bible" of Krishna Menon (and as such open to interpretation). He also uses several different apparently contradictory methods and, from what I remember, remarks that any single one will do the trick.

I've not yet finished "Notes on Spiritual Discourses" but I'm not too concerned about that as AD and AN are the core teachings and particularly the preface where he talks about "using a thorn to remove a thorn" in very technical language, so maybe any other references to having an external teacher were tailored to fit the individual?

I really need to reread AD and AN properly to have this discussion though, because it's some time since I picked them up.

Would you like to start the ball rolling with a new topic or shall I?

Love

gatito
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Ananda

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2011, 02:42:37 AM »
Dear,

I am very sure Krishna Menon mentions the need of a physical guru. I've read AD and AN many times in the past and have done satsang with a friend while reading them once. We kind of put our brains and teeth really into Atma Darshan in precise...

I was also with the teacher who came to Lebanon yesterday, all I can say is that it was a big help. The silence, clarity and understanding were beautiful. What I loved the most is the simplicity and unconditional love of the teacher. Yesterday all of these symptoms were clear to me.

As per opening up a topic, I think I've mentioned Krishna Menon more than once in other forums than here. But if you want to open up a new one so that we may discuss or share about Krishna Menon... Don't know how I could contribute but I am in for Sure [:)]

Love,
Ananda
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maheswari

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2011, 04:13:55 AM »
dear Ananda and Gatito
i would be very grateful for both of you if you start a new topic in plain english about Krishna Menon cause when i read his writtings i dont understand much...i dont why although i am very familiar with vedanta especially  Shankaracharya and Ramana Maharshi writtings...
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Ananda

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2011, 04:37:20 AM »
Check out the following dear Maha:
Life Sketch of Sri Atmananda Krishna Menon
http://www.aypsite.com/plus-forum/index.php?topic=8168

Another topic with good links:
http://www.aypsite.com/plus-forum/index.php?topic=7843

This is Kamal Joumblat's encounter with him:
http://www.aypsite.com/plus-forum/index.php?topic=5895

This is one of his disciples whom you can contact by email or go visit in India. But he is not a guru himself.
http://www.aypsite.com/plus-forum/index.php?topic=8169

Enjoy!

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