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Alvin Chan

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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2006, 04:55:20 AM »
If you think I am trying to reason out amaroli, indeed my reasonings are fallacious. But that's not my aim here. Instead, I'm trying to warn against the kind of "reasonings" used by many yogis and some websites (I found most of them in the links of AYP), trying to convince the others that amaroli "should work" and "for good reasons".(while there are in fact no deep reasons, except believing in testimonials which you could find plenty in every websites of those "magical products" on improving your memory, enlarging your penis, etc)  In those websites, the nutritive explanation is the main one, and a fallacious one because they simply say that urine is "nutritive".

Your explanation is of a different nature, David. It makes more sense than the simple-minded "nutritive" explanation. But is it then even better to take what's "nutritive" in our urine directly? For hormones, People have been taking DHEA, 5-HTP, human growth hormones, etc. Our body is not designed for such thing directly, just as it's not designed for drinking urine. But such hormones, even when articially made, are just as close to the usable form as what's present in urine.

Also, if no "special" reactions occur (such as hormesis), re-taking such as small amount of nutrients (small even if you take a full cup) are not likely to make a noticeable difference in a short time, as claimed by those who take amaroli. Of course there are exceptions---

Some very results have been reported by taking DHEA (and to a lesser extent 5-HTP and HGH), though not everyone got the benefits. Those who are benefited are usually those who are aged, when their natural levels of these hormones are very low. That make sense---only then can you expect a noticeable difference by taking just 25 or 50mg DHEA a day. In their case, 50mg a day can be a huge proportion of their body production of these hormones.

So may be amaroli is simply not (yet) suitable for me considering my age and health conditions? (rather than beneficial but not noticeable)
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Collective wisdom is usually correct, but not always. Look at "The Photoreading Whole Mind System"--- what it claims are simply incredible. And many people report that it "works". But indeed it doesn't-----except that it really makes people wrongly think that the content of the book really goes into their brain.

Not long ago, this "photoreading" stuff is still quite heat. It survives quite well.

Of course I have a higher regard for yogis. But still I prefer to be more careful and conservative in my judgement. You never know when a yogi is exaggerating. Do you think you can really become young again and even conquer death by doing headstand, doing pranayama, etc? When should those texts not be interpreted literally? Simple---when they are obviously wrong. But you will have a hard time when things are possible but unlikely. That could be a topic worth discussing.
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I'm glad to see guys like you are having positive results from amaroli, David. That somehow increases its credibility. So allow me to ask you more about your experiences:

How long have you been taking amaroli? (I like guessing. Let me make a guess: about 1-2 years, long after you TM practice)

What precisely are the benefits you get? The more "objective" the descriptions the better. (e.g. stamina in terms of the number of miles you can run in 1 hour is much better "improved stamina")

When you start amaroli, did you start some other practices at more or less the same time?

Did you try experimenting the results by stopping amaroli for some days until the effects fade away? If yes, how many times have you done? And can you describe your findings?

I guess you're above 50, unless you start really early in yoga. Did you ask your son or someone younger to try that? And what's the result?

noche

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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2006, 12:22:04 PM »
someone told me that a very efective cleansing technique was: just after waking (early)
squirt less than a small spoon of amaroli under the tongue, then thru both nostrils, then one tear of amaroli in each ear channel. And with the resultant either drink it or if have more congestion problems do neti. after it do an aenema of a litre of coffee at baby temperature and retain for as long as confortable ¿? say 10 minutes, then with a litre of water at the same temerature. After that, take a bath an istead of soap, lather salt all over your body doing round massagges at your principal joints.

in lak´ech

Frank-in-SanDiego

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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2006, 02:00:33 PM »
Hari Om
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Originally posted by david_obsidian

P.S.  I intend to answer Frank's question when I get the chance.  Feel free to remind me later.



Hello David, if you get a chance, can you address the benefits and the measurable effects of this procedure?  thx a bunch.

Peace,

Frank In San Diego

david_obsidian

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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2006, 02:26:35 AM »

Yes.

>> and the measurable effects of this [amaroli] procedure

I don't know to what extent these effects are objectively measurable, but they are certainly subjectively observable.  The only objectively measurable one might have been the speed-of-healing from the frenum-snipping.

After I do amaroli,  I feel my mind being both perked up,  and naturally pulled inwards a little.  In the beginning this was a very powerful effect,  now it is more subtle,  since the strength I gained from regular amaroli is now a background condition. (This happens to me after a good asana too,  by the way,  particularly forward bend sustained for a while).  This helps the meditation.

This perked-upness and vigor lasts through the day.  Right now I don't notice much more than that from a particular dose.

 But I can tell what I noticed in the weeks after starting it.

The best way of describing it is something I heard from Yogani,  something like,  it can help fill in some weak spaces in the psyche.  This is exactly what I felt.  It was as if some background trembling in my psyche ceased -- some very subtle nervous little yappy-dogs grew bigger, stronger,  and kept quiet.

I also noticed myself having a perkier mood and being less physically tired.  One way I noticed that was I was not so much desiring to sit down in situations where I felt like sitting before.  I just stood.

My immune system and healing processes seemed to be stronger and faster.  (I noticed this in particular from the healing of cuts from frenum-snipping. )

Hope that helps Frank.

Regards,
-D
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Frank-in-SanDiego

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2006, 12:00:55 PM »
Hari Om
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Originally posted by david_obsidian

After I do amaroli,  I feel my mind being both perked up,  and naturally pulled inwards a little.  
This perked-upness and vigor lasts through the day.  Right now I don't notice much more than that from a particular dose.
-D


Hello David, thx for taking the time to outline your experiences...let me poke around a bit if I may.

Do find the same results no matter what food-stuffs you injest?
IF so, any comments? and what of the night after you have eaten asparagus?  ((([:0]))) what then? And any comment on amaroli from the supply of cows?
If you find time....thx

Peace,



Frank In San Diego

david_obsidian

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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2006, 02:27:31 AM »
Frank said:
Do find the same results no matter what food-stuffs you injest?
IF so, any comments? and what of the night after you have eaten asparagus? ((())) what then? And any comment on amaroli from the supply of cows?
If you find time....thx


It's definitely better when I eat better.  Even the taste is better.  Fresh vegetables are good.  I think that Broccoli Rabe and Turmeric in particular both create nice fresh urine that is very invigorating.  This though is just at 'impression' level.

>> and what of the night after you have eaten asparagus?

It's fine with me.  It just adds a smell.

I have never tried cow's urine, and I probably won't.  I don't find myself moooooved towards that.


-D
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david_obsidian

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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2006, 03:58:19 AM »
Hello Alvin,

>> Instead, I'm trying to warn against the kind of "reasonings" used by many yogis and some websites (I found most of them in the links of AYP), trying to convince the others that amaroli "should work" and "for good reasons".

I understand.  One of the things I am trying to do is point out that the positive effects of amaroli plausible.

The human body is so complex that it is very easy to make, shall we say,  an 'fallacious implausibility error'.  That is,  it is very easy to reason that something is implausible,  and be wrong in that.  The mechanisms can be more complex than expected.

And of course,  plausible does not mean true.  But plausible is important!

So we use our best judgement.

So may be amaroli is simply not (yet) suitable for me considering my age and health conditions? (rather than beneficial but not noticeable)

I simply don't know.  There are certainly many ways the body tends to be more balanced in its earlier years and needs less help.  But I haven't a clue about the answer to your question.

>> Collective wisdom is usually correct, but not always.

Definitely.  [:)]  As I was saying recently,  the yoga tradition tends to generally hold that 'garlic and mushrooms are bad',  which I think is a mistake.  But by in large what yoga prescribes has a benefit.

>> Of course I have a higher regard for yogis. But still I prefer to be more careful and conservative in my judgement. You never know when a yogi is exaggerating.

Yes.  What you see can neither prove to you that amaroli works for anyone,  never mind for you in particular,  but at the same time what you see cannot prove that it does not.  By all means use your judgement on the matter.  By all means,  remain unconvinced if that seems right to you.  

Is it possible that you don't want it to be true?  [:)]  Even if you believe it to be true,  you should feel free not to do it if you don't want to.

In my answer to Frank,  I've answered most of your questions except

>> How long have you been taking amaroli? (I like guessing. Let me make a guess: about 1-2 years, long after you TM practice)

Good guess -- for about a year I think.

>> When you start amaroli, did you start some other practices at more or less the same time?

No.  I was careful not to,  in order to evaluate amaroli by itself.

>> Did you try experimenting the results by stopping amaroli for some days until the effects fade away? If yes, how many times have you done? And can you describe your findings?

No.  I'll consider trying that,  and telling you what I find.

>> I guess you're above 50, unless you start really early in yoga. Did you ask your son or someone younger to try that? And what's the result?

I'm only 40.  I haven't convinced anyone younger about amaroli.  Amaroli is not something I suggest (currently) to non-yogis or even tell them about.  There are some things one is not at all ashamed of but keeps quiet about.  Like the guy who hides his Harry Potter novels under his pornographic magazines.  (I don't read Harry Potter,  BTW!  Not that I'd be ashamed of it if I did....).






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Sparkle

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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2006, 04:54:38 AM »
David you said further up the thread:
After I do amaroli, I feel my mind being both perked up, and naturally pulled inwards a little.

This may be boloney, but it's a thought I've had for a while.
The bladder would be in the region of the first and second chakra, so fluid taken from this area and ingested to the stomack, which would be at the third chakra, might give the effect your describing above.

Reasoning:
If our first chakra is charged and particularly if tantra is being practiced and the seed is not being released then is stands to reason that the urine will also be highly charged.
The third chakra according to many traditions is the chakra of the mind and so charged urine from the first chakra being ingested to the third might give the mind a boost as the frequency of vibration of the prana would be changed when it arrives in the stomack.

This is not to ignore the other possible benefits but it might be another aspect to the equation.[:)]

Actually just thought of something else - the yellow juice is also the colour of the third chakra!

Taste that sparkle[:D]





Victor

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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2006, 09:50:58 AM »
also has a striking resemblance to beer

Frank-in-SanDiego

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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2006, 11:48:50 AM »
Hari OM
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Originally posted by David_obsidian

Hello Alvin,
The human body is so complex that it is very easy to make, shall we say,  an 'fallacious implausibility error'.  That is,  it is very easy to reason that something is implausible,  and be wrong in that.  The mechanisms can be more complex than expected.



David, this is a great observation as it passes my common sense test.
We are complex beings , and on the level of subjective experience it's difficult ( for me) to pin point the cause and effect... that's why I think there is correlation and judgment, and narrowing down of the implied action that gave a wonderful result!!!

 We( that would be me) use vitamins, herbs, spices, ghee, etc and meditate there are so many stimuli. It's difficult for me to quarantine any one item to say "ahhh ha! you are the granter of this experience" - Add in my thoughts and orientation on Jyotish and I got lots of stuff as influencers!

Hence my question to you that you were kind enough to address on the practice of amaroli and it's  measurable results...so one does not mix-up the benefits of stimulus A, with Stimulus B.

I have a great appreciation for Krsna's words -  'you have freedom over action alone, never over its fruits'

Thanks again, there's a nugget of wisdom here.

Peace,


Frank In San Diego

kdhanraj

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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2006, 04:34:43 PM »
Hi all,
Nice to read all posts, so far enough was mentioned about positive results of amaroli, has any one experienced any negative results. It will be interesting to know. Then, one will have both pros and cons to decide whether to practise or not.

Dhanraj

david_obsidian

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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2006, 09:15:00 AM »
Hello Dhanraj,

the only negative effects I personally observed have been transitional,  as I got used to the practice.  This was headaches in the early days and a slight feverish feeling.  You easily deal with these by going down to a smaller dose,  and working up gradually.  These effects have completely vanished.


Victor

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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2006, 09:51:35 AM »
Amaroli seemed to have less of an energetic feel the day after my vasectomy. might be just temprorary or might mean something. too soon to tell.

Alvin Chan

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2006, 07:48:34 PM »
David, I look forward to your further experiments. I pick the practice up again for a few days. But still hard to tell the effects. I have a brain fog (which I used to have, but is rare now), in the afternoon for two consecutive days, but there are other factors like sex, foods.

gkrheera

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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2006, 08:12:05 PM »
Hi
I have been practicing amaroli for the last 2 years. I drink only the morning mid-stream. I have been at the peak of my health during this time and have never had a need to take any medicine.Before this I was a person who took ill quite easily and cold/cough troubled me a lot during change of season.
One observation which might be of interest is that I do fall sick but only for a day. To explain further lets say my wife and other members of the famliy have flu, I get it for a day in a very mild but noticeable form. But it is gone by that evening or at best next day morning without taking any medicines. I am attributing it to amaroli coz before this I never had a cold or flu which lasted less than a week.
Due to my profession I travel across the world frequently which used to make me sick often, due to drastic changes in climate (tropical India to a Canadian winter for eg.)But now I never have faced this problem.I know this is no "objective analysis" but am hoping may motivate those willing to try.

regards
Heera