amaroli -- dosage and concentration

[david_obsidian]

I have gained tremendous benefit from amaroli since I started it a little more than six months ago.

This is an observation/tip/invitation for comments.  It could be particularly useful for someone who does not like the taste.

If you have drunk a lot of fluids,  your kidneys will tend to get rid of a lot of water and your urine will be less concentrated.  You can easily see this by looking at the urine -- if you have drunk a lot of water recently,  it can be a golden color or even pale yellow.  With less water in your body it will be a much darker color.

My thinking is that water content of the urine dilutes it,  so that depending on how concentrated it is,  it may be appropriate to use more or less for morning amaroli.

My practice is to judge the concentration of the urine by looking at the color when it is in a white container.  (If you put it in a glass and place the glass on a white sink or surface you'll see it very well too.) If it is concentrated, I then dilute it with water until it is a nice golden color.  I aim for regular amount of this urine which is adjusted in concentration this way.

The other nice thing about this practice is that,  when it is too concentrated, the taste may be unpleasantly strong. With dilution,  it tends to be a lot better.

-D

[roberto128]

David:
What is your regimen? How much and how often?
Thanks,
Rob  

[david_obsidian]

Hello Roberto,

I do it in the morning as soon as I get up.  I drink around a glass  (half pint) of this concentration-adjusted urine of which I speak.

There is no hard and fast rule, but I think that about a glass or cup is what most people settle on.

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/amaroli.html

-David

quote:Originally posted by roberto128

David:
What is your regimen? How much and how often?
Thanks,
Rob  

[Victor]

same here. 8 oz first thing in the morning. I had been doing 4 oz for about 6 months and recently increased to 8. I feel that it is important to do on an empty stonach so first thing is best. I never mix with any food in my stomach though a little water feels fine. I liek what David said about adjusting for strength as it can be a little tough to take when it is highly concntrated. Seems like a basi Lager Beer color is best, not so palatable if it looks like a Guiness Stout.

[veritasophia]

I do the same, first thing in the morning.  I also drink everything that comes out until lunch time (about 4 glass fulls) - breakfast of champions .  Sometimes I'll have more during the rest of the day, depends on how I feel at the time; if I'm attracted to do so or not.

I usually save evening urine for the following morning's shower.  Its a very invigorating cleanser.

It may take a while to get used to, most people' reaction is .  If you treat it as help from God for your well-being, it may make it easier to drink up.  Enjoy!

[david_obsidian]

It may help people to know that freshly-passed urine is not really smelly at all either.

Urine only gets quite smelly after the air has had some time to react with it.


>> I do the same, first thing in the morning. I also drink everything that comes out until lunch time (about 4 glass fulls) - breakfast of champions

This is an interesting idea that I have not tried exactly,  but I have tried taking a small glass full about 20 minutes before lunch.
It definitely perks me up.

-D

[gkrheera]

I have been practicing amaroli for the last 18 months and it has greatly benifited me health wise. On reading damar tantra I found that shivambu can be combined with certain ayurvedic drugs to enhance benefits. Has anyone tried it?

[Alvin Chan]

Hi all,
 
I would like to try amaroli. Have a few questions:

1. Do I have to be more "advanced" in order to benefit from it?

2. How long does it usually take to see the benefits?

3. I have read from the lessons that a few drops are enough to have effects. Will the effects still be obvious if I just use a few drops?

4. Can I put that few drops into a large glass of water before I drink it?

5. Should I take it before or after my morning yoga practices?

Thanks for any sharing.

[david_obsidian]

Alvin,

don't be shy about starting your own thread,  btw.  That goes for a lot of other people on the forum too!

>> 1. Do I have to be more "advanced" in order to benefit from it?

Not at all.  But being 'advanced',  in the sense of being more highly attuned to your physical and mental energies,  may help you to notice it.  But you can be highly attuned to your energies and not notice it.  It is a very individual thing.

>> 2. How long does it usually take to see the benefits?

Some feel the effects straight away.  For others the benefits kick in in several weeks.

I noticed that I was cured of leprosy and tubercolosis straight away!  Faster than I had hoped from reading the scriptures!  

>> 3. I have read from the lessons that a few drops are enough to have effects. Will the effects still be obvious if I just use a few drops?

A few drops were enough to get me to notice it -- that's an individual thing again.  But a few drops was always my starting dose,  never my target dose.

Note that I was using the starting dosage of a few drops only because I was having significant side-effects as my body got used to it.  So I started on the small dosage and ramped my dosage up.

Some people can leap for the 'full' dosage without any noticeable side-effects.

>> 4. Can I put that few drops into a large glass of water before I drink it?

Certainly.  And then you can increase the number of drops over time until eventually you have close to the full dose of a cup of urine in the glass.

I see two possible reasons to want to do it this way.

One is if you are experiencing significant side-effects and need to ramp up slowly.

Another is the 'yuck' factor -- if you are finding it hard to drink your urine,  you can make it easy for yourself by starting with a very low concentration and ramping it up,  in which case you probably won't find it hard at all.  In this case,  you might want to start with more than a few drops,  say 2% urine in a glass (which you probably will hardly taste) and ramp that up: 2% for a week or two,  then 4%,  then onwards until you are consuming the 'full amount'.

If on the other hand,  you neither experience side-effects nor have any problems with the yuck-factor,  there is no reason not to go straight for (or much more quickly towards) the full dosage.

It is surely not the concentration of urine that matters,  but the amount of non-water urine substance that you consume.  I almost always dilute my own in water,  except in the rare cases when my urine is very dilute already (for example after I have drunk a lot of water).  And I only dilute because I prefer drinking it dilute.

  Do drink on an empty stomach though,  with nothing else but possibly water,  and give it twenty minutes before you eat or drink anything else.

>> 5. Should I take it before or after my morning yoga practices?

I do it first thing on getting up,  and before meditation,  and that is recommended in the tradition.  I do notice that the practice does pull my mind inwards a little and helps with the meditation.  

There are probably many different modes of action to amaroli (and I think one of them is hormesis) -- one of them may also be hormonal -- morning urine does contain hormones such as melatonin,  for example,  a hormone you secrete while asleep.  This (and this is purely speculative) may help you with the meditation.  

Regards,

-D

[Manipura]

David - Thanks for all the amaroli info.  I think I'd like to give it a whirl, but I'd like to know what you (or anyone else who's practicing this) think about doing the practice if one is a coffee drinker.  Do you think the caffeine or the acidic quality of the coffee negates any benefits?  Or is that irrelevant.  A naive question, I suspect, but I'm curious.  I wouldn't be drinking it alongside my morning coffee, of course, and I also wouldn't be mixing it into my morning coffee.    I think I'd be doing it first thing in the a.m.

Thanks for any responses.

[love]

David:  I was also wondering if you can do it on a fruit diet since fruit is very cleansing.  It seems like you will be drinking the toxins your body is releasing.  What do you do you think.

Thanks

[david_obsidian]

Meg,

no,  I don't expect any specific problems due to drinking coffee -- and see the answer to Love:

Love,

the idea of healing-by-hormesis is that the body's defenses are activated by exposing it to a small amount of a toxin.  It could be viewed in a way as giving your body's defenses some exercise.  

The toxins that would be in your own urine would be naturally tailored to your own needs and ideal for this stimulation of your defenses.

The way I see it,  the effect would probably only be enhanced if your fruit diet is leading to the elimination of extra toxins.

Of course,  hormesis is only good when the dosage is small -- obviously,  putting all,  or too much of the toxins back would be bad,  so drinking all of your urine would be obviously bad.  The dosage should be big enough to provoke a reaction,  but not so big that it produces significant toxicity of its own.  The yoga tradition has I expect found for us,  in the 'cup of urine' what is a good,  optimal dosage, small but not too small.

So Meg,  if your body is 'unhappy' with the coffee,  there may be some negative chemical result of that in your urine,  and your doing amaroli may stimulate your body to defend itself against that negative result.

Regards,

-David

[david_obsidian]

By the way,  hormesis is scientifically a perfectly respectable effect.  It shows up consistently in studies --

see:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis

Possible explanation
The reason for the hormesis phenomenon is not completely understood. It is conjectured that a low dose challenge with a toxin may jump start certain repair mechanisms in the body, and these mechanisms are efficient enough that they not only neutralize the toxin's effect, but even repair other defects not caused by the toxin. This is similar in principle to viral vector vaccines under development for diseases such as cancer and AIDS.

Similarly, continuing or intermittent mild stressors such as exercise, environmental fluctuations and even food limitations would seem to stimulate tolerance to sudden similar but more severe demands made upon the organism.



Interestingly,  btw, hormesis is found throughout the spectrum of life -- plants also exhibit it!

Hormesis is a perfectly respectable effect,  but it is not very well known in the scientific community.  One possible reason that it is not well-known is that it may have been scientifically stigmatized through association with homeopathy,  which does not produce any results in scientific studies.  Homeopathy is based on a similar theory,  but in homeopathy the dosage of the toxin is driven so low that no results can be found in scientific studies.

[love]

David:

Thanks. This is a great place.

Thank you Yogani for starting it.

[Victor]

I suggest to just do it. I have been doing amaroli 8 oz every morning for about a year. Hard to say if some of the changes that my body has gone through in the past year are due to amaroli or AYP or my job or relationship changes or the stars or political climate.....
 When I started I worried about diet. Now I just do it as habit before I brush my teeth and before sitting practice. It feels beneficial and I feel stronger and more balanced than before. Certainly no unpleasant or long term problems.