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yogani

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2008, 06:09:21 AM »
Hi Carson:

Yes, if Wilder can eventually do as well as Peaceful Warrior did in the translation to screen (even though quite piecemeal), it will be worthwhile. I am open to it, and recognize that it could be many years before someone able to do a decent piecemeal job comes along. As Millman points out, it is a net plus -- an audience widener. So why not, if and when the opportunity presents itself?

On the opposite end, the adaption to the screen of the Da Vinci Code was so true to the myriad details in the book that it tended to drag on the screen, getting bogged down in itself. It is just not possible to get a whole book onto the screen gracefully, so it is all in the adaption, which means leaving a lot out. Of course, the Da Vinci Code was guaranteed a degree of commercial success due to the popularity of the book and the Hollywood horsepower that was poured into it.

I don't think Wilder has to worry about being over-articulated in movie form the way the Da Vinci Code was. It is pretty expensive. We'd love to have that problem though.

I also remember that Carl Sagan was furious with what Hollywood was doing with his novel, Contact, and that there was even legal action about it. It is ironic, because Contact turned out to be a great movie, and a wonderful tribute to Carl Sagan and his work. Unfortunately, he passed away before he could see it.

Well, just to point out a few of the many contradictions and cross-currents that can be found in the movie business. So let's not take it too seriously, while keeping the door open at the same time. I think we are on the same page with that. Keep passing out those copies of Wilder! [:)]    

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2008, 07:17:21 AM »
Yes we are pretty much in agreement Yogani...It is great to spread the word of AYP by whatever means possible, I just personally think it is important NOT to dilute the message too much because it really undermines the integrity of the whole idea of AYP to me.  And sometimes that would make for a Da Vinci Code type thing and sometimes it would turn into a low budget independent movie noone will see but us AYPers.  So it's a fine line to me.  I guess it's all in having someone with an intimate knowledge of the AYP process and experience in screenplay adaptation working on the screenplay to maximize the effect possible for the widest audience possible.  It's possible I guess, but funding is a hurdle in and of itself in this day and age.  I will keep the idea in my mind should a proper connection make itself available.

Love,
Carson

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2008, 09:11:03 AM »
Well, for whatever is worth, here is my little story that connects The Way of the Peaceful Warrior movie and book, and AYP.

I was searching. The last few years I have been searching quite intensely for "something". Meaning to life, that "something else", because I just did not feel happy inside and things did not make sense, whatever was happening to me.

So I was open. I read avidly. I watched inspiring movies. And you know how this things are, if you are open and thirsty you will taste water everywhere, avidly [:)] And, at the same time, what you need (the answers) seem to come to you, quite magically really.

So, a friend of mine that I briefly met after a long time, while talking and trying to give me some advice or other, mentioned scenes of the movie peaceful warrior he had seen on youtube. Small scenes/snaphots of messages that "Socrates" was teaching Dan. Somehow those messages rang a bell inside. So I watched the same scenes in youtube and liked them. That brought up my curiosity for the book so I got it and read it and loved it.

That book further resonated with what I was feeling inside, thus bringing my thirst/desire ever higher. I just had to do something about that. I had to take a break for a few months from work, etc., to "find myself" or put things back together again. It was shortly after that I found AYP, while randomnly (not really, looking for things that resonated with me) surfing the web.

So, from my experience, well made material, once available and "eye-catching" can indeed fuel desire and help one in one's path. I think a Wilder movie can indeed do the same. At least "it's out there" for whoever needs it to see it.

gumpi

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2009, 12:14:54 AM »
Yogani,

Just a thought i had: wouldn't making a film of Wilder project you into the spotlight?  You seem to value your anonymity so i wondered about this.  

Also, there is a lot of sex in the book and i wonder how some of that would translate to film.  that is, some people might be turned off (no pun intended) by it.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2009, 02:51:29 AM »
I think it is up to the author if he wants to be in the spotlight. If you google the top ten movies of 2008, you won't know any of the authors. Before that, only the author of Harry Potter films seems to love the spotlight in recent history. And that's because she does tours and signings.

And Hollywood has become quite good at handling sex! I don't know if you have watched recent movies; but they just love to put it in there, anywhere from slight hints, to explicit.

If you watch TV for instance, you will notice that it is quite common for the camera to take an angle that looks down a woman's blouse, when that was not at all necessary for the story, and
it is much more often than what is normally seen in everyday life. There is tasteful and not, and they are quite expert at controlling that in Hollywood.

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2009, 04:49:32 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by gumpi

Also, there is a lot of sex in the book and i wonder how some of that would translate to film.


NC-17 rating is very permissive [;)]

Kavelian

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2010, 09:42:48 AM »
Hi there this is my first post on the forum.

I work in the film industry and I thought I could share some of my experience with you. I work in post production but I have worked for production companies in the past.
The first thing I can point out is why films are different from the books. It's not that filmmaker bastardize the books, it's just that we are talking about a different medium. A film is about what you see, a play is about what you say and a book is about what you think or feel while the action takes place. Therefore, anything that cannot be understood visually will be lost in the adaption to film. In a film, you cannot explain. Explaining something is called exposition and makes for a bad movie. If too much explanation is need then you are better off with the documentary format to tell your story. Sometime material doesn’t make it into the movie because film follows a precise 3 act structure where the main plot unfolds with a beginning, middle and end. This is generally true for books too but in book, it is not uncommon to introduce new and sometime major plot throughout the story. You can read a book while you are focused, when you lose interest, you put the book down a pick it up at a later time. You can’t do that with a film and the audience must stay focused throughout the film in order to enjoy it. That’s why the 3 act structure is used, because it is designed to sustain the attention of the audience. Then there is rhythm within the acts to alternate intense moments and moments where the audience can relax. If you pile on intense moments over intense moments like it is sometimes done in Hollywood, a more sophisticated audience will get tired and walk out of the theater or fall asleep.

I haven’t read the book yet but I can give an example with the first page where a character watches a butterfly on the beach while longing for an inner transformation similar to what the butterfly experiences. In a movie, we have a guy watching a butterfly on the beach. So we lost the deeper meaning. If you have your character explains that he longs for inner transformation then you have exposition. Big NO NO. But if our character experiences a spiritual transformation later on in the film, that’s when you bring back the butterfly again. Now the audience creates a link between transformation and the butterfly, the first scene now makes sense and the metaphor is not lost.

Someone talked about shooting scenes. It's important to point out that shooting scenes is a great exercise for aspiring filmmakers but it will not help to submit the scenes along with the screenplay. It will actually most likely hurt the project. The reasoning is that as good of a filmmaker one might be, without the budget to shoot high quality scenes, it will end up looking like a student film, which is fine but that's not really the image you want to project to a production company. You want to appear as professional as you can, even if you are faking it. I worked for a company that threw away without reading all submissions that came in with extra material like artwork or scenes. While this is not a general rule and some companies are more open minded, in my opinion it's better to focus on getting a strong script than to create extra material. The idea is if the company wants artwork, they will hire a professional artist, if the company wants to see scenes, they will hire professional filmmakers. If the company assumes you are a professional screenwriter, the only thing they want from you is a good script. If you try to do everything, you will most likely be branded as an “amateur”.

Shopping the book or shopping a screenplay? It is really hard to get anyone to read your screenplay in Hollywood. It is even harder to get them to read a book since there’s a lot more to read. They pay reader to read material so the bigger it is the more they pay for it to be read (in essence). So a screenplay is better because companies have most of the work done already, they just have to do a couple re-writes to get it to their liking. The problem then is that most the cost of writing the screenplay falls on the author of the book and not on the company, which is why they like it.

Well there is a lot more to say but I hope this helps for now.

Kavelian

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2010, 02:59:22 PM »
Hi Kavelian, and welcome. [:)]

Thanks much for the overview from your perspective inside the industry.

I agree that the screenplay is the key. It is a matter of coming up with a good one. That is what drives the whole process. Can't blame production companies for being picky -- many millions are spent to put a story on the screen based on those 100 or so double-spaced pages. The screenplay had better be good -- very good.

As you will "see" when you read it, the Secrets of Wilder is largely a visual story, because that is the way it came to me. The spiritual journey of John Wilder is conveyed with elements of adventure, drama, romance/sexual tension, and comedy. Of course, important parts of the imagery are "internal." Some of that can be expressed beautifully with digital effects, to a degree that supports the overall flow of the story (not to overdo it).

It is a given that we will not be able to put all of the Wilder story into a screen adaption. As you point out, it will have to be distilled into a much shorter visual experience that illuminates the essence, while making it an even more captivating story at the same time. That is the creative challenge.

The Wilder movie project has been on the back burner since my last post above two years ago. There have been a series of other projects demanding full attention here since then. Perhaps at some point circumstances will permit work to begin in earnest on a screenplay. I have mixed feelings about tackling it by myself. A talented screenwriter assisting would be much preferred. Whenever the time comes to address it, we will do the best we can with what we have.

Thanks again for your sage advice, and all the best on your continuing path in practices!

The guru is in you.


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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 11:27:56 AM »
This post is a little late..but WOW this is such a great idea. The idea of making a movie regarding AYP has been crossing my mind a lot lately...so many cool things that could be done with it. What a pleasure to find this idea is already circulating around. Hope this will one day be on the big screen and reaching out to millions.

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 12:25:09 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by faileforever

Hope this will one day be on the big screen and reaching out to millions.


Me too. [:)]


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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2012, 01:05:24 AM »
I think you may like this short TV series called, "John From Cincinnati": http://www.tv-links.eu/tv-shows/John-from-Cincinnati_24502/

It's about a young man named John. It takes place near the beach. Miracles occur. I think if you watch it you will be very intrigued. They used a really cool technique to demonstrate the connectedness of all things within the Unified Consciousness of God. I think this could be a great model to follow when creating the flow of events for the screenplay.

Daniel