Ajna and Crown

[Katrine]

Thank you, Weaver!

That was really summing things up for me.



May all your Nows be Here

[david_obsidian]

Weaver said:
If you mean perceived level of activity, this is not quite in line with what I experience. I have had about the same level of pulsations in the crown for about 2 months, but they are still as noticeable as when they started.

Nothing you've said contradicts what I said Weaver.  It just indicates that your crown has not been in steady-state for the last two months.  Two months is nothing!  You could spend your whole life feeling your crown opening like that.

Yogani said:
Over time the crown sensations will be stronger in concert with overall purification in the nervous system.

Yes.  If te crown area is being 'purified' it will probably be felt.

Maybe what I meant by 'steady state' is ambiguous and not the best phrase.  Perhaps 'in normal function' would be a better phrase. According to my understanding,  our chakras are not 'designed' to be drawing attention to themselves in normal function.   No more than our livers,  our kidneys,  or our brains themselves! They are 'presenting' because of changes and transitions -- expansions,  purifications.  Just like growing pains in adolescence.  So by 'steady state' I mean normal function,  without purifications/transitions.  I didn't mean 'outside the short-term'.

There is no saying how long 'purification' will last.  A lifetime maybe?

In short:  chakras presenting themselves would be purification,  not purity.

I hope that clears it up and we are 'on the same page' now.

regards,

-David

[Manipura]

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

 According to my understanding,  our chakras are not 'designed' to be drawing attention to themselves in normal function.   No more than our livers,  our kidneys,  or our brains themselves! They are 'presenting' because of changes and transitions -- expansions,  purifications.  

This is also my understanding of chakra states, as well as that of Osho, so it must be correct!  

[david_obsidian]

Oh,  so Osho agrees with me about this? [OK then,  let's see ... aha]   A flawless and perfect Guru he was indeed.  We are honored and priveleged to have had him amongst us in bodily form.

See,  I can play guru-politics too when I want to!  

[Manipura]

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

See,  I can play guru-politics too when I want to!  

Indeed, and you might consider applying for guru-ship yourself, as you have the qualifications:  humility, grace, and a purified crown!  All hail guru Obsidian!    As for the rest of us meatheads, what are we to make of our lack of crown activity?  Does an inert crown indicate a higher state?  Doubtful, in most cases.  When is it safe to assume that an inactive crown suggests a higher level of awareness?  

Another question:  Why the big deal about the crown, anyway?  Is it b'c it houses the sahasrar, the opening of which is arrived at only after years of cleansing and devotion to one's guru?  I ask this b'c it makes little sense to me that the crown should be singled out as the chakra extraordinaire, any more than the liver, kidney or heart should be hailed as the organ of choice.  I have a lot of throat and ajna activity, which is a very cool thing for me, but I've not once experienced any activity at the root.  

What's my point, you ask?  This:  ANY chakra activity indicates purification, and the 'lower' chakras are not of lesser significance than the 'higher' ones.  Shakti emerges from the root, divine love at the heart, divine grace at the throat, and so on; each as significant as the other.  My understanding is that in the state of ultimate purification, the chakras fuse to become a mega-chakra, at which point muladar and sahasrar, and every chakra inbetween, become indistinguishable.

[alan]

[]I like that, megachakra. We are all megachakra. How about bindumegachakra?

[david_obsidian]

quote:Originally posted by meg
Indeed, and you might consider applying for guru-ship yourself, as you have the qualifications:  humility, grace, and a purified crown!  All hail guru Obsidian!  

Thanks Meg.  Humility I have in abundance,  but I cannot claim a 'purified crown'.

Seriously,  if you start to see a lot of 'humility' from me,  that might be the time to watch out and start running away.  That might be an indication that I am getting up onto a trip.  I'm trying to help the world de-mythologize enlightenment right now.  If I reverse and start to cultivate the mythologization of it (as per the more conventional yoga tradition),  that could be an indication that I have sold out to the dark side.

quote:Originally posted by meg
 When is it safe to assume that an inactive crown suggests a higher level of awareness?

Never.  And it's never safe to assume that an active crown suggests a higher level of awareness either.  Which is really my main point here.  Perceived activity = (in good cases) purification.  Something is throwing some trash out of your head.  What more could you ask for?

If part of you is begging to have a mark of 'higher awareness' (and that's probably true to some extent of almost all of us),  that part of you is marked as trash also,  for eventual dissolution.

[Shanti]

Meg, the crown chakra opening prematurely causes a lot of emotional turmoil.. and is very uncomfortable. The point of AYP is to be gentle about the purification. That is why Yogani tries to keep us away from the crown.
Look at these lessons, Yogani explains it very well... and I will tell you this, the things he says are all true.. I have first hand experience of this to some degree..
http://www.aypsite.com/plus/199.html
 

quote:Lesson#199: The problem is that, if our nervous system
between the root and the crown is not purified enough, kundalini
energy will begin tearing through everything to get to the crown.
This is what produces so-called excessive kundalini symptoms, which
can include a counterpart of emotional difficulty as well.

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/201.html

[david_obsidian]

My understanding is that in the state of ultimate purification, the chakras fuse to become a mega-chakra, at which point muladar and sahasrar, and every chakra inbetween, become indistinguishable.

Which is another way of saying that they shut up and let us live life.  

The megachakra -- would that be the Meg O'Chakra?

I don't believe in 'ultimate purification',  by the way.  For any form,  a higher form is possible.  With the possible exception maybe, of my very own daddy.

[david_obsidian]

Shanti said:
That is why Yogani tries to keep us away from the crown.

The statement needs a little qualification.  More accurately,  he's trying to help us avoid premature crown awakening.  See the lesson you referred to.  It's much more nuanced than 'trying to keep us away from the crown'.

[Shanti]

I agree David.. my mistake.. That is why Yogani tries to keep us away from the crown premature crown awakening
Sorry.

Also while I am in the correction mode.. let me clarify one more thing..
".. I have first hand experience of this to some degree.. "
Not of the wonderful experiences that happen with a smooth opening.. but first hand knowledge of the "excessive kundalini symptoms" and "emotional difficulty" with premature opening.

[Jim and His Karma]

Directing one's attention to a spot opens that spot. This is the basis of self-healing and lots of other things. Attention paid during a period of spiritual work greatly amplifies that effect. And attention paid to a chakra during a period of spiritual work amplifies it further still. I mean ANY kind of attention.

And attention at the crown is hard to resist, since the crown is the brass ring, the siren, and the surprise ending all rolled into one. AYP is about not going there....at least until the very late stages. Which, in my understanding (and experience) is about not working there, not visualizing there, not putting attention there, not witnessing there....just letting it be, and constantly reinforcing the pathway from mulha to ajna (and letting that "nourish" the crown indirectly, as Yogani assures us it will). I pretend the crown doesn't even exist.

I could relate lots of anecdotal and theoretical rationale for this, but Yogani's already done so very well.

If you put attention to crown, if you show interest in crown, it will seduce and entice you. I find AYP as-is seduction and enticement enough, and likely will for some years to come.

[axelschlotzhauer]

In the section of locked postings I found a reference to this string on crown chakra and ajna.

Together with lessons there is a body of knowledge and practice not present in the active discussions on pressure in the third eye, kundalini experience and drilling a channel from ajna to the back of the head.

Ideas?

Axel

I take the experience here and the third eye as the spinal nerve and the "white" hole in the head.

Ideas