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Originally posted by crazymandrew
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until eventually convinced by the School of Hard Knocks that not only was it NOT working, it was actually making my life worse, so I gave up
I can really really relate to this. I've had periods where I feel as if I'm being targeted by a lot of negative spirits for doing manifestation work! I also have had periods were for instance, I swear that I find better music if I don't bother with doing an manifestation work. It's almost like natural was better for finding music.
On the flip side. Thoughts definitely work for protection. I swear when ever I'm feeling bad vibes or uncomfortable, I think of peace and protection and I feel better. I haven't really had any problems with people since I started using law of attraction for protection.
I would argue that New Age Spirituality is really arrogant on this subject. They make it sound easier than it actually is. I think Manifestation can be as difficult as reaching Enlightenment is some ways. It's like an art form.
Stand Up comedians poke fun at books like "The Secret" (which is about manifestation). I can understand why a lot of people don't believe you create your reality with thought.
I truly believe I create my own reality with thoughts. But there are a lot of negative forces out there that make it difficult to use it's full potentially for positive things. Not only that there are lot of factors involved. It can be done though!
I love Basher's 7 steps of manifestation:
1. Vision
2. Desire (for the vision)
3. Belief (have to believe it's possible)
4. Acceptance (of the belief)
5. Intention (you expect something to happen)
6. Action (you act like something is going to happen)
7. Allowance (no attachment to results, a paradox of manifestation)
The video got taken down from youtube! It was a great video, stinks! I think step 3 and step 5 are the most important. Step 5 truly makes things show up in your life, it's pretty cool!
By the way, this guy actually claims to be an Alien! I'm not Joking! He is really interesting if you check out some of his youtube videos.
Hmmm... I think our experience is really different here. When I talked about "The School of Hard Knocks" and making my life WORSE by practicing "manifesting" in my youth, I simply meant that I wasted my energy "visualizing," etc., as opposed to getting off my ass and actually DOING something, like WORKING harder and saving money and/or finding serious investors. Instead, I listened to my New Age rock star friend who shared my dream of opening a music & meditation center and always assured me, "Yes, I BELIEVE it's going to happen!" but when it got down to it, he in fact did nothing concrete to help. So our "belief" made it worse from a purely practical standpoint because nobody was doing a damn thing to actually make it happen.
Unlike you, I've never had a problem with being "targeted by negative spirits." I have only myself to blame for my failures. I'm not worried about "negative forces," especially since becoming perimenopausal and embracing my own dark side.
And I don't feel that I need "protection" from anybody because I can't really be harmed.
Now when you mentioned, e.g., "thinking of peace" to change a negative vibe, that sounds more like classical samyama and yes, it is very doable! I have often used it to change the energy in a room, to avert a tantrum by a rowdy toddler, to calm a panicking horse or interact with a snake or other wild animal.
The steps you listed are the same ones my Life Coach friend uses in her program, where she goes into great depth and detail, and I followed it to the letter and was sure it would "work," but it didn't (at least not on the physical plane). Steps #3 and 5 were easy for me; I'm guessing I failed mostly at step #2.
If you are able to manifest physical reality via thought, good for you, but all I'm saying is I myself personally have seen not a shred of empirical evidence for it. After discussing this a while back with Karl, who is an expert on the subject, and Etherfish, who swears that it works for him, I ended up concluding that even if it were possible to create physical things via mental energy, it would be a lot of work, and why bother? I mean, where does it end? Fulfill one desire and two more will come up to take its place. So do you end up having to micro-manage the universe? I would rather just go with the flow and be happy with whatever God sends.
Now, I DO agree that "our thoughts create our reality" in some respects. E.g., we can accomplish more when we are confident, focused and motivated, and consciously align ourselves with the Divine will. But more importantly, we decide whether to be happy or not. We choose how we will respond to whatever life brings. When our happiness is not contingent upon external circumstances, that is true freedom.
And that is what a lifetime of yoga practice has "manifested" for me: The constant ecstasy of Divine Love, and the quieting of the monkey-mind with its desires and fears. Presumably (assuming the system does "work") that would explain my failure at step #2. Maybe I just don't WANT anything else badly enough...
Anyway, thanks a lot for your feedback.