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Naz

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« on: May 09, 2007, 11:44:38 PM »
In this topic I’d like to touch a number of issues related to the Sexuality, Sexual Stimulation and Sexual Desires (Wet Dreams, Emotional Energy Exchange) in the context of Spiritual Development.

The main idea I’d like to put forward:

Sexuality and its related phenomena are not conducive to Spirituality and higher Spiritual Wisdom in its pure sense

In simple words: Sex is bad, demonic, dirty, imbecilic and downgrading.

Nevertheless, sexuality and its related phenomena are there in our daily life and have their bearing on the minds of humans. Therefore, an understanding of their way of functioning along with their effects and causes is required to handle them competently.

Since this forum is mostly about the so called ‘sacred sexuality’, and nowadays one easily finds lots of literature (often based on the heritage of very ancient spiritual traditions) glorifying and extolling the spiritual side of sexuality, I’ll try and explain the spiritual bearing of the sexual emotions, the opportunities they provide for deeper spiritual insights and profound restructuring of the nervous system (which actually means the profound restructuring of the mind on all its levels), as well as the cost at which these effects are achieved and the serious spiritual drawbacks they involve, when produced through accumulation and sublimation of sexual energy.

For those of the readers who have regular sexual life (practice) and try to incorporate the Tantric principles into it, I can only approve it.

However, for those truly interested in the purest and most sublime spiritual experience, it should be remembered, that the sexual spirituality is the ‘lesser evil’, something one should be ready to fully (or almost fully, with the exclusion of rare special cases) cast away on some more advanced stage. To explain this, for example, if you can’t help following your sexual desires and have no power and purity of mind to get rid of them, better go the Tantric way. It is better to have the Tantric, spiritual sex, than have its lower forms. It is doubtlessly better to have the pre-orgasmic sex than simply waste your energy to get a temporary relief from the pressure of sexual energy. And it is doubtlessly possible (provided you have sufficient skill level of energy control) to stream the sexual energy upwards and have interesting results in terms of spiritual experience.

However, please mark it well: all the sexuality phenomena are ruled by the demonic group of energies. These are the energies capable of giving sharp insights and breakthroughs into the fabrics of the mind. But, unless properly balanced by the Sattvic energies, or by the Heavenly group, they inevitably enslave the mind and bind you to the darker, lower regions of reality.

Referring to the language of Astrology, stimulation of the sexuality related parts of the human body can be related to certain energies and energy combinations, which provides a clear view of the scope of effects sexuality is capable to bring about. Stimulation of sexually sensitive parts of the body will enforce the corresponding energies and promote all (not only the sexual) effects they are related to through the mechanics of our natal charts. These effects may vary from very bad through averagely neutral to quite good and positive ones. One should understand the mechanics of Samyama with celestial bodies to read and interpret them comprehensively.

For this short notice here it may be mentioned, that:

* Stimulation of male genitalia (specifically the Penis excluding the testicles) provides a boost to the Vrishcika (Scorpio) energy;
* Stimulation of the female genitalia provides a boost of Kumbha (Aquarius) energy;
* Stimulation of the anus provides a boost of Makara energy.

These three energies are the darkest and most Tamasic out of the 12 astrological energies. They are the most destructive, disintegrating and downgrading energies available in our world. Two of them correspond to Rahu (female vagina) and Ketu (male penis), and are very promptly characterized by the ancient sages as the vile demons attempting to devour the pure Sattvic luminaries (the Sun and the Moon).

It should also be noted here, that Samyama with certain astrological energies placed in certain Bhava positions is capable to make a person exceedingly libidinous and sexually virile, capable of accumulating powerful amounts of sexual energy and extending the sexual emotions and their related enjoyments and pleasures into superhuman (above ordinary human) dimensions. These excessive amounts of sexual energy are capable of producing far reaching breakthroughs in spiritual life, when directed to the upper regions of the mind world. Persons naturally inclined to this excessive sexuality and lacking the skills of other ways of energy control, may find the Tantra path very effective for their spiritual growth. I, nevertheless, would like to emphasize, that Spiritual Sex is no match for the more sublime and delicate techniques of spiritual growth. Given the proper knowledge and skills, a person having good, or excellent results with Tantric sex, would doubtlessly have hundreds times more profound integrated results, having learned to control his/her energy currents without involving (without emphasizing) the lower chakras and duality related (material) qualities.

This should be enough, I believe, for this message. More details can be provided further.

I can only add here, that having tried and tested I am happy to be on the path of celibacy. It has proven its immense value for the true clarity of mind and ability to extend and expand my vision, while retaining the balance of innocent mind.

Celibacy is not holding back the sexual desire. If you are struggling with your sexual desires and holding them back (avoiding the physical contact) to accumulate the energy, it’s not a true celibacy any more. Either you should correct your mind to remove the excessive dirty sexuality from it (and this is easily accomplishable with proper balanced Samyama), or maybe you should consider getting involved into some real sex and love emotions, in order to try what they can give you. I can assure you, they would not give you even the tiniest fraction of the bliss and serenity, a true celibacy is capable to provide. Yet, some people have to go a very long path to understand this. But remember always: True celibacy is, first of all, the celibacy of mind.
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 12:58:33 AM »
I'm going to have to disagree based on every intuition I have, and being admittedly not very schooled on the esoteric canonology. However, your argument seems quite reminiscent of Christianity or other monotheistic religions, whose basis for the demonization of sexuality no doubt lies in the fact that reproduction was very demanding back then and they did not have reliable methods of birth control so premarital sex = good chance of having a kid you couldn't take care of and will probably die of the elements early on.

I agree with you that celibacy could and I'm sure does provide a serenity and "purity" of the mind that one who is often directed by thier sexual urges could only wish for...however, I do not feel sexuality is "demonic". That is to employ a dualistic notion...moreso, a very esoteric one. I do not think sexuality in and of itself is a bad thing, even non-reproductive sex. Like many things in this world it is something that is easily abused by human beings.

I admit sometimes I really do feel a tinge of something when I read about the Christian views of premarital sex and how sex creates an unbreakable bond between you and the person that you carry all your life...but then you could read the opposite elsewhere. There is something to be said about the average persons' need to discipline their urges if short of celibacy...but I think as with most things that provide pleasure they are not inherently good or bad. To imagine that God planted entheogenic drugs, provided us with sensitive tastebuds and the ability to cook, provided us with the orgasm, ect simply to "test" our "worthiness" of spirituality doesn't seem to make sense to me.


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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 07:20:12 AM »
Naz said:
In simple words: Sex is bad, demonic, dirty, imbecilic and downgrading.


Naz, I think you have to look at where that kind of talk is coming from.  I don't think it is intellect, or spiritual intuition -- I'd say it is purely emotional, and we aren't talking about the best of emotions here.  Let's put it this way: do people with healthy and fulfilling emotional-sexual lives talk like that?  And if not, why not?

The priesthood of Christianity was full of talk like that centuries back.  These were people who,  as a result of the celibacy-imposing 'system' they were in, could not have healthy and fulfilling emotional-sexual lives.  Since they were in charge of religion, they imbued the religion with negative emotional distortions with respect to sex -- distortions that are just never found in the sexually fulfilled.

I'm not happy to be giving a response that almost looks ad-hominem.  It's not ad-hominem in a deeper sense though -- I wish you no ill and am not trying to win an argument with you.  Rather, I don't want negative teachings like that against sex,  rooted as they are always in personal psychological issues,  to propagate and do the kind of harm that they did centuries back.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 08:25:49 AM »
Sex, like certain drugs, seems to be such a grey area when it comes to Yoga and spirituality. I do not think deep down that there is a right or wrong on these issues, it's all about context.

Naz, if you would elaborate on your post in response mine and David's response, I would be interested in what you have to say on this issue.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 08:25:49 AM »
A controversial topic, for sure.  David, while I agree with your post entirely, I'd just like to point out that sexuality is not sattvic...not even tantric sex.  I think that may have been all that Naz was trying to say.  Using words like "demonic" and "evil" does really mislead, though.[}:)]

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 09:04:08 AM »
Scott said:
I'd just like to point out that sexuality is not sattvic...not even tantric sex.


Yes, I'd agree with that entirely too.  Of course, sattvic is just an energetic classification in yoga,  and non-sattvic doesn't mean 'impure', 'bad' or 'dirty'.

I think that may have been all that Naz was trying to say. Using words like "demonic" and "evil" does really mislead, though.

I think you are just being too kind to what she said and the way she said it.  She made a little rant against sex,  for whatever reason.  You could say that there are some things that could be said with balance, about sex, which have some things in common with some things that were said in the rant.  Fair enough. [}:)]

Looks like the demons are out in force today, eh? [;)] [}:)][}:)][}:)]
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 09:33:21 AM »
David,

quote:
Of course, sattvic is just an energetic classification in yoga, and non-sattvic doesn't mean 'impure', 'bad' or 'dirty'.


I agree with that 100%.  It's more like a spectrum, where tamasic is on one end and rajasic on the other, with sattvic smack dab in the middle.  I'm not absolutely certain of this, because I'm not a yogic scholar or anything, but isn't sattvic always ideal to the yogi?

To be clear, what's ideal or detrimental to the yogi doesn't always correspond to what's right or wrong ethically.

quote:
I think you are just being too kind to what she said and the way she said it. She made a little rant against sex, for whatever reason. You could say that there are some things that could be said with balance, about sex, which have some things in common with some things that were said in the rant. Fair enough.


It's also fair to point it out when someone is being too dogmatic, as you did here.  It does seem that Naz was being that way.  I just always like to play the devils advocate for some reason. [}:)][:o)]

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2007, 09:47:06 AM »
Rape is bad, demonic, dirty, imbecilic and downgrading. Using sex to control people is too.
It is easy for people who have been a victim of such things to expand all of sex into that classification.

The other side of the coin is the bad, demonic, dirty, imbecilic and downgrading things that happen when people are coerced into believing that celibacy is the spiritual answer to these sex crimes. Read the news.
I think choosing a moderate, middle ground is more realistic for most people. If someone has so much bhakti as to be celibate for the right reasons, they probably won't think of sexual acts very much, talk about them, or judge them. Celibacy would come naturally, just as sex does.
The danger is in thinking celibacy makes you better than other people.

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2007, 05:10:05 PM »
Hm. Thank you for an interesting post, Naz. When I read your post, I could draw so many parallells to the "tantra - the map"-thread. I got the feeling you have read that thread and wanted to add info. Is that true, Naz, or is it just my idea?

We talked about the same issue there, but with other words. The road of leaving sexuality for higher love. That is what I see Naz's post is about, and that she favours the method of celibacy in mind, thought and action over the tantric method. That is actually exactly the dilemma I brought up in that tantra-thread, but with other words. Same, same but different expressions only, in my eyes. I also reacted on the words you reacted on, since I no longer believe in epithets like "good" or "evil" - rather I have adopted a perspective of "inhibiting or empowering spritiual development", and then words of that kind is not necessary. But I understand what is meant behind the words - sex is on the inhibititing side of the spectrum.

Actually it was informative to me, confirming my feeling that sexuality always draws you back to feelings, emotions, wounds and mind stuff - creating drama in my life. Even tantric sex. So I got very interested in the way of celibacy.

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Celibacy is not holding back the sexual desire. If you are struggling with your sexual desires and holding them back (avoiding the physical contact) to accumulate the energy, it’s not a true celibacy any more.


This is making me very curious. What do you mean here, Naz? Can you elaborate? How can I without holding back sexual desire, and still have physical contact with a man go the celibate road that you recommend? Please, give concrete examples. What would my contact with a man look like mentally, sexually, physically, if I wanted to follow your model?

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2007, 01:06:46 AM »
I think Naz means that to be truly celibate you need to not even have the urge to engage in sexual conduct, it should come naturally. If it is something you actively struggle against and you still have the part of your mind saying "hey, go have sex" its not true celibacy, only in body not in mind.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2007, 03:59:30 AM »
Hi Naz,
Thank you for your great description of the tantric path. I was just wondering though... I can't work out why you call this a criticism of sexual spirituality. You seem to be saying (if I read you rightly), that someone who still has the sexual urge and feels the desire to express themselves through that (to act it out) should do so, and that the best way they can do this is through tantric lovemaking (pre-orgasmic). But that when someone has transformed the energies to a point where they no longer feel sexual urges, or the desire to act on them, then a celibate lifestyle is preferable, celibate in act and in thought.

That does not seem like a criticism, but rather an affirmation.

Maybe you should re-title the thread "a discussion on sexual spirituality". Everyone on the spiritual path must transcend sexuality at some point, but words like: bad, demonic, dirty, imbecilic and downgrading could just make us feel guilty or sinful until we reach that point. In fact it is possible that the very association of sex with such concepts could create such negative energy in our minds that we never reach the point of transcending the erotic and rising into the ecstatic (as Yogani puts it).

How many priests or monks are trapped in this cycle. Suppressing their sexual feelings believing that they are of the devil, whilst limiting their spiritual development through that very act of suppression? Believing that they are doing something wrong everytime a sexual thought or feeling arises. That kind of attitude is likely to lead only to guilt and self-hatred, rather than to love and self-acceptance.

Why not simply say that sex is not the highest possible form of human expression and existence, and is not an experience of the pinnacle of human evolution, but whilst we still practice it (and feel it), we should enjoy it to its fullest potential, and at the same time, raise the energies of sex to transformational levels?

We might actually get somewhere beautiful.  [;)] [:p]


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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2007, 01:06:49 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Naz
I’d like to touch a number of issues related to the Sexuality, Sexual Stimulation and Sexual Desires (Wet Dreams, Emotional Energy Exchange) in the context of Spiritual Development.



You said you intended to touch on the topic of wet dreams, but didn't.  Would you kindly share about your current experience of wet dreams and how that relates to your views?
Thanks you very much for your consideration of my question.

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2007, 01:35:51 AM »
O.K. Thanks everyone for your replies. It was very interesting to read them. When people express their views on sexuality and related issues it’s actually quite insightful and helps understand their background better.

Out of the people who replied me there’s only Anthony who seems to be a new person to me and his replies look quite naive, from which I conclude that he wasn’t following the previous discussions I had here on Samyama issues. Everybody else has already spoken in my threads, it’s the same old people. I have an impression that there actually are not really so many active participants of this forum. It may be a few dozens tops. Don’t you guys think it would be a good idea for you to get together and meet physically once in a time with the people you talked to so many times? Think of it. An AYP Forum Party (or Conference, if you prefer that style)?

As to your answers…

Well, David, I thought you were smarter than that. At least I had that impression half a year back. I’m wondering, is it your ‘healthy and fulfilling emotional-sexual life’, that contributed to your mental development and spiritual sharpness so remarkably, or had I overestimated your discriminative level from the very beginning?

Don’t you feel I’m just playing with you? Giving some extra emotional flavour, so the dogs have something to bark at? Where is he actually, that loud and angry one, LeDog? Chasing the rabbits on the Fields of spiritual combat? Fighting the Ego (have I told you already, Ego actually enjoys to be fought with, it thrives when pushed hardly into a corner, because this ensures an opportunity for it to receive the maximum attention and engage into the never-ending conflict)?

Do you remember Mahesh’s words: “We don’t fight with the darkness, we just switch on the light”. That was actually quite a neat pointed one out of his aphorisms, very close to the Truth. I think Mahesh had a good start and his soul was a very high level one when he became a Guru. But the further he went into the material side of his expansion, the more he got tangled and degraded from his original spiritual level. His best and purest teachings were his first ones, made within the beginning decades. He also has a good skill to make a nice start for the things, even up till now. His best ideas are always to be found in his establishing speeches. Mars is his dominating energy: Tamasic and enslaving, but full of unshakable wisdom in its deepest roots. Sharply piercing into the new ways, balancing the luring half-truth with the candy wrapping of Maya, but always established in the origin. Have you traced the Drona’s fate in Mahabharata? That’s a very good example of the Mars dominated psyche…

But anyway, I’m going too far away from the topic…

So, what was it? Ah, the Sexuality?... I already feel somewhat bored with this topic… There’s so much of interest in the realms above it…

But, a few more words for the seeking ones. Why do some people find it so difficult to break free from it? Because the Tamasic energies called to life during the Sexual intercourse are very strong. They leave inscriptions on the stone of your soul which you would not erase in years and years (and maybe lives and lives) to come. Yes, it is true that your sexual partners stay with you for a very long time on the level of the mind. Especially your first sexual partners, as their sexual energy is untouched and innocent within the given lifetime (and they hardly have the energy control skills to reach to their relations from the previous lives; the God’s greatest blessing of forgetfulness is still on them, they don’t feel the weight of the incredible burden of millions of relationships they’ve already been into; they had been blessed to forget the habit of directing their energy into these relationships and have an opportunity for a new, better start, once more). Even if your time-limited physical contact did not seem to be specially strong or emotional, once you engage into physical sex with someone, there’s a habit developed on your Samskaras’ level for you to direct your sexual energy into connection with that person. You may realize your stronger energy connection only after some longer period of time.

And once you have this connection, your and your partner’s minds are interweaved forever, whether you want it, or not. This is a connection you’ll finally have an adequate chance to break free from only when you leave this body. Have never heard? Orgasm is like a little death (that’s why it is capable to give new life). Only the physical death can fully compensate and wipe away the energy connections an Orgasm creates.

That’s why if you are going to engage into sexual relationship, most religions recommend to have a steady relationship with one partner (or several partners), rather that changing your partners like underwear. There’s more to it than just Sex. If you can’t help going into physical Sex, try at least to make it your engine for your thoughtful, long-term and deep spiritual value based energy connections with the other humans (your wife/husband, your permanent partner etc.) It is the spiritual/emotional value, which counts the most, not the physical side. And it is the inner, spiritual value of any relationship, which provides the most opportunities for your evolution and understanding of the energy world.

However, for an innocent mind (free from the bondage of lower sexual energy connections) many avenues are open. Such a mind has a flexibility and freedom unconstrained, unchained by the infusion of other conditioned individual souls with all their dirt, material aspirations, unresolved spiritual conflicts, fears, crimes, stress etc. An innocent mind is free to fly with the Gods. Gods create and procreate by will power only. By the power of Holy Spirit (think of the chaste conception of virgin Mary).

Relating to my private experience, I was unfortunate to have willingly entered a few sexual relationships in my younger years. At that time I had no purity of mind and wisdom to realize what will it deprive me of. All of these few relationships became a heavy chain around my legs in my subsequent attempts to reach the higher and more sublime energy realms. I had to drag my former sexual partners all the way long together with me, their energy lines were always together with me in my mind, and felt more and more of a nuisance the further I moved. Some of their material aspirations became inhibitive of my energy allocation style and dragged me down and away from the path I was trying to follow. I had to repay the energy exchange debts my Sexual Connections had created thousand-fold to become relatively free only after years of celibate practice. Even now, when my mind is clear of the sexual thoughts, a distant echo of past is always lurking somewhere in the darker corners of my soul. It is enough for me to accidentally trip over a few sex-related Samyama combinations in my research to call the Sex related Samskaras of this life back to my mind and have to spend another day or two cleaning the waves of dirt they arouse.

Also, speaking about my individual private experience, I shape-shift my mind at the pace unreachable by ordinary human. Any deeper and permanent energy connection with some other normal person would be like harnessing a horse together with an automobile. I think such a harness would be a problem and a great slow down both for the horse and for the automobile.

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Relating to my Samyama threads, it might be interesting for those who follow them, that I wrote my last messages on Samyama (may 9th and may 10th) with Mithuna energy activated in the 11th Bhava (incl. to 12th), then I changed the location of the Mithuna object to the 7th (incl. to 6th) and wrote the first message in the Sexuality related thread. And finally this last message is written with the Mithuna in the 3rd Bhava (incl. to 2nd), which I activated since yesterday afternoon. The changes are obvious for those who do have eyes trained to see the energies. The remaining 5 energies of the Heavenly group (Dhanu, Meena, Simha, Karka, Kanya) remained on the same positions (i.e. 9th incl. 10th, 5th incl. to 4th, 10th incl. to 9th, 4th incl. to 5th, and Lagna incl. to 2nd in the above order).

Good luck.

P.S. Christi, thanks for your input, yes you read me well and correct, but you don’t read me fully. Try to read between the lines. Also, you’d make a good spiritual teacher, you have the ability to see and emphasize the positive aspects of a person’s expression. That’s a valuable asset. But don’t get caught in the illusion of positive. Go deeper, criticize yourself and others, root out the imperfections of your soul, cast them away, having brought them to the light.

Anthony, it might be interesting for you. I NEVER willingly used any drugs in this life. I don’t use alcohol, tobacco, caffeine containing products and haven’t eaten meat, eggs and some other types of food for over a 15 years. However, I can boast many experiences and visions the users of entheogenic (hallucinogenic) drugs would not imagine in their wildest drug-induced dreams.

The shamanic ‘path of the warrior’ and its philosophy was one of the theories I found useful and broadly integrated into multiple levels of my spiritual approach. At some stage, however, I had to review the original materials these theories are based upon and to take the elements which do work for me, while casting away those mistaken and faulty ones (there are, unfortunately, many of such misleading and mistaken elements in the renderings I had a chance to get acquainted with, like e.g. Castaneda’s materials). I know how many people read these materials and how they make it their excuse and guide for using hallucinogenic drugs. And I can only laugh (if not weep) at the results they achieve. In terms of spiritual vision they are being deeply pathetic… Any strong drugs (incl. alcohol and tobacco) are related to the tamasic energies and have all the side effects I outlined as related to the sexuality.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2007, 02:27:38 AM »
Hi Naz - I think it's fair to say that the active members on this forum participate in the discussions that they find interesting, and ignore the others.  I've only skimmed your posts, but have read enough to know that your opinions, and the expressions thereof, are not compelling to me.  Call me naive, if you haven't already.  As for members meeting each other in person, what makes you think that we haven't?  There are some of us who are very close friends, and who are in contact with each other regularly.

The guru is in you, me, and just about everyone else.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2007, 04:49:36 AM »
Human sexuality ranges from the crude animal, brutish instinct for release(which can be ramped up in the most perverse way by a human being) to the highest most sublime physical expression of love between a man and a woman. As humans evolve, so does their expression of the sexual urge.  At some point, there is more and more expression of sexual energy on a higher plane in the form of creative work than on the physical, at which point it is technically no longer sexual energy. The result of this upleveling is not a physical child but a brain child, i.e., some type of artistic, scientific or philosophic contribution.  Further still is prophetic vision and higher states of consciousness beyond the experience of your average garden variety homo sap.  And finally, the crowning conclusion of human evolution, the godman or woman(Christ being best known but most misunderstood of these rare creatures in the western world).  

So, in this particular paradigm of human evolution we go from mineral to plant to animal to human to genius to prophet to godman. Seven octaves of creative energy which most every human being has the potential to express if their physical equipment is intact.  With each rise of expression there is a refinement and an increased frequency of the creative energy or life force.  The basic mechanism of this transformation is the frustration or blocking of physical release by whatever mechanism, whether purposely or simply by circumstance.  

When a spiritual state is achieved there is no identification with form, especially male or female or time or space.  The spirit has no sex.  It is a whole.  Life is here and now and no where else.  As a human being increases the vibratory frequency of their life force, they experience these types of states more and more until they become permanent, i.e., the point at which the resistence of the nervous system has developed and activated to where it can withstand and continuously carry the increased load of the higher frequencies.  Creative endeavor is a means of facillitating this as when a person becomes absorbed in their work they rise above time and space and sexual identity into the state of being.  However, when they stop working they return to normal consciousness.  So, physical/intellectual creative work, whatever we are inclined towards, combined with concentration, meditation and other yoga exercises is a path to evolving into higher consciousness.  

This is the right handed tantric path and evolutionary model put forth by Elisabeth Haich in her book, "Sexual Energy and Yoga." (See Yogani's' booklist) She advocates that most people are not ready for celibacy as they are transitioning from the human to the genius levels and should lead a moderate, pure sex life based on love for their partner, until such time that they feel ready devote more of their energy to less sexual expressions.  

She states that the frustration of the physical expression of creative energy before a person's nervous system is dimensioned for this results in perverted expressions, the most familiar example of this perhaps being the behavior of some catholic clergy. She does not offer any left handed techniques in this regard.  She states that as we evolve, we will feel less and less desire for the physical expression of creative energy because spirit has no sex and the energy is at a higher level.  

She states that there is no prohibition on a person operating at a higher level with respect to a healthy expression of their sexuality, just that there is naturally less inclination.  People who feel the urge to evolve more quickly she advises to go for it following their own inner guidance.  She quotes Shakespeare's classic line, "Nothing is good or bad, only thinking makes it so" in regards to all this.  She states that we should strive for a healthy, systematic development.

She addresses the topic of siddhis calling it white or black magic and states that if the chakras are not activated with a parallel moral development, they can create great havoc for self and  others.  She states that celibacy is required for the most powerful expression of magic.  

It all depends on what we as individuals want.

This is echoed by Swami Vivekananda in his "Complete Works(Control of Psychic Prana)."  "...in all the religious orders of the world that have produced spiritual giants, you will find absolute chastity insisted upon."  I don't know if he was a left handed tantric.  He ate meat and smoked cigarettes.  The meat eating due to the circumstances of living in the west.  Best I can tell from his letters to his brother disciples he never broke his vow of chastity.  When they heard that he was eating meat and worse while visiting the west, he wrote them a letter telling them not to worry about him in which he stated that while he did eat meat, he avoided any physical sexual expression.  I don't think anybody can deny the immensity of his spiritual power.  See the "Complete Works of Vivekananda."

Some of your comments made me think of these things, Nav, so I wrote this little book report as food for thought for everybody.

To me, Yogani's system and Elisabeth Haich's system have alot of overlap.  The core is spinal breathing and meditation.  There are slight variations in technique and different exercises; for example, Ms. Haich teaches coccyx to crown rather than perineum to third eye and inhaling down and exhaling up(perhaps you can comment on that, Yogani).  She is perhaps more explicit and places greater emphasis on the conscious use of creative work as a means to upleveling the increased energy flow generated by the preservation and cultivation of sexual energy.  Yogani advocates this, too, altho more tacitly( please correct me if I am wrong, Yogani).  Read the book, "Secrets of Wilder."  Wilder likes to run alot(physical creative work).  Yogani fills in the gap with left handed tantric practices for people in the transitional stage(most of us here I think).

IMHO,I don't think we need to puritanically condemn sex.  It just needs to be in put in its proper place and perspective, along with an honest assessment of our own inclinations.  I get a mixed message from you, Nav.  You seem to do both.  Sex is a very normal part of being human and is not, inherently, dirty or degrading altho a human being has the capacity to make it so. What a great thing it is to have left handed tantra for those of us who want to evolve and are still experiencing the physical urge.      
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