roboto212
USA
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Posted - May 15 2015 : 3:31:34 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Ok just thought id update this thread as ive had a few recent shifts in my meditation practice.
There have been a few permanent shifts over the past 5 months, disembedding from disturbing emotions, another stage where the mind stopped self-refrencing to a big degree, another shift where the mind disembedded from discursive thinking ( "I" am so stressed, seen as unnecessary fluff) and now the most recent shift has been seeing that efforting of the mind is seen as painful (all intentional investigation via vipassana noting, any self enquiry of asking "where am "I" " ) and that its least straining to just leave the mind be in its natural condition. Since this shift, my meditation practice has switched from noting style vipassana practice to just sitting.. it seems mindfulness just happens and there is nothing to do. I do find that sitting practice the mindfulness is sharper than during my daily activities, but it seems meditation is happening all the time. The mind is seeing that efforting is painful, so it stops doing it, holding too tightly is seen as painful, but its still doing it, hasnt abandoned.
Now there is still a part of me that is curious about the AYP practices, I havent really done any in a few months as they were causing major overload. This is where im really lost.
Seeking advice from any of the more advanced practitioners... Yogani ? Or anyone that has insight into this. Here is my situation. I find that if I just graze or eat when im hungry and eat till im really satisfied and full, that doing any pranayama or I AM or mudras and bandhas causes major overload. This is how it plays out: I do practices in the morning... go about my day. It seems I really wake up the energies through morning yogic practices, but I find that it never actually clears passage through the central channel , it like I increased the water pressure but it cant push through the central channel so it goes to all these other channels and really wreaks havoc cause it has no where to go (it cant go up).. this is if im eating throughout the day...
Now ... if I do the same practices... but I eat one morning meal, and then... I dont eat at all during the day , that the energy that I stirred up has a chance to push through the central channel, I can feel this very clearly during the day (its pleasant sometimes and unpleasant sometimes, but it pushes up from lower chakras all the way up) It feels like a hose with water pressure coming up , pushing through blockages. Now this is the most important part... if I eat during this time, that the energy cant push up and it goes into other channels cause it has to go somewhere... this really wreaks havoc on my health and mind.
This seems very different from others practices Ive read on here that eating more when the energy is really active, to quiet it... but this isnt my experience... One I feel like crap eating alot, and it doesnt actually lower the energy, it just causes it to not be able to do its job of clearing the central channel... So doing a morning meal, not eating during the day when the energy is doing the clearing, then when I can feel that it has pushed all the way to the top, and cleared the central channel for the day, that I can eat in the evening.
If I do this eating regimen I find that I get deeper samadhi, and resting in rigpa is easier as the energy pathways have been greased (got that line from a tibetan book)...
Atm im not doing any yogic practices except some light stretching , and light chanting (making sure not to overdo) ... But I do have an inner urging to pick up these practices, but it seems that I really have to commit to two meals a day to develop the central channel.
Another thing is I find too much sugar is no good, Im finding that maybe 60% carbs, 20% protein 20%fat for each meal is a nice balance.
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 20 2015 : 05:35:20 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
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Originally posted by roboto212
Now this is the most important part... if I eat during this time, that the energy cant push up and it goes into other channels cause it has to go somewhere... this really wreaks havoc on my health and mind.
IMO you are over-analysing. Whatever your sensations may be, the rising energy will go round and give you a house clean. Whether you feel "the energy pushes up" or not, Kundalini will do her job. OK, it may not always go up the Sushumna, so what? There are other nadis in the body that may well need clearing up. There is a wisdom to this purification process that we can't understand at the level of the thinking mind.
All you need to do is self-pace when the symptoms (whatever they may be) become too uncomfortable. The rest takes care of itself.
All the best on your path.
Edited by - BlueRaincoat on May 20 2015 05:47:08 AM
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roboto212
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Posted - May 22 2015 : 01:32:42 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
I wouldn't say I'm overanalyzing. I know what works for my self.. this setup wouldn't likely work for others. . I guess im wanting to understand why it works this way and not that way.
Also id say the whole point of SB and DM is to open and clear and enliven the central channel. Am I right? Why doing two meals allows this opening and clearing and not when im grazing.. id say that's very important and shouldn't just be considered overanalyzing! Ive already determined that doing any practices and eating throughout the day causes extreme discomfort.. this is certainly an indicator that that doesn't work.
This doesn't seem like a self pacing issue.. as when im doikg the two meals scheme its incredible the amount of practices I can do without overloading.. like pranayama, asanas.. chanting throughout the day.. do that while stuffing my face and overload beyond being able to function.
I guess I already know what works , a part of me is just looking to understand it.
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BlueRaincoat
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Posted - May 22 2015 : 05:28:05 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
I guess we have different reference systems. Mine is AYP. And in AYP, sensations/feelings of energy fall in the category of 'scenery'. While it may be interesting to watch, scenery does not inform changes the practices we are doing. Whether the energy is felt up the main energy channel, in our hands or feet, or anywhere else in the body, we continue with the same practices. We only adjust the length of the sessions if the symptoms become uncomfortable (self-pacing).
I wish you good progress on your chosen path.
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roboto212
USA
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Posted - May 23 2015 : 01:57:03 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Im coming from a vipassana practice so youre preaching to the choir with noting sensations being scenery.. that's all there ever is is sensations.. sometimes pleasant sometimes unpleasant sometimes neutral. None of it ever "I"
This still doesn't really address why eating such a specific schedule affects things so much.. I could be eating same calories but this period of empty stomach between meals allows for alot of opening
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SeySorciere
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Posted - May 25 2015 : 06:26:36 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Roboto - there are several lessons on digestion, you might want to check out which will answer your question
http://www.aypsite.com/51.htmlgives you a peek into the dynamics
Sey
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 25 2015 : 07:46:47 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
No preaching, just telling you what things look like from where I stand.
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Originally posted by roboto212
This still doesn't really address why eating such a specific schedule affects things so much.. I could be eating same calories but this period of empty stomach between meals allows for a lot of opening
Because restraining your food intake is a practice. And like any practice, it will have opening and purifying effects. Also, it will add to the overall effect of you yoga routine, so if you choose to do that particular one, you will not be able to take on other practices without overloading.
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roboto212
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Posted - Sep 04 2015 : 10:17:39 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Im finding that one meal a day is sufficient now, it seems. One meal of fruit in the morning.. And I have plenty of energy to do stuff though out the day... This also gives enough time for the energy to push through blockages.. I'll wake in the morning, maybe go on a jog.. After do some asanas and pranayama and then meditate per ayp mantra.. Then eat morning meal... It seems to carry me though the day and I'm pretty active young man living in hawaii.. I use my body a lot during the day and find I have plenty of energy.. And haven't experienced hunger at all after the morning meal.. It seems to digest slowly over time even if it's just fruit.. No evening practices I'm afraid it would cause overload and prevent me from sleeping..
I know this scheme of practices may be very different to a lot of people on here.. But I feel this should be public as for a while I didn't follow my inner guidance and would eat when my head thought I needed to.. This would have opposite effect of grounding, excess food would make the kundalini go crazy... Very uncomfortable...
I think I've found a steady routine, and haven't experienced any overload.. Actually when that energy is pushing through blockages, while it can be slightly uncomfortable, it's also a relief at the same time.
I'll update this thread when necessary
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Dogboy
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Posted - Sep 05 2015 : 06:54:51 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Sounds like you and Guru Inyou are on the same page while living in paradise.
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roboto212
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Posted - Sep 14 2015 : 9:17:39 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Down shifted the energy with adding more meals..but im finding that, even though im grazing on fruit during the day, to listen very carefully to my body and notice when im satiated and not overeating just to feel full.. and most importantly ending the day on empty stomach,so for me this means stopping eating around 4pm. This allows the last meal to completely digest and for the stomach to be empty when it's bed time..sometimes this feels like a mini fast as ill feel hungry for more food when evening comes around, but to let the stomach remain empty and let the awakened energy do it's thing.
I notice problems with sleep, with unprocessed emotional stuff and various energetic issues if I don't give my body this time on empty stomach. It seems to play a key roll in this unfolding...
I do mono meals of sweet fruits mostly with salads thrown in when im feeling them greens. I like this fruit diet cause, for me, it feels most natural and I get the clearest signals from my body when it's satiated and had enough,. Very clear taste changes..
I've taken pranayama out of the routine, it is just too intense.. even a little bit. I really like that practice, and have had powerful experiences of ecstasy and amrita from it, but idk if it's really that necessary, for me at least at this time. It seems to create more disharmony in my energy system than harmony, makes it very hard to function.
I like to still do light asanas in the morning and sometimes afternoon.. this can increase energy flow but it doesn't seem as intense as pranayama.
Have taken ayam out of the routine as well, for now, and just chanting om mani mantra throughout the day, which doesn't cause any overload.
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sunyata
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Posted - Sep 17 2015 : 08:01:46 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi roboto212,
Nice to read your updates. What do you do in terms of Karma Yoga? Eating clean is part of the yogic diet. However too much emphasis on just one part of the picture may lead to overload. Balance in all aspects of life is the key to stability in practices. This has been true for me.
Sunyata
Edited by - sunyata on Sep 17 2015 08:02:22 AM
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roboto212
USA
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Posted - Sep 17 2015 : 1:25:23 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
I like to work on the land I live on here in Hawaii. Keeping all the fruit trees (which are all still very young) cleared of weeds and vines. I'm in between work atm, but I would normally consider work a sort of karma yoga, doing what needs to be done so I have the means to continue my practices.
Sometimes if I have nothing personally to do I'll go next door to my neighbors and friends and see if they need help with anything. C
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sunyata
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Posted - Sep 17 2015 : 8:10:29 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
quote:
like to work on the land I live on here in Hawaii. Keeping all the fruit trees (which are all still very young) cleared of weeds and vines.
Very grounding
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I'm in between work atm, but I would normally consider work a sort of karma yoga, doing what needs to be done so I have the means to continue my practices.
We share the same view.
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Sometimes if I have nothing personally to do I'll go next door to my neighbors and friends and see if they need help with anything. C
You are probably going through a sensitive phase. Keep us posted.
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roboto212
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Posted - Sep 18 2015 : 01:12:03 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Yea it seems lately the energy has ramped allot.. My old ways of eating are no longer working.. Trying to figure out what works... I'll keep this thread alive as updates happen...
I'm feeling really drawn to a water fast, or maybe a water and coco water fast... To let things come undone and really let the energy do it's thing.. Then after try and find a way to eat that also accomodates the energy... Seems eating lighter and remaining more empty seems the best route, but there are different ways of doing that, and finding one that also gives me grounded sleep is ideal
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tonightsthenight
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Posted - Sep 20 2015 : 6:55:35 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Hi Roboto,
At the risk of sounding overbearing, I'd like to mention that in many cases, eating a very light diet as you have been would be likely to stimulate kundalini.
I myself struggle with finding a balance between purification and stability, and I can say from experience that it's easy to get stuck in negative feedback loops.
I'd encourage you to think about trying a grounding diet the includes cooked food that is a hearty and healthy.
You will know best, of course.
Wishing you a smooth path!
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roboto212
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Posted - Sep 21 2015 : 12:31:34 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Tonightsthenight, a lot have recommended that over the years, heavier diet, eating more..
I'm not really sure why, but for me being empty I actually feel most at rest, but I still need food. If I were to just fast, mind becomes completely unbound and there is effortless resting in nondual awareness... That's great, except my body can't really do much as it doesn't have glucose or energy or whatever it's needing that it gets from food. So food is still needed, but eating just what my body needs and not overeating is essential. Overeating causes all kinds of energetic overload and mind tightens around identity. Eating lighter seems to allow this unwinding, slowly over time. Giving my body enough time of being empty Seems allow the awakened energy to break through knots or whatever.
I would never recommend others eat like me though. Everyone's journey is different. Many will have to eat heavier to curb overload symptoms, but for me that just overstimulates my system.
roboto212
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Posted - Sep 21 2015 : 12:42:21 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
Also I want to add that it doesn't feel like I am restricting myself at all, or undereating. For some reason, my metabolism slowly digests over time, even if it's fruit... My stomach still stays pretty busy even if I only eat once a day.