321 From: "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:01pm
Subject: Unconnected thoughts in meditation nearoanoke
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Generally our thoughts are connected. I mean any thought that we
think has a previous thought connected to it or some external
stimulus that gives birth to that thought. Isn't it?
But in meditation sometimes I observe suddenly a thought comes out
of nowhere. Especially these thoughts are related to places and
those places/scenery comes into mind all of a sudden. Let me explain
this a bit. Let us say i close my eyes and start meditating.
Suddenly my school playground comes before my mind, after sometime
the scene changes to something totally different my closet, then an
excursion trip that I've visited in college, then my village etc..
etc..
Sometimes the thoughts are related to these places sometimes not
related at all. But these unconnected thoughts or places that comeup
in meditation are not something that i think in my usual day.
What do these unconnected thoughts indicate? What is their
significance?
322 From: "raw_obsidian" <raw_obsidian@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Unconnected thoughts in meditation raw_obsidian
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The unconnected thoughts may be a kind of "static" that is only
noticed as the mind settles down. In other words, you may be having
unconnected thoughts all the time, but they are being crowded out by
connected ones.
Another possibility is that they are a form of stress-release. Are
there stresses associated with those thoughts, hidden or overt? Are
they releasing themselves sort of like muscle-twitches can occur when
the body finally relaxes certain muscles that have been chronically
tense?
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...> wrote:
>
> Generally our thoughts are connected. I mean any thought that we
> think has a previous thought connected to it or some external
> stimulus that gives birth to that thought. Isn't it?
>
> But in meditation sometimes I observe suddenly a thought comes out
> of nowhere. Especially these thoughts are related to places and
> those places/scenery comes into mind all of a sudden. Let me
explain
> this a bit. Let us say i close my eyes and start meditating.
> Suddenly my school playground comes before my mind, after sometime
> the scene changes to something totally different my closet, then an
> excursion trip that I've visited in college, then my village etc..
> etc..
>
> Sometimes the thoughts are related to these places sometimes not
> related at all. But these unconnected thoughts or places that
comeup
> in meditation are not something that i think in my usual day.
>
> What do these unconnected thoughts indicate? What is their
> significance?
326 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Unconnected thoughts in meditation jim_and_his_...
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You may already understand this (if so, please don't take this as condescending; maybe
it'll be helpful
to others who haven't learned this lesson yet), but if you think/analyze about issues like
this during meditation, you've fallen into the trap. Don't engage with these thought/
images or any other stimulae in any way...not even positive ways. Don't extract wisdom
from them. Don't learn about yourself from them. Just let them pass and embrace the
mantra (or your breathing or whatever you're working on). You're not watching a movie,
you're not learning, you're not accruing wisdom or insight. You're detaching your Self from
all that...all the stimulation and narration and cognition and analyzation.
Downsize!!
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...> wrote:
>
> Generally our thoughts are connected. I mean any thought that we
> think has a previous thought connected to it or some external
> stimulus that gives birth to that thought. Isn't it?
>
> But in meditation sometimes I observe suddenly a thought comes out
> of nowhere. Especially these thoughts are related to places and
> those places/scenery comes into mind all of a sudden. Let me explain
> this a bit. Let us say i close my eyes and start meditating.
> Suddenly my school playground comes before my mind, after sometime
> the scene changes to something totally different my closet, then an
> excursion trip that I've visited in college, then my village etc..
> etc..
>
> Sometimes the thoughts are related to these places sometimes not
> related at all. But these unconnected thoughts or places that comeup
> in meditation are not something that i think in my usual day.
>
> What do these unconnected thoughts indicate? What is their
> significance?
507 From: "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Unconnected thoughts in meditation nearoanoke
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I read something in Raja-Yoga (by swami vivekananda) regarding
kundalini and relation to these unconnected thoughts. I understood
it to be the below way because it appeared intelligent but not sure
whether vivekananda really meant this way or not.
My Understanding: All that we perceive, feel, experience is stored
as perceptions inside us. All those perceptions no matter how old
they might be can be bought to memory. These perceptions are stored
up down in muladhara with kundalini. When meditating since this
kundalini rises, these perceptions come to the mental surface. That
is the reason why we get more thoughts in meditation than during
normal times. (As yogani says thats a good thing). In the initial
stages of our meditation these thoughts are in the form of our
day2day problems or experiences. But as our practice progresses and
kundalini starts rising even older thoughts and old memories start
flashing onto the mental surface. Finally we even get to stages
where we can remember small small things for example the color of
the shirt we wore on jan 2nd 1985 afternoon. As we progress we even
remember our past lives. I feel these perceptions in the rising
kundalini are the ones that bring the unconnected thoughts in
meditation.
SOURCE: I cannot copy from the site, so giving the link here. Goto
the below link and open the raja yoga book and goto "The psychic
prana" chapter. Read that chapter, especially paragraph 8.
Love,
Near
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...>
wrote:
>
> Generally our thoughts are connected. I mean any thought that we
> think has a previous thought connected to it or some external
> stimulus that gives birth to that thought. Isn't it?
>
> But in meditation sometimes I observe suddenly a thought comes out
> of nowhere. Especially these thoughts are related to places and
> those places/scenery comes into mind all of a sudden. Let me
explain
> this a bit. Let us say i close my eyes and start meditating.
> Suddenly my school playground comes before my mind, after sometime
> the scene changes to something totally different my closet, then
an
> excursion trip that I've visited in college, then my village etc..
> etc..
>
> Sometimes the thoughts are related to these places sometimes not
> related at all. But these unconnected thoughts or places that
comeup
> in meditation are not something that i think in my usual day.
>
> What do these unconnected thoughts indicate? What is their
> significance?
511 From: "azaz932001" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Unconnected thoughts in meditation azaz932001
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-I don't think we should worry or concern ourselves at all about
these thoughts we just keep returning to the mantra.
Remember you are stopping the mind doing what has come naturally to
it for all your life, Its going to fight back, the trick is not to
try to force it as I have found out in the past to my detriment the
results are horrible. WE just gently come back to the Mantra that's
all.
Blessings R.C.
-- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I read something in Raja-Yoga (by swami vivekananda) regarding
> kundalini and relation to these unconnected thoughts. I understood
> it to be the below way because it appeared intelligent but not sure
> whether vivekananda really meant this way or not.
>
> My Understanding: All that we perceive, feel, experience is stored
> as perceptions inside us. All those perceptions no matter how old
> they might be can be bought to memory. These perceptions are stored
> up down in muladhara with kundalini. When meditating since this
> kundalini rises, these perceptions come to the mental surface. That
> is the reason why we get more thoughts in meditation than during
> normal times. (As yogani says thats a good thing). In the initial
> stages of our meditation these thoughts are in the form of our
> day2day problems or experiences. But as our practice progresses and
> kundalini starts rising even older thoughts and old memories start
> flashing onto the mental surface. Finally we even get to stages
> where we can remember small small things for example the color of
> the shirt we wore on jan 2nd 1985 afternoon. As we progress we even
> remember our past lives. I feel these perceptions in the rising
> kundalini are the ones that bring the unconnected thoughts in
> meditation.
>
> SOURCE: I cannot copy from the site, so giving the link here. Goto
> the below link and open the raja yoga book and goto "The psychic
> prana" chapter. Read that chapter, especially paragraph 8.
>
>
> Love,
> Near
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Generally our thoughts are connected. I mean any thought that we
> > think has a previous thought connected to it or some external
> > stimulus that gives birth to that thought. Isn't it?
> >
> > But in meditation sometimes I observe suddenly a thought comes
out
> > of nowhere. Especially these thoughts are related to places and
> > those places/scenery comes into mind all of a sudden. Let me
> explain
> > this a bit. Let us say i close my eyes and start meditating.
> > Suddenly my school playground comes before my mind, after
sometime
> > the scene changes to something totally different my closet, then
> an
> > excursion trip that I've visited in college, then my village
etc..
> > etc..
> >
> > Sometimes the thoughts are related to these places sometimes not
> > related at all. But these unconnected thoughts or places that
> comeup
> > in meditation are not something that i think in my usual day.
> >
> > What do these unconnected thoughts indicate? What is their
> > significance?
