130 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 8, 2005 11:34am
Subject: Uplifting Kundalini vs. Drawing up Kundalini ashwinjlsun
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Dear Group,
Perhaps there are two simple ways of thinking about
kundalini...we can start at the bottom, clearing the
path thru all the chakra 'stations' on the way up, so
as to enable the merging of Shiva/Shakti / Ida/Pingala
at third eye...or we can work on only the head centers
and 'Magnetize' the top by which we then "draw"
kundalini up to merge at 3rd eye.
I have seen two different Kriya lineages, and they
each did one way...one started at the bottom and
lifted Kundalini up, where as the other didn't do it
that way, but they 'drew' kundalini up by magnetizing
the 'head pole', like a magnet. I was told strongly
NOT to do both styles because they 'conflicted' with
each other...They didn't want me clearing a path and
rising up Kundalini and at the same time magnetizing
it up also...(keep in mind that these were very
specific techniques, quite different, and not like the
AYP lessons so much.)
As an Example, this is like building a pipe to bring
water out of the earth into the house...Muladhara and
up... VS. building a well and drawing water from the
top of the well...
This is how I understanding it...
Much Love & Light
Ashwin
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Date: Tue Mar 8, 2005 5:59pm
Subject: Re: Uplifting Kundalini vs. Drawing up Kundalini fraterandros1
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Hello dear Ashwin,
Thank you for that most interesting post! :-) Ashwin, would you consider describing the details of the two techniques for us? I have been, like many here, doing research in this area for quite some time, of course the shroud/veil of tradition has been an almost insurmountable barrier to accessing the variety of methods for kundalini arousal.... Would you, in the spirit of this open forum and its founder, please consider detailing these two techniques? Perhaps you would be more comfortable in private mail, in which case my address is adamwest1@iprimus.com.au many thanks! As a side note, what was your experience of them, and their effectiveness?
In kind regards,
Adam.
Dear Group,
Perhaps there are two simple ways of thinking about
kundalini...we can start at the bottom, clearing the
path thru all the chakra 'stations' on the way up, so
as to enable the merging of Shiva/Shakti / Ida/Pingala
at third eye...or we can work on only the head centers
and 'Magnetize' the top by which we then "draw"
kundalini up to merge at 3rd eye.
I have seen two different Kriya lineages, and they
each did one way...one started at the bottom and
lifted Kundalini up, where as the other didn't do it
that way, but they 'drew' kundalini up by magnetizing
the 'head pole', like a magnet. I was told strongly
NOT to do both styles because they 'conflicted' with
each other...They didn't want me clearing a path and
rising up Kundalini and at the same time magnetizing
it up also...(keep in mind that these were very
specific techniques, quite different, and not like the
AYP lessons so much.)
As an Example, this is like building a pipe to bring
water out of the earth into the house...Muladhara and
up... VS. building a well and drawing water from the
top of the well...
This is how I understanding it...
Much Love & Light
Ashwin
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143 From: "iprimus" <adamwest1@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Tue Mar 8, 2005 5:59pm
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Hello dear Ashwin,
Thank you for that most interesting post! :-) Ashwin, would you consider describing the details of the two techniques for us? I have been, like many here, doing research in this area for quite some time, of course the shroud/veil of tradition has been an almost insurmountable barrier to accessing the variety of methods for kundalini arousal.... Would you, in the spirit of this open forum and its founder, please consider detailing these two techniques? Perhaps you would be more comfortable in private mail, in which case my address is adamwest1@iprimus.com.au many thanks! As a side note, what was your experience of them, and their effectiveness?
In kind regards,
Adam.
Dear Group,
Perhaps there are two simple ways of thinking about
kundalini...we can start at the bottom, clearing the
path thru all the chakra 'stations' on the way up, so
as to enable the merging of Shiva/Shakti / Ida/Pingala
at third eye...or we can work on only the head centers
and 'Magnetize' the top by which we then "draw"
kundalini up to merge at 3rd eye.
I have seen two different Kriya lineages, and they
each did one way...one started at the bottom and
lifted Kundalini up, where as the other didn't do it
that way, but they 'drew' kundalini up by magnetizing
the 'head pole', like a magnet. I was told strongly
NOT to do both styles because they 'conflicted' with
each other...They didn't want me clearing a path and
rising up Kundalini and at the same time magnetizing
it up also...(keep in mind that these were very
specific techniques, quite different, and not like the
AYP lessons so much.)
As an Example, this is like building a pipe to bring
water out of the earth into the house...Muladhara and
up... VS. building a well and drawing water from the
top of the well...
This is how I understanding it...
Much Love & Light
Ashwin
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184 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:09pm
Subject: Re: Uplifting Kundalini vs. Drawing up Kundalini ashwinjlsun
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Dear Adam,
These techniques are not totally open to the public
domain, and I don't want to give so much detail that
people might try to use them without proper initiation
and instruction(I am not a teacher of these
techniques), so I will give a general 'feel' of the
apparent differences and emphasis...
Uplifting Kundalini is like spinal breathing, but with
a very slow exact breathing rate, and at the same time
visualizing the sushumna energy moving up and down,
while also doing a mantra at each chakra...thus
opening the spine and chakra centers, allowing for a
'clear rising' of the kundalini. Other techniques also
go with this practice...but this is the most easily
understood for this thread's context...
Drawing Up kundalini had a focus on simply using soft
and slow breath, w/o measuring it out, to draw energy
into the 3rd eye and up to the crown chakra on inhale,
and out on exhale...then after some time, they would
take this energy like a well bucket and dip it down to
the 1st chakra and back up, 2nd chakra & back up, etc.
They would magnetize the head and then link it to the
chakras to 'draw up' kundalini...the main focus on the
head centers. I don't remember the other techniques of
this style, for I chose to follow the first at that
time.
That is my exposure and experience with these two
'types' of kundalini yoga...FYI
Namaste-
Ashwin
--- iprimus <adamwest1@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> Hello dear Ashwin,
>
> Thank you for that most interesting post! :-)
> Ashwin, would you consider describing the details of
> the two techniques for us? I have been, like many
> here, doing research in this area for quite some
> time, of course the shroud/veil of tradition has
> been an almost insurmountable barrier to accessing
> the variety of methods for kundalini arousal....
> Would you, in the spirit of this open forum and its
> founder, please consider detailing these two
> techniques? Perhaps you would be more comfortable
> in private mail, in which case my address is
> adamwest1@iprimus.com.au many thanks! As a side
> note, what was your experience of them, and their
> effectiveness?
>
> In kind regards,
>
> Adam.
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Perhaps there are two simple ways of thinking
> about
> kundalini...we can start at the bottom, clearing
> the
> path thru all the chakra 'stations' on the way up,
> so
> as to enable the merging of Shiva/Shakti /
> Ida/Pingala
> at third eye...or we can work on only the head
> centers
> and 'Magnetize' the top by which we then "draw"
> kundalini up to merge at 3rd eye.
>
> I have seen two different Kriya lineages, and they
> each did one way...one started at the bottom and
> lifted Kundalini up, where as the other didn't do
> it
> that way, but they 'drew' kundalini up by
> magnetizing
> the 'head pole', like a magnet. I was told
> strongly
> NOT to do both styles because they 'conflicted'
> with
> each other...They didn't want me clearing a path
> and
> rising up Kundalini and at the same time
> magnetizing
> it up also...(keep in mind that these were very
> specific techniques, quite different, and not like
> the
> AYP lessons so much.)
>
> As an Example, this is like building a pipe to
> bring
> water out of the earth into the house...Muladhara
> and
> up... VS. building a well and drawing water from
> the
> top of the well...
>
> This is how I understanding it...
>
> Much Love & Light
> Ashwin
186 From: Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Uplifting Kundalini vs. Drawing up Kundalini rngupta31
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Hello Dear Ashwin!
Thanks for your elaborating, though concisely, two different techniques of Kundalini raising.
Would you be kind enough to through some more light on spinal breathing, What do you actually mean by " with a very slow exact breathing rate" What should be the breathing rate per minute with / without Kumbhaka & duration thereof.
2) By "doing a mantra at each chakra" do you mean repeating OF LAM, VAM ETC AT EACH CHAKRA OR SOME OTHER MANTRAS. If other kindly mention the same if possible.
With regards.
R N Gupta
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Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Adam,
These techniques are not totally open to the public
domain, and I don't want to give so much detail that
people might try to use them without proper initiation
and instruction(I am not a teacher of these
techniques), so I will give a general 'feel' of the
apparent differences and emphasis...
Uplifting Kundalini is like spinal breathing, but with
a very slow exact breathing rate, and at the same time
visualizing the sushumna energy moving up and down,
while also doing a mantra at each chakra...thus
opening the spine and chakra centers, allowing for a
'clear rising' of the kundalini. Other techniques also
go with this practice...but this is the most easily
understood for this thread's context...
Drawing Up kundalini had a focus on simply using soft
and slow breath, w/o measuring it out, to draw energy
into the 3rd eye and up to the crown chakra on inhale,
and out on exhale...then after some time, they would
take this energy like a well bucket and dip it down to
the 1st chakra and back up, 2nd chakra & back up, etc.
They would magnetize the head and then link it to the
chakras to 'draw up' kundalini...the main focus on the
head centers. I don't remember the other techniques of
this style, for I chose to follow the first at that
time.
That is my exposure and experience with these two
'types' of kundalini yoga...FYI
Namaste-
Ashwin
--- iprimus wrote:
> Hello dear Ashwin,
>
> Thank you for that most interesting post! :-)
> Ashwin, would you consider describing the details of
> the two techniques for us? I have been, like many
> here, doing research in this area for quite some
> time, of course the shroud/veil of tradition has
> been an almost insurmountable barrier to accessing
> the variety of methods for kundalini arousal....
> Would you, in the spirit of this open forum and its
> founder, please consider detailing these two
> techniques? Perhaps you would be more comfortable
> in private mail, in which case my address is
> adamwest1@iprimus.com.au many thanks! As a side
> note, what was your experience of them, and their
> effectiveness?
>
> In kind regards,
>
> Adam.
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Perhaps there are two simple ways of thinking
> about
> kundalini...we can start at the bottom, clearing
> the
> path thru all the chakra 'stations' on the way up,
> so
> as to enable the merging of Shiva/Shakti /
> Ida/Pingala
> at third eye...or we can work on only the head
> centers
> and 'Magnetize' the top by which we then "draw"
> kundalini up to merge at 3rd eye.
>
> I have seen two different Kriya lineages, and they
> each did one way...one started at the bottom and
> lifted Kundalini up, where as the other didn't do
> it
> that way, but they 'drew' kundalini up by
> magnetizing
> the 'head pole', like a magnet. I was told
> strongly
> NOT to do both styles because they 'conflicted'
> with
> each other...They didn't want me clearing a path
> and
> rising up Kundalini and at the same time
> magnetizing
> it up also...(keep in mind that these were very
> specific techniques, quite different, and not like
> the
> AYP lessons so much.)
>
> As an Example, this is like building a pipe to
> bring
> water out of the earth into the house...Muladhara
> and
> up... VS. building a well and drawing water from
> the
> top of the well...
>
> This is how I understanding it...
>
> Much Love & Light
> Ashwin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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187 From: "marion hanvey" <marion@marionhanvey.wanadoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 0:35pm
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Uplifting Kundalini is like spinal breathing, but with
a very slow exact breathing rate, and at the same time
visualizing the sushumna energy moving up and down,
while also doing a mantra at each chakra..
I've just tried this for a few minutes - without the mantras because I don't know them - and it works. Well I've got as far as raising it to the crown chakra anyway , I haven't tried to bring it down and back up. Well I'm assuming it's kundalini rising anyway, it feels like a mild version of orgasm going up my spine. Is that kundalini?
It doesn't make me feel more spiritual though I must admit. Shrug.
.thus
opening the spine and chakra centers, allowing for a
'clear rising' of the kundalini. Other techniques also
go with this practice...but this is the most easily
understood for this thread's context...
Drawing Up kundalini had a focus on simply using soft
and slow breath, w/o measuring it out, to draw energy
into the 3rd eye and up to the crown chakra on inhale,
and out on exhale..
I found that exhaling didn't send it back down to the root chakra, some remained to send up to the next chakra.
.then after some time, they would
take this energy like a well bucket and dip it down to
the 1st chakra and back up, 2nd chakra & back up, etc.
They would magnetize the head and then link it to the
chakras to 'draw up' kundalini...the main focus on the
head centers. I don't remember the other techniques of
this style, for I chose to follow the first at that
time.
How does one magnetise the crown chakra.
And thank you for your post.
Best wishes
Marion
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207 From: "Adam West" <adamwest1@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:24pm
Subject: Re: Uplifting Kundalini vs. Drawing up Kundalini fraterandros1
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Hello Ashwin,
Thank you for your reply, I was very interested to read your description! :-) Obviously, (from my perspective) the ideal would be if we could simply share the details of the various techniques amongst ourselves with out the need of ritual initiation. I liken this ideal very much to the publication of scientific theory and research with in the public domain, so that all scientists/researchers may have the opportunity to study it and do there own research on it. Especially seeing's, many of us are initiates already with in several different schools and traditions, we are already privy and well trained to practice safely and see that there really is only very subtle differences amongst the various traditions. That it is the egos of the proponents who make such a big deal of the differences and swear by the uniqueness and special ness of their particular system.
Of course having initiation with in a few of these unique systems/traditions myself, one realizes they really weren't that unique and special after all, we're all pretty much practicing the same thing, with just minor variations. It is the agonic restrictions placed on this material that prevents us from doing the research ourselves and finding out what works for us. This is why AYP lessons and site is so great, we reserve the advise on safety, practice etc, and it is then up to us to bring about our awakening :-)
Ashwin, is there any chance of you giving the full details of the practices and its tradition of origin. I understand that you may have made vows and so on, in which case no problems :-) My address off line, if you would like to discuss it, is: adamwest1@iprimus.com.au Regardless, many thanks for what you have thus far shared :-)
In kind regards,
Adam.
