1151 From: "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 9:15am
Subject: Spontaneous kechari lilia_petkova
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Hi!
I am wondering if anyone is experiencing spontaneous stage 1 kechari
in their normal daily activity outside of meditation and what do you
do about that, especially if you are not doing kechari as part of your
practice yet.
Cheers,
Lili
1155 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 10:26am
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari david_obsidian1
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@y...>
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> Hi!
>
> I am wondering if anyone is experiencing spontaneous stage 1
kechari
> in their normal daily activity outside of meditation and what do
you
> do about that, especially if you are not doing kechari as part of
your
> practice yet.
>
> Cheers,
> Lili
Hello Lili,
yes, I have had that. It was only after learning about Kechari
specifically during Kriya Yoga lessons some years later that I
started to take it further.
Just let it happen. It's quite healthy and natural. Do it as much
as you want, but, as with anything, self-pace if you need to.
The later stages of Kechari can also be done during everyday
routine. Kechari is a superb mudra, and one wonderful thing about
it is that it can be done all the time (except when you are eating
and talking) and no-one will know you are doing it.
The only thing I have found is that it gives me a kind of mental
stimulation that makes it inappropriate to do later in the evening
because it will keep me awake otherwise. But that is a feature of a
number of yoga practices, and tends to be very body-specific.
-David
1180 From: "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jul 2, 2005 11:49am
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Thanks a lot David! Have you actually done Kechari for a long time
during the day outside of practice and how does it feel? Just
curious - this is new to me and for now I am a bit cautious about
letting it go for a long time, especially since I have not yet
gotten to do it as part of the regular practice.
Best,
Lili
> Hello Lili,
>
> yes, I have had that. It was only after learning about Kechari
> specifically during Kriya Yoga lessons some years later that I
> started to take it further.
>
> Just let it happen. It's quite healthy and natural. Do it as
much
> as you want, but, as with anything, self-pace if you need to.
>
> The later stages of Kechari can also be done during everyday
> routine. Kechari is a superb mudra, and one wonderful thing
about
> it is that it can be done all the time (except when you are eating
> and talking) and no-one will know you are doing it.
>
> The only thing I have found is that it gives me a kind of mental
> stimulation that makes it inappropriate to do later in the evening
> because it will keep me awake otherwise. But that is a feature of
a
> number of yoga practices, and tends to be very body-specific.
>
> -David
1183 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jul 2, 2005 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari david_obsidian1
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "lilia_petkova"
<lilia_petkova@y...> wrote:
> Thanks a lot David! Have you actually done Kechari for a long time
> during the day outside of practice and how does it feel? Just
> curious - this is new to me and for now I am a bit cautious about
> letting it go for a long time, especially since I have not yet
> gotten to do it as part of the regular practice.
>
> Best,
> Lili
Hello Lili,
Yes, I still do Kechari for a long time outside of practice during
the day.
There are so many components to the effect that it is hard to
describe them. And of course, meditation enhances Kechari and vice-
versa. And the effect gets more powerful as the tongue can go up
further.
But I'll have a stab at explaining them. Firstly, I find it
calming. It also gives me a certain sense of fullness and well-
being. It also tends to refresh my mind, and focus it. It's like
an all-purpose spiritual nutrient.
There was a certain amount of sexual stimulation too, especially,
in my case, whenever the tongue advances into new territory. But
this aspect generally settled down once that territory became no
longer new. But, as Yogani explains, Kechari can help bring on a sort of generalized, diffuse, whole-body 'sexuality' or 'sensuality'
There are people who say that meditation only really starts
to 'work' for them when they get into Kechari, which is I think a
way of saying that they only got significantly deeper in meditation for the first time as a result of Kechari.
I would also say that Kechari helped to open a bridge between my
mind and body, and that is on-going.
There is a lot to read in Yogani's lessons about Kechari. He makes
it clear that it can be used throughout the day in routine. I
recommend that you read all of the lessons.
The fact that it started spontaneously for you is I think a good
indicator that it is likely to serve you well.
You know that all yoga developed out of spontaneous yoga? The myth
of Shiva delivering the techniques of yoga to human beings, means
the Intelligence behind the human body (=Shiva) delivering the
techniques of yoga. When your tongue went up by itself, that's
Shiva teaching you Yoga.
Some people, BTW, get spontaneous Kechari during sex or sexual
orgasm; and the same is true ( and perhaps even more common) of
spontaneous shambhavi.
Did you know that I was a spontaneous clipper too? I took a snip at
my frenum years ago, without any advice, and got it a few
centimeters further. More spontaneous yoga. My friends thought I
was mad, and, having no support of tradition or knowledge around
me, I felt that what I had done was questionable, and I never
snipped again until I came to AYP. In fact, it was on searching
for good information about advanced Kechari, (and the preparatory
snipping) that I found AYP.
So it's all definitely part of a natural, spontaneous process that we can cultivate and speed up.
Best of luck with your practice,
-David
> > Hello Lili,
> >
> > yes, I have had that. It was only after learning about Kechari
> > specifically during Kriya Yoga lessons some years later that I
> > started to take it further.
> >
> > Just let it happen. It's quite healthy and natural. Do it as
> much
> > as you want, but, as with anything, self-pace if you need to.
> >
> > The later stages of Kechari can also be done during everyday
> > routine. Kechari is a superb mudra, and one wonderful thing
> about
> > it is that it can be done all the time (except when you are
eating
> > and talking) and no-one will know you are doing it.
> >
> > The only thing I have found is that it gives me a kind of mental
> > stimulation that makes it inappropriate to do later in the
evening
> > because it will keep me awake otherwise. But that is a feature
of
> a
> > number of yoga practices, and tends to be very body-specific.
> >
> > -David
1193 From: "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3, 2005 8:36am
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari lilia_petkova
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Dear David,
Many thanks for your helpful and informative reply. One last brief
question - do you think it is possible for Kechari to happen during
the night while you are sleeping?
Lili
1194 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3, 2005 8:52am
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--- "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@y...> wrote:
> One last brief
> question - do you think it is possible for Kechari to happen
during
> the night while you are sleeping?
>
> Lili
Hello Lili,
no, I don't think it can happen at night while you sleep. It
requires conscious muscle-engagement, and that relaxes away during
sleep. Are you concerned about this? Do you think that that is
happening to you?
BTW, I was mentioning that if I do Kechari within a few hours of my
going to bed, I can't get to sleep for quite a while, so I avoid
it after 8pm. This may be particular to me, so you should not
necessarily avoid it after 8pm -- experience will tell you. This
happens to me significantly for other exercises too, like nauli
kriya and spinal bastrika.
Best regards,
-David
1195 From: "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3, 2005 9:11am
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari lilia_petkova
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Hi David,
Thank you for your note. I just wasn't sure whether this is a
possibility (while you sleep you have no control - i was afraid that
it is possible to overdo while you sleep and then you can become dull,
crabby etc.). But now that you say it is not possible I will be sure
that all that is going on happens either in practice or during the
day
. I didn't know you can also get spontaneous nauli -to me it
appears complicated to learn so this must have been quite a help in
your practice.
1196 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3, 2005 9:35am
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari david_obsidian1
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> I didn't know you can also get spontaneous nauli -to me it
> appears complicated to learn so this must have been quite a help in
> your practice.
Yes, nauli has been very helpful. You can also do a partial nauli,
or a micro-movement nauli; and in my case a spontaneous, partial,
micromovement nauli began to follow.
Sometimes people are a little bit spooked about the idea of
spontaneous movements, and sometimes this comes from a slight
misunderstanding of them. When I say 'spontaneous' I mean that you
start to do it without *deciding* to, much as you will do to scratch
an itch, for example -- and, just like scratching an itch, they
aren't out-of-control movements or anything like that. These start to
happen because you have instinctively discerned a pleasure or benefit
from the action and you want it.
Do a site search on the lessons on "micro-movements" if you are
curious: ---
http://www.aypsite.com/plusBest regards,
--David
1197 From: "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3, 2005 9:56am
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari lilia_petkova
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Thanks David - what you wrote was very helpful for me. Have a nice
micro-remaining part of the weekend!
Lili
1206 From: "Richard" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jul 4, 2005 8:54am
Subject: Re: Spontaneous kechari azaz932001
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "lilia_petkova" <lilia_petkova@y...>
wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am wondering if anyone is experiencing spontaneous stage 1
kechari
> in their normal daily activity outside of meditation and what do
you
> do about that, especially if you are not doing kechari as part of
your
> practice yet.
>
> Cheers,
> Lili
HI Lili
On thinking about it yes I find that stage one Kechary seems to be
the natural resting place for my tongue the funny thing is I cant
tell if this was the case before I started these practices.
Blessings R.C.
