1157 From: "Dave Moore" <riptiz@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 10:44am
Subject: Re: Nei Gung Masters/Yoga masters riptiz
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Dear All,
I have read with interest the replies regarding the siddhis, some
sceptical some not.
I can tell you that the siddhis are real and some have been
demonstrated to me and in fact I can easily send healing distantly
as can many people I know.As a result of meditation the abilities
increase further than what is possible simply by Reiki or other
systems.It is a minor siddhi just as clairvoyancy is.Siddhis are not
normally practised but are a result of the path to enlightenment
although with healing you can easily start with Reiki or other
systems and will find substantial improvement in channneling
abilities if you use other practices for cleansing.(AYP, hatha, tai
chi etc)You will very rarely get a siddha to demonstrate the siddhis
as one result of enlightenment is a dissolvement of the ego, so why
would they want to demonstrate?They would gain nothing by this act
as they are not feeding an ego.
My guru can scan anyone distantly from where she lives in India and
give a personality reading, pinpoint illness, read your energy
levels.Not only has she proved this to me by reading me but she has
done so with others who she knows nothing about and been correct.She
does not do this without permission as it is an invasion of privacy
otherwise.She has other gifts which I don't know about as it is seen
as a distraction from the path and as yogani says when we have them
we wont be looking for them anyway.An analogy I like to use is if
you are going from your back door(you in the present), to the garden
gate(enlightenment), then if you stop to smell the flowers(looking
for siddhis), then it will take you longer to reach the gate.
If however you walk directly to the gate , you will still smell the
flowers along the way.
The siddhis come whether you want them or not and only when God is
ready to give them and I think when you are mature enough to handle
them.Unfortunately some gurus have been corrupted by the siddhis and
have used them for personal gain and have given themselves and
others a bad name.Maybe looking for $1,000,000 would be seen as a
corrupt use of the gifts?
L&L
dave
1158 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 10:48am
Subject: Re: Nei Gung Masters/Yoga masters david_obsidian1
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BTW, I don't have any doubts about practices producing unusual
physiological effects and these being demonstratable in the lab.
It's claims of being able to do things like levitate at will and then
being unwilling( really = unable) to do it in a way that would prove
it to us --- it's such claims that I am turning a harsh, hard-nosed
light on.
I don't need any convincing that very unusual things can happen
physiologically. I've actually *experienced* such things myself.
-D
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "andyzz_2002" <andysun3@h...> wrote:
> Interesting comment, however they spend longer than a few minutes
in
> the cold. Their attainnment is measured by spending the whole night
> drying sheets not just a few minutes. Please research and you'll
> find it to be true. Also Benson had them replicate this by drying
> sheets in a very cold room at ground level, they could also raise
the
> temperature of extremities by up to 17 degrees celcius, quite
> remarkable and a true siddhi. Generating this heat is a biproduct
of
> their spiritual practice not the goal, anyone interested in
training
> in it can do so through the Palyul Buddhist organisation amongst
> others, its a long training tho.
>
> > The reason they can dry icy sheets on the body in tibet is the
> extreme elevation creates extreme dryness in the air. Any wet
> material evaporates and dries almost immediately. All they do is
> tolerate the chill for a minute or two.
> >
> > andyzz_2002 <andysun3@h...> wrote:Hi,
> > Just to say that there is some validated (scientific)research
with
> > tibetan tummmo practitioners. Herbert Benson carried this out.
They
> > can raise body temperature and dry icy sheets on there bodies in
> > very low temperatures (this would cause hypothermia in a non
> > practitiioner) They can also reduce their metabolic rate to an
> > unheard of low. It was hard enough for Benson to persuade the
monks
> > to submit themselves to a scientific study, they would not have
> done
> > it for show or money.
> >
> > check out
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-> tummo.html
> >
> > Also I believe some yogis have stopped thier hearts and held
breath
> > for extended periods. One was Swami Anandakapila Saraswati who
was
> a
> > subject in a study, but I have no details.
> >
> > look foward to any more stories
> >
> > AW
> > >
> > > I'm going to say something a little controversial.
> > >
> > > I don't believe there is a person on the planet today who has
> such
> > > abilities. The reason I don't believe there is, is that if
> there
> > > were, they could demonstrate it to the world very easily and
in
> a
> > > manner which leaves no doubt in the scientific community,
> > > establishes it as scientific fact, and thus greatly enhance
> world
> > > consciousness of this very important matter. And they can
easily
> > > collect $1 million in the process, because there is a
challenge
> > out
> > > there to demonstrate such powers, and if you meet the
challenge,
> > > the $1 million is yours for the taking.
> > >
> > > Of course, you have to _demonstrate_it in a way which leaves
no
> > > doubt in the scientific community, and that is very, very,
> > very,
> > > hard for people who don't have these powers, but would be
very,
> > > very easy for people who do.
> > >
> > > To demonstrate it in a way that would convince the scientific
> > > community, one would have to get past the fraud-detecting
powers
> > of
> > > the likes of James Randi, who is a magician who has
specialized
> in
> > > exposing fraudsters. If you get past him, you get the million.
> > >
> > > But never mind the million --- just imagine the great
> contribution
> > > to world consciousness.... the elevation of science.
> > >
> > > The challenge has been there for some years now. No-one steps
up
> > to
> > > the plate. There are thousands of people on the world today,
> > eager
> > > that you believe that they have psychic powers, but who avoid
> the
> > > challenge of proving to you in a properly conclusive way that
> they
> > > do.
> > >
> > > They are conjuring tricks.
> > >
> > > Think it over.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "babaji_krishna"
> > > <babaji_krishna@h...> wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I am writing to ask if there is anyone out there who has ever
> met
> > > a
> > > > yoga/nei gung master that can demonstrate at will their
> siddhis.
> > > For
> > > > those of you that may not know the term Nei Gung it is a
> Chinese
> > > > term that essentailly means internal skill. From reading
about
> > Nei
> > > > Gung the training seems very similar to yoga. There maybe
some
> > > > differences in technique or focus but the end result is the
> same.
> > > > Some of the siddhis I am refering to are levitation, leaving
no
> > > > footprints over snow( higher levels walk on water), able to
> send
> > > > prana or chi to another person to heal. Able to send prana in
a
> > > > focuses manner to start a fire, etc.
> > > > I have heard of stories of such men or women but have nver
> > > > experienced such things. I was wondering if there was anyone
> out
> > > > there who can share some stories or actually know of any
humans
> > > whom
> > > > they have actually physically met and seen these things at
> first
> > > > hand.
> > > > Although I agree that the siddhis are a result of practise
and
> > > > mastery over such things as pranayama and meditation, it does
> > give
> > > a
> > > > physical check as to the level of the practitioner. Many
people
> > > can
> > > > calim they are yogis. Unfortunately it seems that modern yoga
> has
> > > > been much about asana and not about anything else. Very few
> yogis
> > > > that teach yoga can heal someone from a distance, disperse
your
> > > > negative karma, see your internal body, offer you guidance
into
> > > the
> > > > subtleties of your internal enregy.
> > > > One of the other very important things is how does one know
> > > > themselves when they are ready to progress to the next step
of
> > > > training. This can I believe be only done by a yogi/nei gung
> > > master.
> > > > I look forward to hearing from anyone about their fantastic
> > > stories.
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1165 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 4:09pm
Subject: RE: Re: Nei Gung Masters/Yoga masters paula_youmans
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Hi -
I agree. I think these things are possible and have experienced them myself,
but they are hardly at my will; not by a long shot.
I seem to meet a lot of people that claim to be able to levitate, move
objects, etc. at will but they always have some reason why they cannot do it
"right now."
There's something kind of weird about people walking around saying they can
do that stuff anyway. I always wonder what use it has LOL, even though
sometimes I wish I could pull a Mary Poppins and have the clothes all stack
themselves and put themselves away.that I have a use for!
To be honest, I would really enjoy seeing someone do this stuff at will.
Ah.perhaps some day.
~paula
_____
BTW, I don't have any doubts about practices producing unusual
physiological effects and these being demonstratable in the lab.
It's claims of being able to do things like levitate at will and then
being unwilling( really = unable) to do it in a way that would prove
it to us --- it's such claims that I am turning a harsh, hard-nosed
light on.
I don't need any convincing that very unusual things can happen
physiologically. I've actually *experienced* such things myself.
-D
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1148 From: "Krishna Vishnu" <babaji_krishna@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 3:43am
Subject: RE: Re: Nei Gung Masters/Yoga masters babaji_krishna
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Hi David,
I appreciate your feddback. Thanks for your comments. I do not think that
yogis or nei gung masters are in the buisiness of making money. I do not
think they practise so hard to make it a point to demonstrate what they can
do to the public. I am sure if they were to find the correct disciple they
would demonstrate something to them. They are not in the buisiness of
atracting attention.
babaji
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>To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Nei Gung Masters/Yoga masters
>Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:44:10 -0000
>
>Hello Babaji Krishna,
>
>I'm going to say something a little controversial.
>
>I don't believe there is a person on the planet today who has such
>abilities. The reason I don't believe there is, is that if there
>were, they could demonstrate it to the world very easily and in a
>manner which leaves no doubt in the scientific community,
>establishes it as scientific fact, and thus greatly enhance world
>consciousness of this very important matter. And they can easily
>collect $1 million in the process, because there is a challenge out
>there to demonstrate such powers, and if you meet the challenge,
>the $1 million is yours for the taking.
>
>Of course, you have to _demonstrate_it in a way which leaves no
>doubt in the scientific community, and that is very, very, very,
>hard for people who don't have these powers, but would be very,
>very easy for people who do.
>
>To demonstrate it in a way that would convince the scientific
>community, one would have to get past the fraud-detecting powers of
>the likes of James Randi, who is a magician who has specialized in
>exposing fraudsters. If you get past him, you get the million.
>
>But never mind the million --- just imagine the great contribution
>to world consciousness.... the elevation of science.
>
>The challenge has been there for some years now. No-one steps up to
>the plate. There are thousands of people on the world today, eager
>that you believe that they have psychic powers, but who avoid the
>challenge of proving to you in a properly conclusive way that they
>do.
>
>They are conjuring tricks.
>
>Think it over.
>
>Best regards,
>
>-David
>
>
>--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "babaji_krishna"
><babaji_krishna@h...> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I am writing to ask if there is anyone out there who has ever met
>a
> > yoga/nei gung master that can demonstrate at will their siddhis.
>For
> > those of you that may not know the term Nei Gung it is a Chinese
> > term that essentailly means internal skill. From reading about Nei
> > Gung the training seems very similar to yoga. There maybe some
> > differences in technique or focus but the end result is the same.
> > Some of the siddhis I am refering to are levitation, leaving no
> > footprints over snow( higher levels walk on water), able to send
> > prana or chi to another person to heal. Able to send prana in a
> > focuses manner to start a fire, etc.
> > I have heard of stories of such men or women but have nver
> > experienced such things. I was wondering if there was anyone out
> > there who can share some stories or actually know of any humans
>whom
> > they have actually physically met and seen these things at first
> > hand.
> > Although I agree that the siddhis are a result of practise and
> > mastery over such things as pranayama and meditation, it does give
>a
> > physical check as to the level of the practitioner. Many people
>can
> > calim they are yogis. Unfortunately it seems that modern yoga has
> > been much about asana and not about anything else. Very few yogis
> > that teach yoga can heal someone from a distance, disperse your
> > negative karma, see your internal body, offer you guidance into
>the
> > subtleties of your internal enregy.
> > One of the other very important things is how does one know
> > themselves when they are ready to progress to the next step of
> > training. This can I believe be only done by a yogi/nei gung
>master.
> > I look forward to hearing from anyone about their fantastic
>stories.
>
>
>
>
