1007 From: shanti <shanti@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jun 6, 2005 2:15pm
Subject: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... shanti
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I have been doing meditaion for 3 years now. I stumbled upon this web site a month back and it gave me answers to many of my questions. If somebody could guide me. I have made a lot of progress in meditation, however I seem to be stuck now. I don't feel anything different anymore. Its just darkness I see in my third eye. I am so tired of this. After listening to all the wonderful things that have happened to all the people, I get even more frustrated. I am at a point where I can feel a tingling sensation in my forehead, I feel the energy flow through me... however I am tired of the darkness... can somebody help me...
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1008 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jun 6, 2005 4:55pm
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... obsidian9999
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Hello Shanti (?),
a questions first:
. what kind of meditation are you doing? Are you talking about
mantra-yoga (of the kind in lesson 13) or any of the various spinal
breathing/shambhavi practices etc (which are not classified
as 'meditation' in AYP) ?
>> After listening to all the wonderful things that have happened to
all the people, I get even more frustrated.
A comment or two: notable experiences *during meditation* are not
valued highly on this path; what is valued is the contribution that
meditation makes to your life. If someone is seeing bright lights
and you are not, look on it as someone having indigestion, or a
headache and poor you are not.
You spoke of seeing darkness in your third eye. What does this mean
and what does it matter? I almost always see absolutely nothing
whatsoever in my third eye. When I see something in my third eye
during meditation I am not particularly happy about it, especially
if it is distracting. In fact, if I see bright lights and things
(which happens rarely now thankfully) I have to work on _not_getting
_annoyed_ that it is happening.
Tell me more about what seeing darkness in your third eye means to
you. Perhaps you are making a problem about nothing? Or perhaps you
have more to say about what it means....
For all I know, you are actually doing very well in your meditation
practice.
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> I have been doing meditaion for 3 years now. I stumbled upon this
web site a month back and it gave me answers to many of my questions.
If somebody could guide me. I have made a lot of progress in
meditation, however I seem to be stuck now. I don't feel anything
different anymore. Its just darkness I see in my third eye. I am so
tired of this. After listening to all the wonderful things that have
happened to all the people, I get even more frustrated. I am at a
point where I can feel a tingling sensation in my forehead, I feel
the energy flow through me... however I am tired of the darkness...
can somebody help me...
>
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1009 From: "shanti" <shanti@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jun 6, 2005 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... shanti
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I have in the course 5 years, practiced 2 kinds of meditations..
Silva's mind control, TM. Both of these helped get my mind calm. I
had never heard of the 3rd eye meditation. About 5 months ago, I was
tired of just closing my eyes and thinking of nothing. That is when,
I read the book Autobiography of an Yogi. That book touched me and I
had to find out more about "self realization". I started reading
about meditation, followed some guided meditation tapes. About 3
months ago, I could focus my mind on the 3rd eye and repeat my
mantra. I felt, this electricity flowing through me, I could feel my
third eye tingle. Then about a month ago I found this site. It was
exactly what I was looking for. Yogini, had answers to all my
questions.. about the sexual feelings, and the tingling in my
forehead. However, 3 months ago I felt so many emotions and changes,
I could feel something was happening. However now for about a month,
I don't feel any progress. All the people talk to Yogini and tell
about their wonderful experiences. How they saw light, how they could
feel the Kundalini rise up their spine, All I see is "blank".
Nothing... there are times I try to concentrate to see if I can see
anything... but no... nothing, It gets so hard to meditate
on "nothing". I have been told to visualize something like "OM".. I
am terrible at visualizing... so there too I have no luck. As a
result, after about 10 minutes my mind starts wandering.. I bring it
back...but I wish I could focus longer. Is there anything you can
tell me to do to make me stay focused a little longer. I love to
meditate, its never a chore for me, but I seem to be getting
frustrated these days.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Shanti (?),
>
> a questions first:
>
> . what kind of meditation are you doing? Are you talking about
> mantra-yoga (of the kind in lesson 13) or any of the various spinal
> breathing/shambhavi practices etc (which are not classified
> as 'meditation' in AYP) ?
>
> >> After listening to all the wonderful things that have happened
to
> all the people, I get even more frustrated.
>
> A comment or two: notable experiences *during meditation* are not
> valued highly on this path; what is valued is the contribution
that
> meditation makes to your life. If someone is seeing bright lights
> and you are not, look on it as someone having indigestion, or a
> headache and poor you are not.
>
> You spoke of seeing darkness in your third eye. What does this
mean
> and what does it matter? I almost always see absolutely nothing
> whatsoever in my third eye. When I see something in my third eye
> during meditation I am not particularly happy about it, especially
> if it is distracting. In fact, if I see bright lights and things
> (which happens rarely now thankfully) I have to work on _not_getting
> _annoyed_ that it is happening.
>
> Tell me more about what seeing darkness in your third eye means to
> you. Perhaps you are making a problem about nothing? Or perhaps
you
> have more to say about what it means....
>
> For all I know, you are actually doing very well in your
meditation
> practice.
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, shanti <shanti@y...>
> wrote:
> > I have been doing meditaion for 3 years now. I stumbled upon this
> web site a month back and it gave me answers to many of my
questions.
> If somebody could guide me. I have made a lot of progress in
> meditation, however I seem to be stuck now. I don't feel anything
> different anymore. Its just darkness I see in my third eye. I am so
> tired of this. After listening to all the wonderful things that
have
> happened to all the people, I get even more frustrated. I am at a
> point where I can feel a tingling sensation in my forehead, I feel
> the energy flow through me... however I am tired of the darkness...
> can somebody help me...
> >
> >
> >
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1014 From: "Richard" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... azaz932001
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "shanti" <shanti@y...>
wrote:
> I have in the course 5 years, practiced 2 kinds of meditations..
> Silva's mind control, TM. Both of these helped get my mind calm. I
> had never heard of the 3rd eye meditation. About 5 months ago, I
was
> tired of just closing my eyes and thinking of nothing. That is
when,
> I read the book Autobiography of an Yogi. That book touched me and
I
> had to find out more about "self realization". I started reading
> about meditation, followed some guided meditation tapes. About 3
> months ago, I could focus my mind on the 3rd eye and repeat my
> mantra. I felt, this electricity flowing through me, I could feel
my
> third eye tingle. Then about a month ago I found this site.
Hello there
You don't say if you have fixed on AYP as a system or if you are just
using it to supplement other practices.
If you are just dipping in so to speak it could cause some confusion.
I for one can thoroughly recommend using AYP as a stand alone
practice,
I have been where you are now. The trouble with using mixed practices
such as guided meditation or path working and mind control methods is
that they fix you in the habit of trying to concentrate. The results
produced by this sort of concentration tend to be transitory the
same as those produced by drugs. I know how you feel, its frustrating
to think you have got somewhere only to lose it and not be able to
get back there again.
Have a look at the main lessons on the AYP main web site and think
about following them step by step it really does work and from my
experience I think it will be the answer to your problem.
Blessings R.C.
1010 From: LucidOne <lucidinterval1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jun 6, 2005 9:23pm
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... lucidinterval1
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--- shweshantirtrshantioo.com> wrote:
I seem to be stuck now. I don't
> feel anything different anymore. Its just darkness I
> see in my third eye. I am so tired of this.
Realistically, you do not want to expect anything. I
find that the more that I just stay with the mantra,
the deeper concentration I can achieve. If you are
looking for lights or colors or have any expectation,
you are disrupting your real meditation. You will not
go deeper. Try to think of your meditation as your
gift back to God. It is like giving your child a
birthday present. You are not looking to get back a
hug or kiss. You are giving from your heart with no
return expectation. Your meditations will get deeper.
The devil is having his way with you. This path is
true. Only the strong willed will perspersevereardless
of the immediate rewards. Stay with it if you feel in
your heart that it is a worthy path.
With Peace,
Paul
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http://mail.yahoo.com 1015 From: "Melissa" <mm7810@gmail.com>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 9:08pm
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... mm78102002
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Hello Paul -
I just wanted to butt in here and say that I love you answer below!
It is perfect!
Namaste,
Melissa
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> Realistically, you do not want to expect anything. I
> find that the more that I just stay with the mantra,
> the deeper concentration I can achieve. If you are
> looking for lights or colors or have any expectation,
> you are disrupting your real meditation. You will not
> go deeper. Try to think of your meditation as your
> gift back to God. It is like giving your child a
> birthday present. You are not looking to get back a
> hug or kiss. You are giving from your heart with no
> return expectation. Your meditations will get deeper.
> The devil is having his way with you. This path is
> true. Only the strong willed will perspersevereardless
> of the immediate rewards. Stay with it if you feel in
> your heart that it is a worthy path.
> With Peace,
> Paul
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http://mail.yahoo.com 1016 From: SHANTA SAWH <shantasawh@yahoo.ca>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 10:47pm
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... shantasawh
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Hi Shanti,
I read your email and I do understand your dilema.
My question is why did you choose to do meditation and what do you want to achieve by doing it?
Any ways now that you are into meditation just enjoy doing the practice, do not stop for whatever may be the reason.
Never mind what it is you are seeing , darkness or light or a saint , keep going.
Do not get worked up about whatever is happenning or not happenning when you sit to do your practice. This is the secret. By developing this habit of not worryiny about whether you are making progress or not , or having this experience or no experience you will gain everything.
And as our respectful teacher says to us relax and take one day at a time..
warm regards,
Shanta
shanti <shanti@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have been doing meditaion for 3 years now. I stumbled upon this web site a month back and it gave me answers to many of my questions. If somebody could guide me. I have made a lot of progress in meditation, however I seem to be stuck now. I don't feel anything different anymore. Its just darkness I see in my third eye. I am so tired of this. After listening to all the wonderful things that have happened to all the people, I get even more frustrated. I am at a point where I can feel a tingling sensation in my forehead, I feel the energy flow through me... however I am tired of the darkness... can somebody help me...
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1020 From: "shanti" <shanti@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jun 8, 2005 9:06am
Subject: Re: Tired of the darkness during meditation..... shanti
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Thank you all for such wonderful advice. So much love in what you all
say. Richard, you are right, all the meditation processes may have me
mixed up. I have been doing what you asked me to do, going through
one lesson at a time in the main lesson section on the AYP main web
site. Thank you for your blessings. Paul I loved what you said. It is
true, I should not expect anything.. just enjoy the feeling of peace
and do it as an offering of thanks to God. Thank you. This morning,
that is what I did. Shanta, thank you for your kind words. I will
continue practicing my meditation. It is one thing that gives me pure
joy. I just get frustrated some times. These days all I want to all
day is sit and meditate. However that is not possible. Did anybody
ever get the feeling that are getting lazy or disinterested in their
day to day routine?
I guess knowing that there are other people who have gone through the
same frustrations and I am not alone, helps.
thank you all.
> Hi Shanti,
> I read your email and I do understand your dilema.
> My question is why did you choose to do meditation and what do you
want to achieve by doing it?
> Any ways now that you are into meditation just enjoy doing the
practice, do not stop for whatever may be the reason.
> Never mind what it is you are seeing , darkness or light or a
saint , keep going.
> Do not get worked up about whatever is happenning or not
happenning when you sit to do your practice. This is the secret. By
developing this habit of not worryiny about whether you are making
progress or not , or having this experience or no experience you will
gain everything.
> And as our respectful teacher says to us relax and take one
day at a time..
> warm regards,
> Shanta
