806 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:53am
Subject: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations jim_and_his_...
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The furrowing of the brow at third eye in sambhavi is supposed to be an extremely
subtle, almost purely energetic/intentional action. And, indeed, that's what it's been for
me. Until now. Lately, in meditation, it's as if more and more energy is moving through my
third eye. And I find that I'm really scrunching up my forehead when this happens (totally
involuntarily).
I'm guessing it's a sign of impurities being worked out, so I'm not worried about it. But my
forehead aches after meditation from the muscle strain. Anyone else getting this?
Another interesting thing I'm finding is that even though my physical eyes are pointed
way, way, way up and in in sambhavi, my energetic eyes are totally relaxed and can freely
move in any direction. E.g., I can feel that I'm looking downward even though
my eyes are tightly pulled upward into sambhavi. In fact, I could almost swear that my
eyes are moving around normally, though they're not.
Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going down the front of my
forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before? Anyone know their skull
anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the head, but this is
kind of creepy.
810 From: "azaz932001" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:09am
Subject: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations azaz932001
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
> Another interesting thing I'm finding is that even though my
physical eyes are pointed
> way, way, way up and in in sambhavi, my energetic eyes are totally
relaxed and can freely
> move in any direction. E.g., I can feel that I'm looking downward
even though
> my eyes are tightly pulled upward into sambhavi. In fact, I could
almost swear that my
> eyes are moving around normally, though they're not.
>
> Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going
down the front of my
> forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before?
Anyone know their skull
> anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the
head, but this is
> kind of creepy.
Hi Jim
I get the same thing with my eyes they go into sambhavi automatically
when I start to meditate and stay there as long as I don't find
myself thinking about it. Yes and the energetic eyes do apear to be
able to move. The same thing is hapening during spinal breathing and
the inner eyes appear to be able to follow the spinal nerve.
The crack thing sounds a bit scary
Blessings R.C.
812 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:57am
Subject: RE: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations paula_youmans
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Hi Jim,
I did have a think kind of like that.Where it felt like my head
was fuzzy around my teeth and nose. I did this weird stretch thing like
pulling your ears back (you know how when people try and move their ears).
My face cracked - no joke. I mean the bones. Very physically.
It was like a positioning of the face.
Wish I could explain better LOL.but yeah, I think it has happened to many
people.
Warmest regards,
Paula
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> Another interesting thing I'm finding is that even though my
physical eyes are pointed
> way, way, way up and in in sambhavi, my energetic eyes are totally
relaxed and can freely
> move in any direction. E.g., I can feel that I'm looking downward
even though
> my eyes are tightly pulled upward into sambhavi. In fact, I could
almost swear that my
> eyes are moving around normally, though they're not.
>
> Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going
down the front of my
> forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before?
Anyone know their skull
> anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the
head, but this is
> kind of creepy.
813 From: "Athena Janiszewski" <athena5250@rogers.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:07am
Subject: RE: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations soror_x2
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First of all, I am so thankful this list exists as it is a relief to hear
people describing things I've experienced as well. My doctor and friends
laugh at me when I mention some things, but I feel that I may be taken
seriously here.
I too have experienced the crinkling in the forehead, but for me they are
spontaneous muscle spasms that almost feel like a wink. It's as if my third
eye is winking at me!! This does not necessarily happen during meditational
periods, but I have noticed it happening when I am so focused that I have
lost myself, in a sense.
Also, I have been quite certain for over a year now that my skull has
changed. This has been a somewhat major issue. To present my story in a
nutshell, I experienced a serious opening of my Sahasrara chakra January
before last. I was experiencing the most painful headaches during this
visionary period, and spent months after learning to ease the pain through
breathing and visualization exercises. I think my kundalini energy was
blocked - I told my doctor everything, and even got a CT scan, but
physically I was/am in perfect health. The visualization/breathing exercises
were working at easing the pain, so I kept doing them. I rarely get those
headaches now.
But my skull! Soon after this happened, I felt as if the bones in my head
were shifting, I truly feel a large crack-dent down the middle of my skull
now that I am quite sure was not there before. My doctor said that this is
impossible, and perhaps it is just my imagination, but it certainly feels as
though parts of me are physically changing.
Apparently physical change is part of any 'awakening' process, I just wish
there was more empirical data to compare our experiences with; it would also
make me feel better to know that this is normal.
Thanks for letting me share - and thank you for sharing,
Athena
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816 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:29pm
Subject: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations jim_and_his_...
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Welcome, Athena. not to freak you out or anything, just because there are people here
who report similar experiences to yours doesn't mean that you're NOT getting flaky!
I don't say this to be cruel, and none of this is related to you, personally, or anything in
your fine, level-headed posting. But it's important to be aware of the resonance effect of
groupthink in a forum like this. We all live in the real world. We've not chosen to be
renunciates in caves. Our practices are important, but moving with ease in the world is top
priority. So, come here for light validation and helpful information and community, but
remember that the real world, for our present purposes, lies out THERE.
But, believe me, I understand. I can't talk about any of this stuff with my friends/family!
But I see
the importance of not becoming withdrawn or alienated, or having my ego inflate
with some notion of secret superiority. We're cleaning crud off our windsheilds with these
practices, that's all. So I keep reminding myself of that. Indians are
such wonderful and imaginative writers. They've depicted this path with lovely metaphors,
which were beautifully effective in agrarian societies of millennia long past. But those
metaphors can play into western materialism (all of us climbing our various ladders) in an
unfortunate way (I recommend Chogyam Trungpa's "Cutting through Spiritual
Materialism" for more info). So I don't cling to metaphors of chariot races or ascensions to
heavenly realms. My modern, urban mind dovetails best with thinking of these practices as
akin to cleaning my windshield or brushing my teeth. And i love AYP for being so mild-
mannered yet deeply heartfelt (a hard combination to find!).
Yeah, the pleasant little muscle spasms. I don't sweat them unless they seem to be
assymetrical - left or right side of the brow center. If that's the case, I'm careful in
spinal breathing to keep a nice left/right symmetry as I ascend/descend. I also recheck my
sitting posture to be sure I'm straight. if 3rd eye remains assymetrical, I do asana practice
(concentrating on twists....they're best for left/right assymetries). If it's not a left/right
thing, I just figure the "radio" is crackling a little with those spasms...just electricity stuff.
It's impurities being worked out; it'll get smoother (like everything else).
My understanding is that headache is a fairly common symptom even of non-disastrous
openings. What you're describing goes a bit beyond, though. Glad you're doing better!! I'm
currently working on a really extended article I'll call The Kundalini Survival Kit, for people
with relatively light, non-crazy symptoms. sounds like you're back on track, but if you're
still suffering, shoot me an email and I'll send you an early draft (I'd really prefer not to
release it till it's done, but....).
You're very right about lack of empirical data. This is adventure travel. It's not a junket to
Cancun where all exigencies have been anticipated and smoothed out. You've got to be
self-reliant and resourceful to walk this path. Yogani does an admirable job of
encouraging practitioners to cultivate these qualities.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Athena Janiszewski" <athena5250@r...> wrote:
>
> First of all, I am so thankful this list exists as it is a relief to hear
> people describing things I've experienced as well. My doctor and friends
> laugh at me when I mention some things, but I feel that I may be taken
> seriously here.
>
>
>
> I too have experienced the crinkling in the forehead, but for me they are
> spontaneous muscle spasms that almost feel like a wink. It's as if my third
> eye is winking at me!! This does not necessarily happen during meditational
> periods, but I have noticed it happening when I am so focused that I have
> lost myself, in a sense.
>
>
>
> Also, I have been quite certain for over a year now that my skull has
> changed. This has been a somewhat major issue. To present my story in a
> nutshell, I experienced a serious opening of my Sahasrara chakra January
> before last. I was experiencing the most painful headaches during this
> visionary period, and spent months after learning to ease the pain through
> breathing and visualization exercises. I think my kundalini energy was
> blocked - I told my doctor everything, and even got a CT scan, but
> physically I was/am in perfect health. The visualization/breathing exercises
> were working at easing the pain, so I kept doing them. I rarely get those
> headaches now.
>
>
>
> But my skull! Soon after this happened, I felt as if the bones in my head
> were shifting, I truly feel a large crack-dent down the middle of my skull
> now that I am quite sure was not there before. My doctor said that this is
> impossible, and perhaps it is just my imagination, but it certainly feels as
> though parts of me are physically changing.
>
>
>
> Apparently physical change is part of any 'awakening' process, I just wish
> there was more empirical data to compare our experiences with; it would also
> make me feel better to know that this is normal.
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting me share - and thank you for sharing,
>
> Athena
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
819 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations obsidian9999
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> Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going down the front
of my
> forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before? Anyone
know their skull
> anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the head,
but this is
> kind of creepy.
Hi Jim,
I don't think that that crack is a crack in a literal sense. I don't think Kundalini
shifts the bones, but there may be a subjective, energetic experience of a
crack. These energetic things may (this is a speculation of mine purely now)
have something to do with the muscles around the scalp.
If you experience energetic imbalances in the scalp muscles, try Bugs Bunny
Kriya, which consists of moving one ear at a time. Eventually it can be
worked into a 'twirl' of the scalp muscles, kind of like nauli Kriya is for lower
down. See Yogani's instructions on Nauli Kriya.
I'm not entirely joking --- yoga was born of experimentation, although 99.9%
of the results have to be thrown away for being useless!
-David
820 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations jim_and_his_...
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I'm not being trippy...there's literally a crack going down my forehead and between the
brows. Probing with a finger, it's quite prominent. Maybe it was there before, I don't know.
I don't probe my face all that often
And my reading of the literature is that most authorities agree that kundalini energy does
move around bones in the skull when it gets up there. in fact, that's responsible for a lot
of the reports of "headaches". It's not so weird...puberty also brings about lots of
physiological changes in bones and other fundamental structures.
Sorry I'm too swamped right now to come up with links on this, but a bit of googling will
yield corroboration of this.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going down the front
> of my
> > forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before? Anyone
> know their skull
> > anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the head,
> but this is
> > kind of creepy.
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I don't think that that crack is a crack in a literal sense. I don't think Kundalini
> shifts the bones, but there may be a subjective, energetic experience of a
> crack. These energetic things may (this is a speculation of mine purely now)
> have something to do with the muscles around the scalp.
>
> If you experience energetic imbalances in the scalp muscles, try Bugs Bunny
> Kriya, which consists of moving one ear at a time. Eventually it can be
> worked into a 'twirl' of the scalp muscles, kind of like nauli Kriya is for lower
> down. See Yogani's instructions on Nauli Kriya.
>
> I'm not entirely joking --- yoga was born of experimentation, although 99.9%
> of the results have to be thrown away for being useless!
>
> -David
824 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:28am
Subject: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations obsidian9999
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Jim,
there may be some language difficulties here. I thought you are saying there
is a crack in the bones of you skull. But it seems you are only talking about a
furrow in your brow? (Or are you actually talking about a crack in your
bones?) And I thought that Athena is corroberating this experience:
>> I truly feel a large crack-dent down the middle of my skull
now that I am quite sure was not there before.
I'd be interested in seeing properly measured changes in the bone structure
of the head. What I can say is that I have had a lot of energetic experiences
that were 'like' experience of the bones moving around in my head. If I were
in a community going through the same thing, we might all be writing about it,
earnestly talking about the bones shifting around in our heads. This could be
what is happening in the 'folklore' out there about kundalini. These sources
could certainly be reliable and earnest, but mistaken about the detail.
The separate bones of the skull fuse together after infancy. One thing that
could maybe happen is that the bones slowly grow into a different
configuration.
I suppose, to keep it short, I'd be very slow to go from the energetic
experience to the objective conclusions. Especially if the objective
conclusions are, as you say, a little creepy. A lot of this creepiness could be
coming from our thinking that they are objective when they might not be.
Best regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" <
jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not being trippy...there's literally a crack going down my forehead and
between the
> brows. Probing with a finger, it's quite prominent. Maybe it was there before,
I don't know.
> I don't probe my face all that often
>
> And my reading of the literature is that most authorities agree that kundalini
energy does
> move around bones in the skull when it gets up there. in fact, that's
responsible for a lot
> of the reports of "headaches". It's not so weird...puberty also brings about
lots of
> physiological changes in bones and other fundamental structures.
>
> Sorry I'm too swamped right now to come up with links on this, but a bit of
googling will
> yield corroboration of this.
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going down the
front
> > of my
> > > forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before? Anyone
> > know their skull
> > > anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the
head,
> > but this is
> > > kind of creepy.
> >
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I don't think that that crack is a crack in a literal sense. I don't think
Kundalini
> > shifts the bones, but there may be a subjective, energetic experience of a
> > crack. These energetic things may (this is a speculation of mine purely
now)
> > have something to do with the muscles around the scalp.
> >
> > If you experience energetic imbalances in the scalp muscles, try Bugs
Bunny
> > Kriya, which consists of moving one ear at a time. Eventually it can be
> > worked into a 'twirl' of the scalp muscles, kind of like nauli Kriya is for
lower
> > down. See Yogani's instructions on Nauli Kriya.
> >
> > I'm not entirely joking --- yoga was born of experimentation, although
99.9%
> > of the results have to be thrown away for being useless!
> >
> > -David
829 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Apr 24, 2005 0:56pm
Subject: Re: Scrunching up Forehead and other Sambhavi Observations jim_and_his_...
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David, the brow furrowing and the crack are separate issues. Re: the latter, I seem to be
scrunching up my forehead at the sheer force of the energy blasting through this point,
and it's slightly uncomfortable, so I'm hoping it goes away, and was wondering if anyone
had experience with this. My hope is to verify what I suspect: that eventually i'll be able to
support that energy with my forehead relaxed. The tension disrupts my meditation a little.
As for the crack, again, David, the bone shifting thing is not my conclusion. Again, if you'll
do some googling you'll see that much spiritual literature states that physical, not
energetic, bone movement occurs with kundalini awakening. I'm not saying it's true, but
it's a widely disseminated observation. I'm more interested in doing my practice than
getting really involved with these side issues. But I can trace with my finger a fairly wide
crack descending from the left part of my crown, past the left temple, zooming diagonally
down the center of my forehead and between my brows. This is my real, physical finger
and my real, physical head. Nothing conceptual or energetic. And this crack may have
always been there. No idea. We all have cracks in our skulls - that I know, though my
anatomy knowledge doesn't go much further than that.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> there may be some language difficulties here. I thought you are saying there
> is a crack in the bones of you skull. But it seems you are only talking about a
> furrow in your brow? (Or are you actually talking about a crack in your
> bones?) And I thought that Athena is corroberating this experience:
>
> >> I truly feel a large crack-dent down the middle of my skull
> now that I am quite sure was not there before.
>
> I'd be interested in seeing properly measured changes in the bone structure
> of the head. What I can say is that I have had a lot of energetic experiences
> that were 'like' experience of the bones moving around in my head. If I were
> in a community going through the same thing, we might all be writing about it,
> earnestly talking about the bones shifting around in our heads. This could be
> what is happening in the 'folklore' out there about kundalini. These sources
> could certainly be reliable and earnest, but mistaken about the detail.
>
> The separate bones of the skull fuse together after infancy. One thing that
> could maybe happen is that the bones slowly grow into a different
> configuration.
>
> I suppose, to keep it short, I'd be very slow to go from the energetic
> experience to the objective conclusions. Especially if the objective
> conclusions are, as you say, a little creepy. A lot of this creepiness could be
> coming from our thinking that they are objective when they might not be.
>
> Best regards,
>
> -David
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" <
> jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not being trippy...there's literally a crack going down my forehead and
> between the
> > brows. Probing with a finger, it's quite prominent. Maybe it was there before,
> I don't know.
> > I don't probe my face all that often
> >
> > And my reading of the literature is that most authorities agree that kundalini
> energy does
> > move around bones in the skull when it gets up there. in fact, that's
> responsible for a lot
> > of the reports of "headaches". It's not so weird...puberty also brings about
> lots of
> > physiological changes in bones and other fundamental structures.
> >
> > Sorry I'm too swamped right now to come up with links on this, but a bit of
> googling will
> > yield corroboration of this.
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, I notice that I have a fairly wide and severe crack going down the
> front
> > > of my
> > > > forehead and through the third eye. Uh...was that there before? Anyone
> > > know their skull
> > > > anatomy? I know that kundalini awakening shifts bones around in the
> head,
> > > but this is
> > > > kind of creepy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > I don't think that that crack is a crack in a literal sense. I don't think
> Kundalini
> > > shifts the bones, but there may be a subjective, energetic experience of a
> > > crack. These energetic things may (this is a speculation of mine purely
> now)
> > > have something to do with the muscles around the scalp.
> > >
> > > If you experience energetic imbalances in the scalp muscles, try Bugs
> Bunny
> > > Kriya, which consists of moving one ear at a time. Eventually it can be
> > > worked into a 'twirl' of the scalp muscles, kind of like nauli Kriya is for
> lower
> > > down. See Yogani's instructions on Nauli Kriya.
> > >
> > > I'm not entirely joking --- yoga was born of experimentation, although
> 99.9%
> > > of the results have to be thrown away for being useless!
> > >
> > > -David
