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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 02:45:37 PM »
I fully empathize with your consternation, Bourgo. The more I move along with my life and practices, the more I have a distaste for the abstract language of the Advaita teachers.

I like Walt Whitman-type stuff. I like the poets and mystics that constantly use grassroots examples and don't deny the manifest world. Those are the ones that get the blood pumping and serve as practical inspiration.

Here's a great poem by Robinson Jeffers to illustrate what I'm talking about. It's called "Rock and Hawk":

Here is a symbol in which
Many high tragic thoughts
Watch their own eyes.

This gray rock, standing tall
On the headland, where the sea-wind
Lets no tree grow,

Earthquake-proved, and signatured
By ages of storms: on its peak
A falcon has perched.

I think, here is your emblem
To hang in the future sky;
Not the cross, not the hive,

But this; bright power, dark peace;
Fierce consciousness joined with final
Disinterestedness;

Life with calm death; the falcon’s
Realist eyes and act
Married to the massive

Mysticism of stone,
Which failure cannot cast down
Nor success make proud.


Keepin' it real with you, Bourgo! Don't swallow any pills you don't want to! [8D]

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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2012, 02:04:06 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Bourgo
In one sequence, someone asked him if 'he cared when his children were ill'....
He replied that he 'did what was necessary but did not care whether the outcome was good or bad'.


Bhagavad Gita
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The intricacies of action are very hard to understand. Therefore one should know properly what action is, what forbidden action is, and what inaction is. -4.17

One who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction, is intelligent among men, and he is in the transcendental position, although engaged in all sorts of activities. -4.18

Abandoning all attachment to the results of his activities, ever satisfied and independent, he performs no fruitive action, although engaged in all kinds of undertakings. -4.20

Bourgo

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2012, 11:09:17 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
There is no such thing as one perfect teacher for everyone. I know that is controversial, as most religions think there is. But that is only perfect for them. If there were one perfect teacher for everyone, everyone would be drawn to only that one teacher.



I have found that Eckhart Tolle's way of teaching resonates much better with me.  Not only is some of the meaning of the original dialogue not lost due to translation (and cultural differences), but Eckhart's explanation of the enlightened state seems much more "whole and complete" than the dark and almost depressing reality presented by Maharaj.

This, of course, is just the way I see it.

karl

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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2012, 01:22:19 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Bourgo

quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
There is no such thing as one perfect teacher for everyone. I know that is controversial, as most religions think there is. But that is only perfect for them. If there were one perfect teacher for everyone, everyone would be drawn to only that one teacher.



I have found that Eckhart Tolle's way of teaching resonates much better with me.  Not only is some of the meaning of the original dialogue not lost due to translation (and cultural differences), but Eckhart's explanation of the enlightened state seems much more "whole and complete" than the dark and almost depressing reality presented by Maharaj.

This, of course, is just the way I see it.



It's all one [:)] it's seems important now that you should have a preference, but just like food, it doesn't really matter what it tastes like, as long as it nourishes the body. The words don't matter at all[:D] its the intent.

parvati9

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2013, 05:35:33 AM »
By way of introduction...

After thorough consideration over the past several months, it seemed to me that this would be the best place for me to begin.  Since a brief email correspondence with yogani last June 2012, I have been reluctant to participate in the forums due to sensitive and problematic issues.  Nevertheless something kept nagging at my heart to do so.  And thus I was in a quandary.  What to do?  Where to begin, how to begin, or even to begin at all?

So here is the first post and hopefully it will become apparent why it felt most comfortable to post in this thread, as opposed to elsewhere or starting my own thread.

When I found this site, I had been searching without success for some support and explanation of the circumstances I found myself in.  So I poured my heart out to yogani.  Well then what happened is that I clammed up.  It was probably due to a combination of things.  I was terrified of sharing my experience in any type of public forum, was extremely confused, was just beginning to find my way out of a sort of nightmare scenario, and wanted to at least appear discrete and sensible.  At this point I have to laugh at the way I framed my resistance.  

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My story begins with a super major samadhi I had in the summer of the year 2000 in which I not only experienced the OM sound/vibration, but I became this current.  The samadhi was intense for several hours and altogether lasted maybe 3 or 4 days.  What had precipitated the samadhi was very specific.  

I had been reading and studying I AM THAT with Nisargadatta Maharaj.  One passage apparently catapulted me into the samadhi...    Page 175, chapter 39 'By Itself Nothing Has Existence'.  He had been saying that what we take for real is merely a reflection of the real.  Then he had issued the challenge - why have consciousness focus on the reflection, why not focus on the real itself?  haha.  yes.  but....how to do this?  

Well...on that day in the middle of August 2000, I just went with my longing.  My copy of I AM THAT looks like it has been through a war.  It is my most cherished book, I am always in it.  I had extremely intense longing and it became like a boat to carry me across the river...I imagined using every fiber of my being to obey Nisargatta's suggestion and was subsequently delivered into the depths of OM.  It was marvelous.  But I quickly forgot about it.  As I had learned not to cling to samadhis no matter how ecstatic and blissful they are.

Since corresponding with yogani, I began to recall the experiencial history of my spiritual path - objectively trying to get a handle on my rather weird energy by tying it down to a timeline of dates and experience.  After much due diligence, it became obvious that the energy fluctuations and weirdness - it all began with this samadhi.  Up to that point, my life had been relatively quiet and manageable.

This is a long post but there is one more thing to address.  When I was 8 years old it was quite natural to engage in "who am I?" and neti-neti.  It ended up with an out of body experience, which I found could be repeated upon demand any time I wanted over the next few years.  Much much later when I found my guru Ramana Maharshi in a pamphlet in New Mexico, it became very clear that Ramana has been my guru for at least the last few lifetimes and perhaps longer.  As nearly as possible, I am constantly engaging in self inquiry as the foundation of my consciousness.  It constitutes a kind of ongoing meditation which I may have been doing all my life since infancy.


Mods, please feel free to move this post if you feel it should be elsewhere.


maheswari

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2013, 05:57:00 AM »
hello paravati9
thank u for sharing and welcome to the forums[:)]

parvati9

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2013, 09:26:01 AM »
Thankyou for the welcome maheswari.


Does Nisargadatta present a dark and almost depressing reality? (as OP says)  Maybe to some he does.  He can be helpful to those who repeatedly come to the edge of the cliff and fail to make the leap.  He's like the cheerleader who stands with me and says, "you can do it, it really is so easy, it really is effortless.  Just leap!  Now go on....do it...there's nothing stopping you and nothing to fear."

The LEAP is simply jumping into the loving arms of your Real Self.  For me the leap is taking a flying jump through all the barriers between me and the Divine.  Don't go around the obstacle; go straight through it.  This takes enormous clarity of intent and focused energy.  Nisargadatta cuts through my foolishness in a way that delivers me to the leap.  You can't leap while carrying a load of baggage.  Nisargadatta helps you see that your baggage is useless so that you can release it and then work on what matters - focusing your intent.

So what Nisargadatta does for me is he reveals in a way I can clearly see---that all the obstacles I continually put inbetween me and God---they aren't real.  You know, they are all in my imagination.

But before you can get to that point, you need to distinguish between what is real and what isn't real.  This is essentially what occured for me in the samadhi described above.

There comes a point of no return.  You become committed and married to the path for better or worse and there is no going back to the comfort zone of being completely asleep.  You may keep on running toward pleasure and away from pain.  But after awhile you see it isn't working.  

When you realize what you've always done isn't working, then you're ripe to listen to the teacher.  I can see that Nisargadatta isn't perfect for everyone.  But he sure cut through all my excuses, rationalizations, hesitations, etc.  When he says leap - I am inspired to leap just because he said to do it.  I guess that means I trust him.

It may take some time for the right teacher to draw you near.  You have to make it clear to the universe what you want.  Once you do so, the right teacher will be able to find you, guaranteed.


kami

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2013, 11:16:48 AM »
Hi Parvati9,

Welcome to the forums.

Your words and writing are deeply inspiring and resonate profoundly here. Thanks so much for sharing. Looking forward to more from you.

Love,
kami

parvati9

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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2013, 02:04:48 AM »
Thankyou very much kami for the warm welcome.

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2013, 03:24:19 AM »
Hi Parvati9, and welcome to the forums.

Very much enjoy your writing, and wish to hear again from your experiences, and thoughts on other discussions. It is insightful, and inspiring.

I have read about others who have encountered (perhaps through clairvoyance) a guru that they later recognized as Ramana Maharshi. I don't recall the author in one case, but he said it was an ongoing occurrence when he was just an infant. Such recollection is impressive at such early ages, maybe as much as direct access to memories of past lives.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj also asserted that guidance will be provided to everyone "from within."

"When a gnani joins the universal mind,
all his goodness and wisdom become the heritage of humanity
and uplift every human being" (I Am That, p. 89).

It emphasizes the importance of both becoming ripe (integrity, meditation, purification..) and of passing it on like the saying here at AYP about candles lighting candles.

parvati9

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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2013, 06:31:44 AM »
AumNaturel thankyou for the welcome and positive feedback, also for the reference p.89 which I looked up.  

For me, I AM THAT is a spiritual treasure worth far more than the material cost.


karl

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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2013, 12:47:42 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by parvati9

AumNaturel thankyou for the welcome and positive feedback, also for the reference p.89 which I looked up.  

For me, I AM THAT is a spiritual treasure worth far more than the material cost.





Welcome Parvati.

You are the key to your own lock. [:)]

parvati9

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2013, 02:18:43 PM »
Haha.  Thankyou Karl.  

Is that a variation on 'the guru is in you'?  

maheswari

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2013, 05:04:46 PM »
quote:
You are the key to your own lock.

[:D]

karl

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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2013, 01:13:40 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by parvati9

Haha.  Thankyou Karl.  

Is that a variation on 'the guru is in you'?  




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