My latest kechari problem

[alwayson2]

I have gotten rid of all the tendon underneath the frenum through "creative snipping."  

I did go to dental school for three years until my enlightenment experience took over...

Problem is that, the TOP ATTACHMENT IS TOO HIGH.  I still have a frenum of pure mucosa (what you guys call skin).

[alwayson2]

Maybe a picture would help

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy246/alwayson/tongue.jpg

[CarsonZi]

Hi Alwayson.....

Your frenulum is not attached too high if that is your tongue in the picture.  My tongue tether is much higher then that and I too have little to no frenulum left.  I think your problem (based on the picture) is likely that your tongue is a little short.  It may be helpful to actively engage in some tongue milking and other stretching exercises.  I can get all the way into Kechari stage 4 now (well, I can put the tongue in the nostril holes anyways), but I still can't get the tongue behind the uvula without using a finger to push it back.  What made it possible for me to get into the higher stages of Kechari was totally stretching it.  I couldn't get into stage 2 even after having almost no frenulum left (about as much as you have).  Once I started tongue milking everyday before pranayam, I soon found myself with enough length to get all the way up into the nostril holes.  

Hope this helps.

Love!

[alwayson2]

Yes that is my tongue.  

Thanks for the idea of stretching.  I have not tried that in a LONG time, so maybe thats the answer.

[Victor]

I agree with Carson. stretch, stretch, stretch. Use your fingers to stretch your tongue out, be creative and stretch in different directions. Thats how I did it and now kechari feels like home and I can't imagine NOT doing it. I can now easily reach the inner nostrils which really helps in pranayama. Like anything in yoga it takes time and practice but also like anything in yoga you should get results with consistant stretching.
Nice teeth by the way. Wish mine looked so good

[alwayson2]

quote:Originally posted by Victor


Nice teeth by the way. Wish mine looked so good

I floss everyday.  Thats key to oral health.

If you floss everyday, you won't have to get ugly silver fillings.

Cutting out sugar and acids are also important.

[alwayson2]

So the way I am stretching out my tongue, is sticking it out as far as I possibly can, grabbing it with a piece of cloth, and then pulling on it like there is no tomorrow.

[Victor]

that works. You can use fingers without cloth too. Not sure about pulling like there is no tomorrow. You might want to use that tongue tomorrow, but thats the idea. pull it in different directions. left, right, up down etc. explore it.

[shaktipath]

Hi !
You have enough length but the tongue is not used to be in a position to go upwards, hence stays in that position where looks short and fat .
Help yourself with 2 fingers to push it in a second stage. You can milk it inwards making the muscle used to be in different shape.
It is all matter of exercise so the tongue will not fall out , in the very beginning and later you will not need fingers to push it in anymore.
So tongue can be wide and small or sharp and tall and you need to master shape shifting.
Welcome to the subtle joys, where gentler you are more sensitivity you develop so being there  gives more pleasure.(less gives more)
Nice cutting you have done !
shakty

[alwayson2]

quote:Originally posted by shaktipath

Hi !
You have enough length...

Here is a length shot.  Did not know how to pose the tongue LOL.  

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy246/alwayson/IMG_2571.jpg



P.S.  I have been stretching the tongue out every day.

[Victor]

when you can touch your tongue to the tip of your nose you should be able to do kechari

[alwayson2]

I definitely can't do that....yet

[alwayson2]

I am still stretching like a maniac.  Honestly, I have not seen much progress, but I am still hopefull.  

Can you all let me know how long it takes?

[Victor]

Everyone is different. It took me a few weeks I guess but a comparative example might be how long does it take to learn Hanumanasana (the splits). A teenaged girl might take a few weeks to learn it, I am working on that pose and give myself a year of regular practice, and maybe some can never learn it. I have never met you, so have no idea how long it would take you.

[CarsonZi]

Totally agree with Victor.  Everyone has a different tongue and it will take a different amount of time for each individual.  I started with trimming the frenulum, but I found that the combination of cutting (which I only had to do a few times) and stretching was way more effective then either practice on their own.  Personally it took me about a year to get from stage 1 into stage 2, but once I was in stage 2 it only took a few months before I was able to get into stage 4.  And I think that some people's soft palette is different from others.  Personally I still can't get into stage 2 without finger help (even though once the tongue is "up there" I can go all the way to stage 4) and I think a lot of that has to do with 1. the shape of the tongue and 2. how far back in the mouth the soft palette goes to.  I seem to have a soft palette that "goes on forever".  I doubt that I will ever get to a point where I don't need the fingers in order to put the tongue in the higher stages of kechari.  

Love!