Expanded Sushumna

[Tibetan_Ice]

Hi,
 During this morning's meditation's spinal breathing, something shifted. Usually, during spinal breathing, my witness/awareness has the point of view that it is located up and ahead of the spine. That is, it is like the center of me is somewhere in the head around the medulla and when you send your attention up and down the spine during spinal breathing, it is as if you are just ahead and above of the spine/sushumna and you are looking down at it from the exterior.

 From this exterior perspective, the sushumna looks like a pink/blue/whitish colored straw about 1/4 inch thick and it has bends in it or knots around a location in the lower abdomen and the heart (that I can see).
 
 What happened this morning is that instead of having the usual perspective of viewing the sushumna from that angle, something inside me shifted and my perception started telecoping up and down the interior of the sushumna. It is like I can push my awareness up and down directly from the inside of the sushumna instead of being on the outside. Further, I could not find an angled junction that led to the third eye by the brows. It went straight up.  

 When it first happened I thought it was really neat.  The sushumna opened up about 2 inches thick and it was like being in an elevator with my awareness, travelling directly up and down. It was no longer me sending my attention up and down, it was like the pictures or visual field was changing but "I" was remaining constant.  I could see slices of body parts as my focus of awareness went up and down or what seemed to be more in and out. I had to struggle a bit to maintain that new perspective but towards the end of the SB session I had it down pretty good.
 
 During this afternoon's meditation's spinal breathing a new and exciting phenomenon appeared. Where do I begin?

 When I looked down to start spinal breathing, there was no more sushumna, or rather, the sushumna was about 10 inches wide. It was transparent but I could see fine lines of light defining the enlargened hollow tube or shaft. I had turned into a jelly fish of light! There was no more body. It was as though I was floating in space and I had become just a point of view with a translucent wrap surrounding me.

 Determined to perform spinal breathing, I took my attention from the bottom of that open-ended transparent tunnel and brought it to the top. At the top of the sushumna, there was no more top, no more physical head, only an opening into space. The opening kind of fanned out and wrapped around the top of my head like I had become a huge magnetic field. I searched for the spinal nerve which should have been towards my third eye but it was not there. I think it was there but in a different plane because I made an effort to see it and I remembered an image of it but I decided not to force anything so I let it go.

 I kept on with the spinal breathing, going up and down but it seemed really stupid to do this. I mean, I moved my attention to the bottom and there is nothing but a widening hole and nothing but space beyond it. The whole sushumna was transparent and I could see space and fine colors or very dim lights in the far background. Like being in the void. As I brought my attention up, there was really nothing to see other than that space and dim lights. At the top the fine filament lighted strands of the sushumna started bending outwards like they were wrapping around what was left of me.

  I did the spinal breathing for about 10 minutes like that but I kept asking myself, why am I doing this? What is going on here? I had become some kind of light/energy field suspended in space? Is there any point to spinal breathing after you've become a transluscent field of energy/light that resembles a magnetic field with the poles on each end?  What are you supposed to do next?

  Has anyone else had this experience? Is that what Yogani means by the sushumna eventually expands?

  Hopefully someone here has had the same experience. It would sure be nice to hear from you.

Thanks.

TI

[CarsonZi]

Hi TI...

You might not want to hear this, but, "It's all scenery"....don't get attached to it, and don't try to figure it out.  

I would say, although I can't know this, that this is how you experience the expanded sushumna nadi.  And eventually it will get even bigger...it will encompass the entire universe and more.  In Lesson 52 Yogani says "It is a very big little nerve. An amazing paradox. The inner dimension of it contains galaxies."

This is a natural part of the purification of the sushumna nadi and it is a good thing.  It is also a good thing to just continue with Spinal Breathing as Yogani instructs, and not get too caught up in the scenery.  As Lesson 94 says "If you are doing spinal breathing and, as you come up to the third eye on inhalation, your ishta (your chosen ideal – Jesus, Krishna, Moses, Mohammed, Mother Divine, etc.) comes galloping up to you in a golden chariot, beckoning you to climb in and go for a ride, what do you do? You easily exhale and go back down the spinal nerve."  Enjoy the fact that your sushumna is expanding, but don't get attached to any particular perspective of it as that will slow down progress.  Allow things to be as they are and continue doing your practices without trying to understand everything with the mind....be easy with yourself and let the chips fall where they may.  

Sorry if this was not the answer you were looking for....it's all I got[]

Hope you and All have a wonderful holiday season.

Love,

[Tibetan_Ice]

quote:Originally posted by CarsonZi

Hi TI...

You might not want to hear this, but, "It's all scenery"....don't get attached to it, and don't try to figure it out.  

I would say, although I can't know this, that this is how you experience the expanded sushumna nadi.  And eventually it will get even bigger...it will encompass the entire universe and more.  In Lesson 52 Yogani says "It is a very big little nerve. An amazing paradox. The inner dimension of it contains galaxies."

This is a natural part of the purification of the sushumna nadi and it is a good thing.  It is also a good thing to just continue with Spinal Breathing as Yogani instructs, and not get too caught up in the scenery.  As Lesson 94 says "If you are doing spinal breathing and, as you come up to the third eye on inhalation, your ishta (your chosen ideal – Jesus, Krishna, Moses, Mohammed, Mother Divine, etc.) comes galloping up to you in a golden chariot, beckoning you to climb in and go for a ride, what do you do? You easily exhale and go back down the spinal nerve."  Enjoy the fact that your sushumna is expanding, but don't get attached to any particular perspective of it as that will slow down progress.  Allow things to be as they are and continue doing your practices without trying to understand everything with the mind....be easy with yourself and let the chips fall where they may.  

Sorry if this was not the answer you were looking for....it's all I got[]

Hope you and All have a wonderful holiday season.

Love,

Hi Carson,
  Well thanks for trying.. I think I've voiced my opinions about 'scenery' before and I see no need to go into that discussion again. And, if I see Jesus, I stop everything out of love and respect. To me, Jesus comes before practices and if he ever interrupted my practices there would be a very good reason for it..

  This event (that I wrote about) caused me to re-read Yogani's "Spinal Breathing Pranayama" book and I did find a part in there about the Heart Space (as well as the expansion of the sushumna).

 It is very interesting to be able to recognize this space and actually see the top and bottom of the sushumna from it (if that is actually what is happening), how it opens at the ends and encircles the 'jelly fish' me, how the sushumna is transparent and how we are really just a spec of consciousness floating in a huge space.

 The other interesting thing is that a slight shift in perspective, which is changing from the external point of view to the internal (perception from inside the sushmuna, as though one were looking right down into it) seems to be the key to producing this experience. I wonder if I am shifting into Heart perception/consciousness mode..

  I was better at doing that yesterday than today, but somewhat succeeded today also for short time periods. I think this is due to having done 17 minutes of slow breathing (1919) a few hours before the meditation session while seated at my desk yesterday, but I did not do that today because I am having some overload symptoms (nothing too serious)..

 If anyone else has experienced this phenomenon of viewing from inside the sushumna, I'd love to hear about it.


TI

[CarsonZi]

quote:Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice

Well thanks for trying..

You're welcome.  Merry Christmas.

Love,

[Christi]

Hi TI,

It sounds like you entered the Brahma nadi. The Brahma nadi is a nadi which runs up the spine inside the shushumna nadi. At around the pineal gland in the centre of the head the Brahma nadi leaves the shushumna nadi and goes out of the top of the head (crown). The shushumna nadi carries on forward through the third eye.

So when practicing spinal breathing pranayama, if this is happening, then you would notice that you are off the procedure and go back to tracing the shushumna nadi between the muladhara chakra and the ajna chakra (or out beyond the ajna towards the realms of infinite white light, if you are being drawn there naturally).

Both the root chakra and the ajna chakra are energy dynamics so the fact that there is nothing solid which is perceivable at either end is not a problem to the procedure.

Hope this helps,

Christi

[Tibetan_Ice]

Hi Christi and Merry Christmas Everyone

quote:Originally posted by Christi

Hi TI,

It sounds like you entered the Brahma nadi. The Brahma nadi is a nadi which runs up the spine inside the shushumna nadi. At around the pineal gland in the centre of the head the Brahma nadi leaves the shushumna nadi and goes out of the top of the head (crown). The shushumna nadi carries on forward through the third eye.

So when practicing spinal breathing pranayama, if this is happening, then you would notice that you are off the procedure and go back to tracing the shushumna nadi between the muladhara chakra and the ajna chakra (or out beyond the ajna towards the realms of infinite white light, if you are being drawn there naturally).

Both the root chakra and the ajna chakra are energy dynamics so the fact that there is nothing solid which is perceivable at either end is not a problem to the procedure.

Hope this helps,

Christi

 That's funny. I see you've edited your response.
 I just spent an hour researching the amitra nadi and the one description I could find that resembles it is Ramana's pillar of light:
link:

quote:
From the biography of Sri Matha:

Sri Matha was a Bhakta-Jnani, an incarnation who, according to the biography, Ramana considered a born Jnani and to whom he was just the Causal (Karana) Guru. Her enlightenment experience confirms Ramana's description and includes realization of the One, Universal, Transcendental Self as Heart-Light and Amrita Nadi as a "pillar of light", rising up to the sahasrara and above, as described by Ramana.

Perhaps there is a difference in terminology because what I see does resemble a pillar of translucent light which is open on each end..

So now I am researching the Brahma nadi, it seems to be the central channel that kundalini rises up into..
link: http://www.triyoga.com/Kali_Devi_Lakshmiji/documents/KRIYA_YOGA.pdf

quote:
The cakras are strung on this nadi. Located inside the trinity
nadis, is brahma-nadi, the one supreme nadi that is beyond the gunas’ triple
energy. It is without attributes and colorless, yet it represents all divine qualities
and light. From ajna cakra to sahasrara cakra, it is through this nadi that
kundalini flows into brahma-randhra, the meeting place of shakti (energy) and
shiva (pure consciousness).

You know, Christi, I've often wondered if the sushumna goes out through the third eye, or continues up through the sahasrara.. If you ever listen to Mark Griffin's "The Guru Radar" talk, he claims that the sushumna extends for another three feet above the head. (If you are interested here is the link: http://www.hardlight.org/store/guru-radar-p-792.html )

Yet, Edgar cayce says that the top of the sushumna is actually the third eye at the brow which he calls the "Seventh Center":
link: http://www.edgarcayce.org/ps2/seven_chakras_J_Van_Auken.html

quote:
Seventh Center ­ Pituitary Gland ­ Third-Eye Chakra
...
Cayce’s readings identify this center as the third eye, on the forehead. Almost all yoga books identify the third eye as the sixth chakra and the crown as the seventh. When Cayce was asked about this during a reading, his reply was that he did not care what others were saying, but he was giving the correct arrangement.

And then, from Gurudeva:
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-41.html

quote:
Friday
LESSON 285
Divine Sight And Illumination

The sixth force center is ajna, or the third eye. Ajna chakra means "command center" and grants direct experience of the Divine, not through any knowledge passed on by others, which would be like the knowledge found in books. Magnetized to the cavernous plexus and to the pineal gland and located between the brows, the ajna chakra governs the superconscious faculties of divine sight within man. Its color is lavender. Of its two "petals" or facets one is the ability to look down, all the way down, to the seven talas, or states of mind, below the muladhara and the other is the ability to perceive the higher, spiritual states of consciousness, all the way up to the seven chakras above the sahasrara. Thus, ajna looks into both worlds: the odic astral world, or Antarloka, and the actinic spiritual world, or Sivaloka. It, therefore, is the connecting link, allowing the jnani to relate the highest consciousness to the lowest, in a unified vision. This center opens fully to the conscious use of man after many experiences of nirvikalpa samadhi, Self Realization, resulting in total transformation, have been attained, although visionary insights and, particularly, inner light experiences are possible earlier.

And in this last quote, he says something that implies that there are seven chakras above the sahasrara! (I've bolded it..) So there must be a 'sushumna' type construction that extends far above the head. I suppose in the final analysis some people might say that it really doesn't matter, but what if it does matter? Probably, from my perspective at this point in time, it doesn't matter. It is fun knowing that I'm unlocking some of the mysteries of yoga..

And yes, I will continue on with Spinal Breathing, only now I have two methods of moving awareness up and down the spine/sushumna. One is from the outside looking in and the other is from the inside looking out..

Thanks again for your reply.


TI

[manigma]

Quote:
Adi Da, in his autobiography, revealed an extraordinary and transformative yogic experience... after this experience he felt as if he had been liberated from identification with the chakra system and its polarization of ascending and descending energies. He claims to have seen that the chakra system from the point of view of the Heart was an arbitrary and unnecessary structure for the play of energy.

"The Shakti, which previously had appeared as a polarized energy that moved up and down through the various chakras or centers producing various effects, now was released from the chakra form. There was no more polarized force. Indeed, there was no form whatsoever, no up or down, no chakras. The chakra system had been revealed as unnecessary, an arbitrary rule or setting for the play of energy. The form beneath all of the bodies, gross or subtle, had revealed itself to be as unnecessary and conditional as the bodies themselves...Consciousness had shown its radical freedom and priority in terms of the chakra form. It had shown itself to be senior to that whole structure, dissociated from every kind of separate energy or shakti. There was simply consciousness itself, prior to all forms, all dilemmas, every kind of seeking and necessity."

http://www.mountainrunnerdoc.com/kundalini.html (Had this link from your earlier post )

Keeping yer pipes clean eh

[Christi]

Hi TI,

 

quote: That's funny. I see you've edited your response.
I just spent an hour researching the amitra nadi and the one description I could find that resembles it is Ramana's pillar of light:
link:

quote:
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From the biography of Sri Matha:

Sri Matha was a Bhakta-Jnani, an incarnation who, according to the biography, Ramana considered a born Jnani and to whom he was just the Causal (Karana) Guru. Her enlightenment experience confirms Ramana's description and includes realization of the One, Universal, Transcendental Self as Heart-Light and Amrita Nadi as a "pillar of light", rising up to the sahasrara and above, as described by Ramana.

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I'm sure you didn't waste an hour.

At first I thought it sounded like the amrita nadi, but after some reflection I thought it sounded more like the Brahman nadi, so I edited my reply accordingly. Both the Brahman nadi and the amrita nadi rise up through the sahasrara. One difference between them is that the root of the Brahman nadi is in the muladhara, like the shushumna, whereas the root of the amrita nadi is at the sacred heart, which is to the right of the heart chakra.

 

quote:You know, Christi, I've often wondered if the sushumna goes out through the third eye, or continues up through the sahasrara..

That depends on what you call the shushumna nadi. Some people would say that it is both. In the main lessons Yogani describes the shushumna as rising up to the centre of the head, and then going forward through the ajna chakra. Then he goes on to say that the shushumna nadi has a fork in it, with one branch of the fork going up through the crown chakra and up into the air above the head.

So if we are using simplified terminology (as Yogani does in the main lessons), then we can talk about the shushumna as going out in both directions (ajna and crown).

If we are using slightly more complex terminology (as some people do) then we would say that the shushumna goes through the ajna, and it is the Brahman nadi rising up within the shushumna which goes out through the crown.

With root to brow spinal breathing pranayama, it doesn't make a lot of difference what we call the shushumna, as the practice is to trace the silver thread between the root chakra and the brow chakra following the breath.

The shushumna and the ajna chakra are the gateway to Christ consciousness. The crown chakra and the Brahman nadi are the gateway to Cosmic consciousness and nirvikalpa samadhi. The amrita nadi is the gateway to the sacred heart, and the culmination of our Yoga.

Christi

[Christi]

quote:Originally posted by manigma

Quote:
Adi Da, in his autobiography, revealed an extraordinary and transformative yogic experience... after this experience he felt as if he had been liberated from identification with the chakra system and its polarization of ascending and descending energies. He claims to have seen that the chakra system from the point of view of the Heart was an arbitrary and unnecessary structure for the play of energy.

"The Shakti, which previously had appeared as a polarized energy that moved up and down through the various chakras or centers producing various effects, now was released from the chakra form. There was no more polarized force. Indeed, there was no form whatsoever, no up or down, no chakras. The chakra system had been revealed as unnecessary, an arbitrary rule or setting for the play of energy. The form beneath all of the bodies, gross or subtle, had revealed itself to be as unnecessary and conditional as the bodies themselves...Consciousness had shown its radical freedom and priority in terms of the chakra form. It had shown itself to be senior to that whole structure, dissociated from every kind of separate energy or shakti. There was simply consciousness itself, prior to all forms, all dilemmas, every kind of seeking and necessity."

http://www.mountainrunnerdoc.com/kundalini.html (Had this link from your earlier post )

Keeping yer pipes clean eh

Hi Manigma,

Yogani gives a description of this process of entering the sacred heart in the main lessons:

 "So the heart is opening all the time, along with the rest of the nervous system. Then ecstatic conductivity begins to rise and we are melting in love inside in the face of so much ecstasy and rising inner sensuality – more heart opening. Finally, when shiva (silence) and shakti (ecstasy) are merging and we finally go directly to the crown, then it all pours down and the heart goes all the way into overflowing pure divine love. Maybe that last step is what is meant by "the heart is last to open." But the truth is, yoga begins with the heart, the heart is opening every step of the way, and it ends with the heart, as we finally become an expression of divine love on earth."

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/201.html

In AYP of course, the chakra system is not considered to be an arbitrary and unnecessary system underlying the various bodies. It is seen as our gateway to the divine. It may be true that ultimately it is transcended, but without it, even Adi Da would not have entered the experience of the sacred heart.

Christi

[Steve]

TI,

You may enjoy reading 'The Building of the Antakarana and Rainbow Bridge' by Joshua David Stone which provides information and similar perspective as theosophy and the Alice Baily writings on the sushumna, antakarana and sutratma, their building and relationships.

http://www.lilyandbeyond.org-a.googlepages.com/JDStone.pdf

Steve

[Tibetan_Ice]

Hi Christi

quote:Originally posted by Christi
I'm sure you didn't waste an hour.

OH NO! I certainly appreciate it! I wasn't even aware that there was an amrita nadi but the thing that made me wonder was that the amrita nadi is supposed to curve in an 'S' type of shape and what I can see now is absolutely straight up and down.

quote:

At first I thought it sounded like the amrita nadi, but after some reflection I thought it sounded more like the Brahman nadi, so I edited my reply accordingly. Both the Brahman nadi and the amrita nadi rise up through the sahasrara. One difference between them is that the root of the Brahman nadi is in the muladhara, like the shushumna, whereas the root of the amrita nadi is at the sacred heart, which is to the right of the heart chakra.

Thank you for reaffirming that. Isn't the amrita channel the one that is viewed as the nectar of the Gods, that which grants immortality and is like the river of life? Isn't it amazing how the heart seems to be the center of everything? In this new book that I have from Richard Bartlett, called "The Physics of Miracles" he says that the most important thing, the thing that is key to producing all the miracles is the dropping down into the heart space to gain access to the Matrix.  

quote:
With root to brow spinal breathing pranayama, it doesn't make a lot of difference what we call the shushumna, as the practice is to trace the silver thread between the root chakra and the brow chakra following the breath.

There is no more silver thread to trace. Just this hollow tube of light that is about 1 foot wide now so I send my attention up and down that. It is very funny, but reality or planes of consciousness seem to be in the slices of visions in between the two holes at the top and the bottom, where the chakras should be.  

quote:

The shushumna and the ajna chakra are the gateway to Christ consciousness.

Christi

Sometimes I wonder if Christ Consciousness is to be taken literally.

I just have to say! Jesus visited me on Christmas eve! He was dressed all in his red robes and he was looking quite majestic and powerful, in exquisite detail. He stayed for quite a while (over 10 minutes). He appeared to me before my afternoon meditation and it took me by surprise. I didn't know what to say... so I didn't say anything except "I love you". Then I had the distinct impression that he was granting me another step up the golden ladder as a Christmas gift but that I wouldn't understand or realize it for a while, for maybe three weeks.. Just having him visit me unannounced in full dress and splendour was gift enough! What a wonderful Christmas!

My meditations have taken a real twist. They are so deep now that it is like entering a different plane. It feels like I'm in a whole different universe, one that is silent and very far away from this reality. At one point, during yesterday's afternoon meditation, my awareness came back to the body for a few seconds and I noticed that I was no longer breathing and when I noticed that, I really didn't care. It was as though the cartoon world where those kind of things matter had finally left me. It is kind of hard to explain. It's kind of like knowing that this reality is a noisy dream and that I now have a way out of it.

What I am doing for my meditation is saying "AYAM", treating it with the meaning and intent like it is the name of God and then holding it in my awareness as a visual word next to the clump of multi-colored light that seems to contain all realities inside it, inside the cave in the center of my head, or more towards the top.  I hold this vision in my awareness like you are holding a thought in mind, like you can taste it and examine it. When it finally dissolves, or a strong thought overpowers me, I repeat the mantra and do that over again. Then, I'm gone..

quote:
The crown chakra and the Brahman nadi are the gateway to Cosmic consciousness and nirvikalpa samadhi. The amrita nadi is the gateway to the sacred heart, and the culmination of our Yoga.

This is interesting. You know, up until a few days ago, I had always read that the heart was the final resting place of kundalini. (Ramana, Yogani..) However, Gurudeva does write that you have a choice of where kundalini, once taken above the crown, will come back to reside.
He says:
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-49.html

quote:
Saturday
LESSON 342
To Stay Enlightened

A sannyasin of attainment has had many, many lifetimes of accumulating this power of kundalini to break that seal at the door of Brahman. Here is a key factor. Once it is broken, the seal never mends. Once it is gone, it's gone. Then the kundalini will come back -- and this gives you a choice between upadeshi and nirvani -- and coil in the svadhishthana, manipura, anahata, wherever it finds a receptive chakra, where consciousness has been developed, wherever it is warm. A great intellect or a siddha who finds the Self might return to the center of cognition; another might return to the manipura chakra. The ultimate is to have the kundalini coiled in the sahasrara.

I personally didn't manage that until 1968 or '69 when I had a series of powerful experiences of kundalini in the sahasrara. It took twenty years of constant daily practice of tough sadhanas and tapas. I was told early on that much of the beginning training was had in a previous life and that is why, with the realization in this life, I would be able to sustain all that has manifested around me and within me as the years passed by. Results of sadhanas came to me with a lot of concentrated effort, to be sure, but it was not difficult, and that is what makes me think that previous results were being rekindled.

 
This is the only other time I have found an elaboration on the 'final resting place of kundalini'.  "Where ever it is warm"... I guess if I had a choice between forty-below (like it was here a few weeks ago) and the bahamas I'd choose the bahamas too!

I guess that is why Gurudeva lived in Kauai.   Is that why he looks so happy? (He is on the left, with the long white beard.. a couple of happy monks, eh? )

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/


TI  

[Tibetan_Ice]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

TI,

You may enjoy reading 'The Building of the Antakarana and Rainbow Bridge' by Joshua David Stone which provides information and similar perspective as theosophy and the Alice Baily writings on the sushumna, antakarana and sutratma, their building and relationships.

http://www.lilyandbeyond.org-a.googlepages.com/JDStone.pdf

Steve

Hey Steve
 Thanks for that link.
 It was interesting to read this:

quote:
The Central Canal
The central canal is a term that refers to the column of energy that extends from the base of the
spine to the top of the head. It has sometimes been referred to as the chakra column, or sushumna.
It is a part of the sutratma, silver cord, and life thread which are all different names for the same
cord.
One of the very important practices of the spiritual path is to widen your central canal and clear it
of all psychic debris. Ideally the central canal can be widened into a column of light that is the size
of the circumference of your head. Most people's central canal is a very small tube, and is very
clogged like a bathroom pipe that is not working effectively.

You know, Richard Bartlett talks about how to build psychic abilities by first imagining them, working with them and building them until finally the real thing manifests too. This is in the "The Physics of Miracles" book. I had no idea that you could build these things, I always thought that they existed in reality and one just had to tap into them. It certainly is a new perspective and it could be valid and very helpful for someone who wished to develop abilities.

 The other point of view is that we are a conglomerate of unity consciousness and we have created these thought forms and as such, anybody can tie into them and then use them. Perhaps by reading about other people's experiencing and 'believing' them, that is precisely what we are doing..

Personally, I like the aspect of discovering new and exciting things as if they exist in reality and have existed without unity consciousness creating them as group thought forms. However, the understanding of quantum physics, thought forms and reality is beyond my understanding at this time.

Thanks for the insight.


TI

[Christi]

Hi TI,

 

quote:OH NO! I certainly appreciate it! I wasn't even aware that there was an amrita nadi but the thing that made me wonder was that the amrita nadi is supposed to curve in an 'S' type of shape and what I can see now is absolutely straight up and down.

I have never noticed the amrita nadi having an "s" shaped curve, but then, I have never seen it too clearly. But other aspects of your description would point to the Brahman nadi, including the rays of light curving outwards in different directions from the crown.

 

quote:There is no more silver thread to trace. Just this hollow tube of light that is about 1 foot wide now so I send my attention up and down that.

The silver thread is a hollow tube of light! How big it looks depends on whether you are on the inside, or the outside (as you have noticed), and on how expanded it has become, as Carson mentioned above.

 

quote:Sometimes I wonder if Christ Consciousness is to be taken literally.

That's beautiful that you were visited by Jesus. As I understand it though, Christ consciousness is when we attain the Christed state, as Jesus did. It is about bringing the light of heaven to earth and transforming the light of this world into the light of the higher worlds.

Yogani mentions it here:

"Enlightenment is not about running off to heaven and leaving an unpurified nervous system behind that we will have to come back to and finish later in another life. It is about doing the work of completely purifying the nervous system. Then we have it all, become it all, heaven, earth, the cosmos, LA, everything. Then we become an expression of heaven on earth, and can do much for others who are expressions of heaven also, just needing a good housecleaning to realize it. So, it is not about going off into the star. It is about bringing the star in here, into the earth plane. That we do by purifying and opening the nervous system."

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/92.html

 

quote:This is interesting. You know, up until a few days ago, I had always read that the heart was the final resting place of kundalini. (Ramana, Yogani..) However, Gurudeva does write that you have a choice of where kundalini, once taken above the crown, will come back to reside.

I think Gurudeva is talking about an earlier stage of the process of kundalini here. It can happen that kundalini rises to pierce the crown chakra, and then returns to a lower chakra. From there, with continued spiritual practice it will rise again through the chakras until it resides at the crown chakra. This is often held to be the final resting place of kundalini and the highest goal in Yoga. The melting into the heart is, I believe, a stage beyond that.

Christi

[cosmic]

quote:Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice

Is that why he looks so happy? (He is on the left, with the long white beard.. a couple of happy monks, eh? )

Hi TI,

I can't help but smile every time I see that picture  

BTW, I want to thank you for all the Gurudeva quotes you've been posting lately. His writings resonate with me, so I've been following the daily lessons for a few weeks. That website has a great collection of writings.

Thanks!

With Love
cosmic

[Tibetan_Ice]

quote:Originally posted by manigma

Quote:
Adi Da, in his autobiography, revealed an extraordinary and transformative yogic experience... after this experience he felt as if he had been liberated from identification with the chakra system and its polarization of ascending and descending energies. He claims to have seen that the chakra system from the point of view of the Heart was an arbitrary and unnecessary structure for the play of energy.

"The Shakti, which previously had appeared as a polarized energy that moved up and down through the various chakras or centers producing various effects, now was released from the chakra form. There was no more polarized force. Indeed, there was no form whatsoever, no up or down, no chakras. The chakra system had been revealed as unnecessary, an arbitrary rule or setting for the play of energy. The form beneath all of the bodies, gross or subtle, had revealed itself to be as unnecessary and conditional as the bodies themselves...Consciousness had shown its radical freedom and priority in terms of the chakra form. It had shown itself to be senior to that whole structure, dissociated from every kind of separate energy or shakti. There was simply consciousness itself, prior to all forms, all dilemmas, every kind of seeking and necessity."

http://www.mountainrunnerdoc.com/kundalini.html (Had this link from your earlier post )

Keeping yer pipes clean eh

Hi Manigma
  Thank you for posting this. That link is a good one, lots of information there.
 
 I think I can identify with what he says because when I am in the 'tunnel or tube' I notice a number of things now: For one, there is no more ecstatic conductivity or physical sensations of any kind. I can't even find the perineum unless I pull myself out and adopt the conventional point of view..

There doesn't seem to be any prana following my attention up and down anymore. There is no resistance in there, it kind of feels like you are in a vacuum of sorts surrounded by an even larger vacuum. It also feels like the body and all the coarser substances are gone. It is like floating in space in a jelly fish body of light or long magnetic tube with light shows on the inside between the ends. I also seem to stop or don't go any further than the ends where it opens up into space. Every time I get close to the ends, I feel this kind of rollercoaster sensation that might even be fear but I don't feel afraid. It is more like my jelly fish has it's own gravity and it keeps "me" in.  Actually, I haven't tried catapulting myself out in space from there. Hmmm. Might be something to try..

Thanks again for your input.

TI