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CarsonZi

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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2009, 02:58:43 AM »
Good!!! Now we are getting somewhere.....Even YOU are now stating that there is no "THE Truth".  Can you see the contradiction you are making now?

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alwayson

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2009, 03:03:03 AM »
I think you are nutz.

I have said this since the last page.  All buddhists, as well, negate the claim there is a reality.  The reality is that there is no reality.  This is pure Buddhist Madhyamaka.  This is part of the view.
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CarsonZi

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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2009, 03:06:16 AM »
Haha.  Your perogative.  I could say the same, but I don't really think it.  You aren't nuts.  I don't think you are very centered in inner silence, but that is just my opinion.  Just like it is your opinion that I am nuts.[;)]  You might be right, but you might be wrong.  Same with the idea of the rainbow body.  You could be right, you could be wrong.  There is really no point in debating it until you actually have some personal experience with it though.  Same here.  I'm done.

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alwayson

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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2009, 03:13:58 AM »
I'll say one last thing.  I think we are using different definitions of Truth.
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CarsonZi

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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2009, 03:21:23 AM »
Yes I agree.  I do not define Truth as "how Robert Bruce defines Truth"...I think for myself[:o)]

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alwayson

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2009, 03:22:29 AM »
But that is the Robert Bruce definition of Truth...doing it yourself, creating your own spiritual reality
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CarsonZi

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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2009, 03:26:09 AM »
Then I guess we AREN'T using different definitions of Truth then are we?

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divinefurball

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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2009, 04:46:13 AM »
Hi alwayson. Do you think that it is possible that there have been/are, Buddhists who don't know that they are Buddhists, that have obtained to the rainbow body. Respectfully, divinefurball
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alwayson

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2009, 07:01:31 AM »
No, I have never heard of a non-buddhist obtaining rainbow body, except Bon people.  But Bon has exact same buddhist view, intention/aspiration, dedication of merit etc.  And it is these things that make the difference

Do I think it is possible for a non-buddhist/bon person to obtain rainbow body?

Also no.  If you understand how the rainbow body process works, you know you need dedicate merit, have the proper intention to benefit all sentient beings etc.  


I think its important to understand that in Indian tantra, whether buddhist or hindu, it is said that you can use tantra (yes even the AYP stuff taught here) for any purpose including evil, material wealth etc!!  

The intention is part of what lets you obtain rainbow body or whatever lower spiritual goal you have.  The other part is view.  I tried to explain this before.
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CarsonZi

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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2009, 07:09:38 AM »
And you think only Buddhists can have right intention or that only Buddhists have the right view/perspective[V][?]  Doesn't seem to be very discerning that's for sure.

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alwayson

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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2009, 07:14:09 AM »
Its not even about the label of buddhism.  Its about intention and view.  Bon people also achieve rainbow body because they have the same intention and view.  

Since these people want to benefit infinite sentient beings, the aspiration becomes infinite, and thus the Buddha's body also becomes infinite (permanent).
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CarsonZi

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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2009, 07:16:18 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by alwayson

Its not even about the label of buddhism.


quote:
Originally posted by alwayson

No, I have never heard of a non-buddhist obtaining rainbow body


quote:
Originally posted by alwayson

Do I think it is possible for a non-buddhist/bon person to obtain rainbow body?

Also no.

[?]Contradiction no[?]

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alwayson

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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2009, 07:17:45 AM »
I think you and I have very different ideas of what a buddhist is actually.  You are too caught up in the label.  I look underneath the hood so to speak.  Its the same problem you have had since page 2.

A buddhist for me is anyone with proper view and intention.  Its a functional thing for me.
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CarsonZi

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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2009, 07:37:06 AM »
Like I said before, you call it Buddhism, I call it Yoga, and they meet at the end.  These are all different labels of the same thing.  You have a hate-on for anything you deem "Yoga" or "Hinduism" and put on a pedestal anything that you consider "Buddhism".  And what that is differs minute to minute with you it seems.

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alwayson

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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2009, 09:21:16 AM »
Buddhism is different because of the view of emptiness (which I tried to explain before with the snake analogy), dedication of merit, and the intention to become perfectly awakened for the benefit of inifinite sentient beings.

If you have these three things you are eligible to obtain rainbow body, whether you call yourself buddhist or bon or yogi.  

Or instead you can use yoga for inferior spiritual goals such as becoming a demigod (hinduism), becoming wealthy etc. It is all about intent, creating your own spiritual reality.
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