1047 From: "Melissa" <mm7810@gmail.com>
Date: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:58pm
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Hello everybody -
I am wondering about something. I know Yogani talks about pacing
oneself quite a bit in his lessons. I have just recently restarted
practicing yoga following the AYP lessons. They really are quite
powerful, to put it mildly. The thing which I cannot quite understand
is how in the past, yogis would practice for hours on end, each and
every day. For me, and most others [assumption here], going much over
a total of 30-40 minutes total for 2-3 times a day begins to cause
alot of unpleasant symptoms. What gives? Are we just carrying around
a lot more baggage that needs cleaning out, or has the "whole" shifted
it's energies higher so that just a little practice carries a lot more
bang than it used to? Does anyone understand what I am talking about
here? Comments are appreciated.
Melissa
1048 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Time Line / Pacing obsidian9999
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Hello Melissa,
I understand what you are saying.
> The thing which I cannot quite understand
> is how in the past, yogis would practice for hours on end, each and
> every day.
There are a number of things that make this easier and others that
make it hard. One thing to keep in mind is that such yogis who do
such extended practice usually don't have demanding
responsibilities, such as day job, children etc. They are usually
retired, or in an ashram, or have leisure for other reasons.
The other is that after a long time at it, a lot of the 'impurities'
are already released and therefore history, making it possible to do
the extended practice.
Are we just carrying around
> a lot more baggage that needs cleaning out, or has the "whole"
shifted
> it's energies higher so that just a little practice carries a lot
more
> bang than it used to?
All these things are possible too, I just don't know. Note that
none of these effects are necessarily mutually exclusive --- they
could *all* be going on.
Best regards,
-D
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Melissa" <mm7810@g...> wrote:
> Hello everybody -
>
> I am wondering about something. I know Yogani talks about pacing
> oneself quite a bit in his lessons. I have just recently restarted
> practicing yoga following the AYP lessons. They really are quite
> powerful, to put it mildly. The thing which I cannot quite
understand
> is how in the past, yogis would practice for hours on end, each and
> every day. For me, and most others [assumption here], going much
over
> a total of 30-40 minutes total for 2-3 times a day begins to cause
> alot of unpleasant symptoms. What gives? Are we just carrying
around
> a lot more baggage that needs cleaning out, or has the "whole"
shifted
> it's energies higher so that just a little practice carries a lot
more
> bang than it used to? Does anyone understand what I am talking
about
> here? Comments are appreciated.
>
> Melissa
1050 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:59pm
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good answer from david. I'll just add on....you'll eventually reach a point where you'll want
to do nothing BUT this stuff, because an exraordinary amount of ecstasy is available to you
(with fewer and fewer side effects as the coarse blockages are worked through). And that,
let's face it, is a lot more attractive a prospect than waiting in line at the motor vehicle
bureau, etc. At that point, the discipline is about staying in the world and limiting your
practice rather than jumping down the rabbit hole.
Note that Yogani advocates a 2x/day practice. Not to be Mr. Stickler Doctrinaire, but my
feeling is that if you see enough value in his program to really dive in (and I certainly
understand those who find other paths/practices more suitable), it makes sense to trust
him on the details. I mean, if I'm learning to sky dive and they tell me to count to 10
before pulling the cord, I may or may not actually get on the plane, but if I do, I'm not
gonna count to 9 or 11, y'know?
J&K
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Melissa" <mm7810@g...> wrote:
> Hello everybody -
>
> I am wondering about something. I know Yogani talks about pacing
> oneself quite a bit in his lessons. I have just recently restarted
> practicing yoga following the AYP lessons. They really are quite
> powerful, to put it mildly. The thing which I cannot quite understand
> is how in the past, yogis would practice for hours on end, each and
> every day. For me, and most others [assumption here], going much over
> a total of 30-40 minutes total for 2-3 times a day begins to cause
> alot of unpleasant symptoms. What gives? Are we just carrying around
> a lot more baggage that needs cleaning out, or has the "whole" shifted
> it's energies higher so that just a little practice carries a lot more
> bang than it used to? Does anyone understand what I am talking about
> here? Comments are appreciated.
>
> Melissa
1062 From: "Melissa" <mm7810@gmail.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 0:51am
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Thanks for your comments Jim and Obsidian. Strangely, I found
myself somewhat "symptomatic" at first, and then it passes and I can
do more. My interpretation is that "stuff" has been resolved. I
have a clairvoyant friend who says this agrees with what she sees in
my energy system. Oh, and Jim . . . I AM at that point where I
don't want to do anything else! - lol
That is why I have to
make myself NOT do it 10 times a day, because intellectually I know
better and I don't want to fry myself!
Melissa
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
> good answer from david. I'll just add on....you'll eventually
reach a point where you'll want
> to do nothing BUT this stuff, because an exraordinary amount of
ecstasy is available to you
> (with fewer and fewer side effects as the coarse blockages are
worked through). And that,
> let's face it, is a lot more attractive a prospect than waiting in
line at the motor vehicle
> bureau, etc. At that point, the discipline is about staying in
the world and limiting your
> practice rather than jumping down the rabbit hole.
>
> Note that Yogani advocates a 2x/day practice. Not to be Mr.
Stickler Doctrinaire, but my
> feeling is that if you see enough value in his program to really
dive in (and I certainly
> understand those who find other paths/practices more suitable), it
makes sense to trust
> him on the details. I mean, if I'm learning to sky dive and they
tell me to count to 10
> before pulling the cord, I may or may not actually get on the
plane, but if I do, I'm not
> gonna count to 9 or 11, y'know?
>
> J&K
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Melissa" <mm7810@g...> wrote:
> > Hello everybody -
> >
> > I am wondering about something. I know Yogani talks about
pacing
> > oneself quite a bit in his lessons. I have just recently
restarted
> > practicing yoga following the AYP lessons. They really are
quite
> > powerful, to put it mildly. The thing which I cannot quite
understand
> > is how in the past, yogis would practice for hours on end, each
and
> > every day. For me, and most others [assumption here], going
much over
> > a total of 30-40 minutes total for 2-3 times a day begins to
cause
> > alot of unpleasant symptoms. What gives? Are we just carrying
around
> > a lot more baggage that needs cleaning out, or has the "whole"
shifted
> > it's energies higher so that just a little practice carries a
lot more
> > bang than it used to? Does anyone understand what I am talking
about
> > here? Comments are appreciated.
> >
> > Melissa
1075 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:49am
Subject: Re: Time Line / Pacing jim_and_his_...
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Melissa" <mm7810@g...> wrote:
> Thanks for your comments Jim and Obsidian. Strangely, I found
> myself somewhat "symptomatic" at first, and then it passes and I can
> do more. My interpretation is that "stuff" has been resolved. I
> have a clairvoyant friend who says this agrees with what she sees in
> my energy system. Oh, and Jim . . . I AM at that point where I
> don't want to do anything else! - lol
That is why I have to
> make myself NOT do it 10 times a day, because intellectually I know
> better and I don't want to fry myself!
It's not just frying (though that is an unpleasant prospect!). As we discussed way back in
some of the earlier discussion here, it's a bad idea to make AYP the central main thing
we're "into". The danger is that we will, in time, find other thing we're "into". I have a closet
full of things I used to be "into", and I bet you do, too!
Also, "the thing we're into" is the first to get abandoned when life gets hectic.
So rather than make AYP our feature presentation - and risk having a new movie swap in
at some point, or find we don't have time for movies at all for a while - we do a compact
20-30 minute practice twice a day, and hope that's sustainable in the long term.....even if
we get busy or absorbed in other things (as we surely will!). AYP is ideally like brushing
teeth; something that's a part of who we are and how we live.
If it becomes something sucking lots of time, it will become a much more volatile element.
And this is a very long-run practice!
1079 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:57am
Subject: Re: Time Line / Pacing obsidian9999
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Hello Melissa,
There's yet another very good reason why not to over-immerse yourself
in practice. If you do, there is a good chance you are being drawn
by the pleasure-pain principle, which means being pulled wherever
your strongest desires take you.
If you follow this impulse too far, your practice can then 'spoil'
you, in the sense of 'spoilt child'; you can end up continuously
doing what you most immediately desire, which is practice. If you
follow that too much, you can fall into all the negative results of
the overgrown pleasure-pain principle, which include laziness,
excessive self-focus, and self-concern. You can become a couch
potato of a kind; instead of slopping beer and dougnuts, you become
a celestial couch potato who slops prana.
If you do that, you may advance in *certain* ways. But you'll
become imbalanced in your development. You'll have some advanced
energies, but some real spiritual kindergarten stuff which really
holds you back. Your undone work will probably be much trickier,
and more painful to get through than it would have been if you had
taken the more balanced route.
The pleasure-pain principle is not transcended in bliss alone. It's
transcended in the muck of life. And in giving. The 'muscle' to
transcend it has to be exercised every day. In balance.
Blessings,
-D
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Melissa" <mm7810@g...> wrote:
> > Thanks for your comments Jim and Obsidian. Strangely, I found
> > myself somewhat "symptomatic" at first, and then it passes and I
can
> > do more. My interpretation is that "stuff" has been resolved. I
> > have a clairvoyant friend who says this agrees with what she sees
in
> > my energy system. Oh, and Jim . . . I AM at that point where I
> > don't want to do anything else! - lol
That is why I have to
> > make myself NOT do it 10 times a day, because intellectually I
know
> > better and I don't want to fry myself!
>
>
> It's not just frying (though that is an unpleasant prospect!). As
we discussed way back in
> some of the earlier discussion here, it's a bad idea to make AYP
the central main thing
> we're "into". The danger is that we will, in time, find other thing
we're "into". I have a closet
> full of things I used to be "into", and I bet you do, too!
>
> Also, "the thing we're into" is the first to get abandoned when
life gets hectic.
>
> So rather than make AYP our feature presentation - and risk having
a new movie swap in
> at some point, or find we don't have time for movies at all for a
while - we do a compact
> 20-30 minute practice twice a day, and hope that's sustainable in
the long term.....even if
> we get busy or absorbed in other things (as we surely will!). AYP
is ideally like brushing
> teeth; something that's a part of who we are and how we live.
>
> If it becomes something sucking lots of time, it will become a much
more volatile element.
> And this is a very long-run practice!
