roboto212
USA
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I assume its obvious
Mykal K
Germany
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Osho said that you are enightened when you can be aware of your body for 24 hours without interruption.
The question is, what is enlightement, and why does it matter?
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Hi Roboto,
You may find this lesson useful:
Lesson 35 - Enlightenment MilestonesIf you can tick the boxes in that lesson, then you are on your way.
Even if you can't tick them, but you are reading this, then you are on your way too.
Enjoy!
Christi
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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maybe enlightenment is when you are aware of every-body 24 7
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Christi
United Kingdom
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quote:
Originally posted by kumar ul islam
maybe enlightenment is when you are aware of every-body 24 7
Or of the Self in every-body 24 7?
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maheswari
Lebanon
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when you loose interest in knowing whether you are advancing or not in the path
when you are not seeking any spiritual progress ...and sometimes your practices are far less than more
when your life is so ordinary
then maybe you are advancing
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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yes the self in all and all in the self thankyou
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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quote:
Originally posted by maheswari
when you loose interest in knowing whether you are advancing or not in the path
when you are not seeking any spiritual progress ...and sometimes your practices are far less than more
when your life is so ordinary
then maybe you are advancing
Then I'm almost there
Sey
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parvati9
USA
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Well, my path is based on not knowing; it is not obvious at all. How can you be absolutely certain that you are NOT enlightened? <-That is the elephant in the room we tend to overlook.
Perhaps we are quite afraid to admit that there is a remote possibility we are already enlightened, have always been enlightened. That a great deal of our apparent suffering is a byproduct of imaginary certainties, judgments, evaluations and conclusions formed in the past. Those certainties may comprise the boundaries of our comfort zone as well as the walls of our mental prison.
Keep the door open. For all you know, you could be enlightened because - really - you don't know ... do you? ... Drop certainty. Pull up all anchors into the past... past judgments and assumptions. Realize that you honestly don't know. You don't know whether or not you are enlightened. You really don't. That is the truth.
How would one know? The measurement, evaluation, judgment - this is time anchored mind content. Those mental fabrications lock one into the past like an iron chain. So just drop the certainty. The chains making one think one is not free are all in the imagination. "Certainty" locks one into illusion by obstructing present moment awareness. Be free of certainty. That is all. To drop certainty is to keep the door open to the possibility of enlightenment. Not knowing is freedom. At least it is for me.
love
parvati
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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certainty has its truths so to be free from certainty maybe denies a movement towards some forms of enlightenment .eg i know i live on globe not a flat surface this is a known known therefore my expansion into to this creates more expansion and so on ,truth for me has many levels sometimes they are prisons at other times keys to unlock the wonder i am moving into or outwardly moving towards , we are possible all enlightened in our time space and level we are on ,as a fragment of the whole to see the whole is impossible unless like arjuna we are given divine eyes, maybe for brief moments we engage and through yoga a form of union is achieved when knowing becomes more than being certain, but along the path to sure of certain things can help us realize all is possible and everything can exist somewhere and at some point in the infinity of time .
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Will Power
Spain
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quote:
Originally posted by maheswari
when you loose interest in knowing whether you are advancing or not in the path
when you are not seeking any spiritual progress ...and sometimes your practices are far less than more
when your life is so ordinary
then maybe you are advancing
I think 99% of the world matches that description because they don't practice or have not heard of enlightened, without being enlightened
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Bodhi Tree
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quote:
Originally posted by Christi
Or of the Self in every-body 24 7?
That.
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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I am currently being influenced by Sri Ramakrishna, so:
"Lord - take both Thy Knowledge and Thy Ignorance and give me only love for Thee"
Sey
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eputkonen
USA
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Hi Roboto,
Do you still seek and/or suffer (have problems, worry/anxiety, guilt, etc.)?
The Buddha said Enlightenment is the cessation of dukkha. Dukkha is often translated as suffering, but could also mean discontentment or dissatisfaction.
I happen to agree...that suffer ceases upon Enlightenment.
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Kentox
India
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On the path to enlightenment, there is less and less suffering as one progresses so one can take huge risks, get more involved with life.
I've had a taste of heightened awareness, it was wonderful. If possible I'd like that to happen for 24 hours. Perhaps much more clearer and better. Its not an achievement, It's a realization of what you have rather than a newfound ability.
Enlightenment is not a end goal in itself, It is perhaps the starting point. That we fools have taken to heaven. Once a man is aware, life truly begins.
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Herb
Canada
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One definition of enlightenment I like is to become suddenly aware of our true nature as what was always there but only experienced and thus realized now. This is also called awakening to who we really are, for the first time. For me this experience was filled with an overwhelmning bliss that caused tears of pure joy, graditude, reverance, humbleness and repentance for about two weeks. The overwhelmning bliss associated with true enlightenment is often an indication that contact was made with pure Reality, the source of who you are and, indeed, what you are, as well as the source, substance and reclaimer of the entire exanding universe.
And like Kentox says, this experience only marks the beginning of genuine spitituality, as the Bible says, "The gate to (this) life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it." Most people don't know it's even there, within and enveloping each one of us and expanding out to all of existence. Thank God for Yoga and for all real paths to unity with ultimate Reality. Enlightenment isn't the goal, Liberation is. But enlightenment is the begining. It is the entrance onto the "narrow path" that leads, ever so gently and subtlety, to Liberation or what I call unbroken unitive consciousness or oneness with Reality/God.
"When we have had enough of the pleasures and pains, the ups and downs, of the ordinary existence, we turn toward our final expansion and open to divine reality, which underlies and pervades all that is. Then we turn within, surrender everything, and reach the quiescent and transcendent ground of our being."
I am no where near the goal, if there is any end on this journey, all I hope is that I'm on the right path, haha.
Edited by - Herb on Sep 30 2017 9:12:26 PM
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jusmail
India
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"If you love the sacred and despise the ordinary, you are still bobbing in the ocean of delusion."
-Linji
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lateralus
USA
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Ordinary is beautiful. Who would've ever thought that
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Herb
Canada
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Jusmail, I agree with you whole heartedly. I used the above quote by the Yogi, Christopher Wallis, to illustrate why someone might initially begin a spiritual quest, rather than to illustrate a Yogi's view of ordinary existence. I used it to illustrate why someone might begin to search for the true meaning of life, a search that might lead to enlightenment.
I see your point clearly though, the realized would see Reality in the ordinary as much as in the sacred. You have raised a good point
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Herb
Canada
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Here is another quote by the same author above(guess who's book I'm reading right now?) that gives one of the best discriptions of an "awakening" I've ever read.
"When we glipse, however briefly, the magnificence of our true nature, we begin to inherit our birthright. The graditude that wells up in responce to the inexpressible sweetness of this experience of awakening is such that we can say nothing but 'I am so blessed!"
C. Wallis
I could not express the experience in words at all, but for the first two weeks afterwards, I felt those four words through many tears. If you are pursuing enlightenment wholeheartedly, I believe you already have the grace of God working on you and drawing you to himself.
Edited by - Herb on Oct 07 2017 01:10:05 AM
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Chard
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Perhaps when u maintain your sense of humor throughout all situations!
Frankly, I have no idea when u know u are enlightened- I'm still on the bus heading there! It's a word that seems quite loaded and I'm sure there's a simple definition out there but I just don't know it. It's always a good question though! C
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jusmail
India
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Enlightenment is the releasing of attachment to form.
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Radharani
USA
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quote:
Originally posted by Will Power
quote:
Originally posted by maheswari
when you loose interest in knowing whether you are advancing or not in the path
when you are not seeking any spiritual progress ...and sometimes your practices are far less than more
when your life is so ordinary
then maybe you are advancing
I think 99% of the world matches that description because they don't practice or have not heard of enlightened, without being enlightened
I think Maheswari's comment presupposes that you are a practitioner already on the path.
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smileforme
Kenya
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OM Shanti, Enlightenment is not the business of business. It is overrated for business purposes. People read too many books and start talking about it like some kind of wizard guru. You will know when you get there why furstrate yourself with unnecessary questions. It is like the mud of the mind. Think before you think. Check if it is worth thinking about. After all, you are trying to concur your mind. To me what's really important is the journey rather than enlightenment.
You are enlightened day by day as your progress continues. OM Shanti
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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quote:
Originally posted by smileforme
what's really important is the journey rather than enlightenment.
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nothingatall
Lithuania
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I had a real glimpse of what enlightenment is:
Its like asking a question how can I come back home when you are at home already. You are enlightened already but do not see it because of the ego mind.
And its very easy to know when you are enlightened.
1. You will experience satchitananda and it will be biggest experience you experienced and you will feel like you are it not like you are experiencing satchitananda but you became it and that there is nothing else. You are beyond time and space and you are it. This can't be missed.
2. After the experience your mind activities will cease to exist. You gonna have 0 thoughts, desires, needs, insecurities
3. You will not be able to find yourself anymore. Fake I will be changed to real SELF. And your mind will be changed to cosmic consciousness. There are many other things as well but you get the point
NoDogma
USA
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quote:
Originally posted by BlueRaincoat
quote:
Originally posted by smileforme
what's really important is the journey rather than enlightenment.
but after realizing your true self (and realizing that the old 'me' was just illusion), the journey has no meaning. There was nothing important about the journey nor is there any meaning to it. It was just there.
In the mean time, enjoy the journey :-)
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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quote:
Originally posted by NoDogma
but after realizing your true self (and realizing that the old 'me' was just illusion), the journey has no meaning.
There comes a point where we realise it is a journey from here to here. At the same time, it is the journey that brings us to realising our true self. So the journey is necessary. In the realm of meaning, the journey is as meaningful as anything can possibly be. Beyond meaning, this very conversation does no exist.
quote:
Originally posted by NoDogma
enjoy the journey :-)
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Blanche
USA
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quote:
Originally posted by BlueRaincoat
Beyond meaning, this very conversation does no exist.
