O.K. so I was wrong about Adyashanti staring at walls... but if he doesn’t, plenty of other Zen folks do. Actually I don’t see his “methodless method” thing as being that different than the wall staring thing.
It’s like the wall staring thing, without the wall... very Zen!
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Eitherway wrote:
I understand what he is trying to convey but question the wisdom of his choice of words. Most students would translate this as saying practices are not necessary after enlightenment. He should remember that most state (including he) that the path to enlightenment can be compromised of several awakenings and each can be easy to misconstrue as the final or abiding condition. This increases the possibility of students stopping prematurely and thus delaying or side tracking their progress.
Hi Eitherway,
I think you are right. I met a man only a few weeks ago from Spain. He told me that he had spent many years meditating, but now he had stopped completely. I asked him why he had stopped and he told me that there was no need to meditate when there was no one left to be meditated. My heart sank. I felt like he was really starting to get somewhere, but now he was stuck. There was nothing I could say. He thought the job was over, when I could see quite clearly that it was just beginning. He seemed to have reached the stage of dispassionate awareness (abiding in the witness self). He had practiced in the Zen tradition.
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Eitherway wrote:
True meditation having no direction, goals or method is bringing back J. Krishnamurti's pathless path pitch. I wonder how many people krishnamurti helped (again not judging his intentions but rather the wisdom of his method) and how many were left frustrated or apathetic to spiritual life.
That’s a hard one to answer... I mean, how can anyone know? We can only speculate. One thing we do know is that Krishnamurti said that humanity would not be ready to understand his teachings for another 50 years. I don’t remember the exact date that he said that, but it was probably about 49 years ago.
I know... I know, there’s nothing worse than someone saying: “I’m going to tell you the truth, but you won’t be able to understand it for another 50 years, so, sorry and all that. It’s just that you’re not ready yet!” What could be more annoying?
Anyway, he said it, and guess what?.. No one does seem to understand him, so maybe he was right!
But he got it all down in printed form, and video too (or someone did), so it will all be there when we are ready.
In the meantime, he has been one of the most inspirational people in my life, and he continues to be so. I would rank him among the greatest spiritual teachers who have ever lived. I wonder how many people he has also inspired to follow the spiritual path? I know what you are thinking... “but, he said all these spiritual practices are a load of nonsense?”... well, I don’t think he did. I don’t think he did at all, I think he was saying quite the opposite. I think he was criticizing the way people are doing spiritual practices, the blind following of tradition, faith and ritual, without awareness. He was saying: “listen, watch, notice, pay attention, and the whole mystery of life will unveil itself”. If someone actually did what he suggested, then their whole life would become a spiritual practice.
I am sure many have misunderstood him, but then, how many misunderstood Jesus?
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David wrote:
Yes, I'm probably being too harsh on Adyashanti. But I've been so appalled at what Krishnamurti did to people's ability to understand and effectively carry out spiritual practices, that anyone who even looks a little bit like Krishnamurti is going to set me off. Hey, Adyashanti's name also ends with 'ti', just like Krishnamurti!! Any beginnings of a trail of destruction must be rooted out!
Hi David,
In the interview he mentioned that he has got his wife and his mum on the lookout for any signs that he is straying from the true path of selfless service to humanity (my words, not his). I have to confess, I did think... WHAT? WHO? I mean, no disrespect to his wife and his mum, but wouldn’t someone slightly more impartial be like, a better choice?
Maybe you could do the job more credibly. You seem to be quite impartial, and you know all the signs to look out for, and pitfalls to avoid! And you seem quite passionate about the task, even before you’ve started.
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David wrote:
The real risk I see with it are along these lines: when he talks like that, that his 'True Meditation' has no method, it creates false dichotomies in the students' minds, between Adyashanti's methods/practices (styled as not being methods/practices) and other useful methods/practices. This is just an unfortunate and unnecessary obstacle to integration of approaches.
For once we are in total agreement.
Also, the use of the words “True meditation” makes it sound like all other meditation practices are “False”. Sounds like the sort of thing that could stray easily into sectarianism. Did he also say, “The only way to my Father is through me”, or was that someone else?
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Vil Wrote:
Later... the conversation resumed and I said, "Those were really fun times, we laughed all of the time, it seems almost like a lifetime ago, doesn't it? I guess I really lost who I am in a lot of ways"... And she looked at me and said, "Uncle (VIL), it's okay, maybe you're just in a funk".
And I said, very seriously, "Honey, a funk lasts a week. Fifteen years is clinical".
Hi Vil,
You know, I can relate to what you write. I used to laugh a lot when I was younger, I guess I took life on a very superficial level, and just messed around. That’s one of the things about being on a spiritual path... it kind of sobers you up. I started to realize things, like I was a slave to my mind, a prisoner as Abdul Baha puts it. And not only that, but we all are, and that’s quite a sobering realization. It’s the kind of thing that you can’t really ever get away from. Once you’ve seen it, it colours everything. It makes everything a bit more serious, and more urgent. I know you meant it jokingly, but I don’t think you are “clinical” at all.... more like, blessed. Waking up is a blessing, possibly the only real blessing there is.
Christi