A Buddhist with an awakend Kundalini

[david_obsidian]

TMS, I'm still asking the question. You said you like to mix things up. Do you mean, 'to mix things up' in the sense of to provoke a fight, or just merely to create confusion? Or both?

[themysticseeker]

quote:Originally posted by gumpi

You seem to have contradicted yourself TMS.  You used the words "Cosmic Mind" and "Brahman" and then say you find ideas about "God" silly.  What is the difference between "cosmic mind" and "God"?  

Also, psychic phenomena and mediumistic phenomena definitely prove the existence of a greater power.  You might not be interested in these things but it proves there are things you don't know.

Clarifying. What I believe in (higher powers) doesn't matter if all that matters (personal and world peace) is achieved simply (from selflessness). That's all.

Cosmic Mind, Buddha-Matrix, God, Brahman, Allah whatever...

Ahh...

TMS

[gumpi]

David, why do you think TMS wants to be a guru?  Furthermore, why do you have such a problem with gurus?  It comes up in nearly every post of yours that i remember reading!  Did you have a bad experience with a guru in the past?

Not knocking you David, just curious.

[themysticseeker]

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

TMS, I'm still asking the question. You said you like to mix things up. Do you mean, 'to mix things up' in the sense of to provoke a fight, or just merely to create confusion? Or both?

Pardon me, Officer. Yes. Indeed you are in charge. I didn't for one second mean you were not in total control. I meant "mix things up" in the sense of discuss things. So neither.

[david_obsidian]

I meant "mix things up" in the sense of discuss things. So neither.

I don't believe it. That is not the meaning of 'mix things up'.

You're struggling for dominance.

You won't get dominance here. People know too much. Why bang your head on a brick wall?

You still have a chance of gaining eminence, if you leave aside your struggle for dominance. Eminence is better.

Resist the Urge to Fight.  RUF.

[david_obsidian]

David, why do you think TMS wants to be a guru?

I think he wants to be a spiritual teacher. Just a feeling I get from a number of details.

Furthermore, why do you have such a problem with gurus? It comes up in nearly every post of yours that i remember reading! Did you have a bad experience with a guru in the past?

No,  I saw the foolery from the outset and kept away from the control and reach of spiritual posers, but I've seen other people get burned. I was blessed with experience that guided me.

It is not that I think that all gurus are bad. Some are good, some are truthful and reputable. It is that most of the well-known ones are in a very immature and dishonest relationship with their disciples.

It comes up in nearly every post of yours that i remember reading!

Why am I interested? Maybe as it was for Freud and the topic of sex, I think there is something that needs to be known about this topic. (This is not to say I am a luminary like Freud. Rather that there is a 'need to know', as there was then.)

In spiritual teaching, I strongly believe that the future belongs to the honest. The day of the Posers and Priestcrafters is approaching its twilight. Advances in technology will determine that. More about that later when I get a chance.

There's a recurring theme in my posts which is not all about gurus but more the need to be truthful.  I've been blessed more than others in an ability to see how, in certain ways, people are not truthful.  This makes me seem dark and cynical to some. But I just see the immaturity where others don't see it.  And I can help stop the immaturity from spreading and create a foundation for maturity.

[CarsonZi]

Hi David,

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

I've been blessed more than others in an ability to see how, in certain ways, people are not truthful.

Not disagreeing with anything you are saying, just pointing out that your above sentence seems a little on the egoic side to me.  Everything perceived by an individual is percieved through personal mental and emotional filters that may or may not distort the reality of a situation.  Everything is subjective so you cannot ever know for sure if someone is lying or not or to what degree.  Be careful.

Love,
Carson[^]

[Ananda]

hello TMS:

i just want to share my 2 cents on the matter and pardon me if i am a bit too honest.

1st concerning enlightenment and it's experience i thought we agreed that it has a lot of different names and descriptions but still it's the same and we covered that when we spoke about the two schools of suffism. (self realization=god realization=selflessness=fanak fi allah...)

let me just remind you of two sayings which are used a lot by suffis. (oh and before i forget, i think you should read some stuff about the mystic martyr al mansour al hallaj i've posted smthg about him in the forums will look it up for you later)

these are the sayings:

(a hadiss)from the prophet mouhamad: "he who knows himself, knows god."

and another saying from the quran: "where ever you go, there is the face of god."

this stuff above schools of suffism agree too in theory, but when in practice the suffi realizes that he is ... and here we fall into disagreements concerning the description of the same thingy which is experienced as well by all schools of suffism who a lot of them differ in their approach and some of them have yogic practices; one of them even gave the praised names of allah to chakras...

so this means that christy is right...

2nd i respect your knowledge and how far you've went to be where you are now and the pain you went through in your life... (especially the death of your loved ones, my heart and prayers are with you i can relate to that).

putting that aside you have to excuse me my brother, cz on the look of your posts i have to agree a lot with David you are trying to be the dominant part in the conversation plus there some weird stuff about shiva and the eye of fire and that kind of threat tone and the i know it all...

what about all that?!!

by the way we all get lost in misunderstandings, oh and another thing pure advaita out of my own experience and what i've seen happening with others shouldn't be taken as knowledge for granted.

i am this and that and neti neti.... cz if it is taken like that, then why should a pure advaitan bother himself of living between people why not live in a cave or even better yet go mahasamadhi...

kindest regards,

Ananda

p.s: i was speaking of pure advaita, not the kind like ramana maharshi.
plus i'm an advaitan myself, but like swami rama's type (advaita plus advances yoga practices)

[david_obsidian]

just pointing out that your above sentence seems a little on the egoic side to me

It could be true that there is 'ego' in it. But it could still be true, and the answer to Gumpi's question.

As an aside, I'm not making very big claims here either. There is nothing magical, nothing fantastic or extreme in this ability.  I think it's an ability to see the politican sometimes under the rhetoric.  It's not getting caught up in the roar of the crowd,  whether that roar is in anger or in joy.

you cannot ever know for sure if someone is lying or not or to what degree. Be careful.

By and large, true.  So I gotta be careful for sure!

[CarsonZi]

Hi David,

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

It could be true that there is 'ego' in it. But it could still be true, and the answer to Gumpi's question.

Not saying your statement is true OR that it is false...Just saying that it sounds a bit egoic to state that you can read people and their intentions because of some special ability you have.  You really never know if you are reading them right or not.

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

As an aside, I'm not making very big claims here either. There is nothing magical, nothing fantastic or extreme in this ability.  I think it's an ability to see the politican sometimes under the rhetoric.  It's not getting caught up in the roar of the crowd,  whether that roar is in anger or in joy.

I understand and I have often thought myself to have the same ability.  But you really never know if your intuition is correct or not.  Noone can truly know another.

Love,
Carson[^]

[david_obsidian]

CarsonZi, I hope you don't think I'm saying I can always tell when people are telling the truth, or when they are lying. I'm just saying that sometimes, I've had insight into it where others have missed it.  I'm not trying to build this up.

You know how some women say they can spot a 'player' while others can't?  Well,  that's sometimes true.  Not saying they can't spot every 'player' in the world, or that they won't be wrong sometimes. But some women are much better at this than others.

And some women can be much worse at this than others. ('He throws me down the stairs, but deep inside he cares'). The very same thing goes for men's ability to determine a female sexual manipulator -- some are good at it, some bad.  Some are blinded, some not.  And the same thing goes for ability to discern that someone is manipulating you through your spiritual needs -- the ability to see the self-serving manipulator under the apparent saint.

As Sade said:

A license to love, insurance to hold
Melts all your memories and change into gold
His eyes are like angels but his heart is cold

There are people like that who operate in the 'spiritual' as well as the sexual realm. And they may give you real spiritual teachings, just as their sexual counterparts give out real fur coats.

[CarsonZi]

I understand what you are trying to get at David, I just think it is impossible to truly know if one's intuition is right or not.  You may just be projecting that "so and so is a player" and really they aren't.  Maybe THEY are just projecting that they are a player and you would never know.  And maybe there is a reason for projecting that they are a player that you have no idea about.  And the same could go for any spiritual teacher as well.  You may see the way a guru interacts with his/her disciples as immature, and it may be, but it also may be that they are interacting that way for a specific reason that you know nothing of, and this interaction may have nothing or everything to do with a guru's personality/level of Self Realization or it could have nothing to do with it.  Noone can truly know the intentions of another.  I think it would be best to let go of EVERYTHING you think you "know" or "can know" and focus on what is actually able to be experienced.  Saying things like...

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

And I can help stop the immaturity from spreading and create a foundation for maturity.

is not realistic.  You really can't stop anyone from doing/saying/or believing anything.  Best to just let it go IMO.

Love,
Carson[^]

[david_obsidian]

You really can't stop anyone from doing/saying/or believing anything.

That's true in itself. But culture changes according to those involved in it. So I think it is realistic to think that one is participating in changing things, provided one understands it in the right way.

[CarsonZi]

quote:Originally posted by david_obsidian

culture changes according to those involved in it. So I think it is realistic to think that one is participating in changing things, provided one understands it in the right way.

How can one ever know that you are understanding something in the "right" way?  Hitler probably thought he was seeing things the "right" way, but was he really?

Love,
Carson[^]

P.S. Sorry if this seems arguementative, I'm really not trying to be like that.

[themysticseeker]

quote:Originally posted by Ananda

hello TMS:

i just want to share my 2 cents on the matter and pardon me if i am a bit too honest.

No worries. I want to add that I am merely pointing out things that may challenge all your assumptions. We are here to go beyond mind and into the heart. I don't care for dominance or eminence or precedence or fifty cents. RUF RUF RUF...

quote:1st concerning enlightenment and it's experience i thought we agreed that it has a lot of different names and descriptions but still it's the same and we covered that when we spoke about the two schools of suffism. (self realization=god realization=selflessness=fanak fi allah...)

let me just remind you of two sayings which are used a lot by suffis. (oh and before i forget, i think you should read some stuff about the mystic martyr al mansour al hallaj i've posted smthg about him in the forums will look it up for you later)

these are the sayings:

(a hadiss)from the prophet mouhamad: "he who knows himself, knows god."

and another saying from the quran: "where ever you go, there is the face of god."

this stuff above schools of suffism agree too in theory, but when in practice the suffi realizes that he is ... and here we fall into disagreements concerning the description of the same thingy which is experienced as well by all schools of suffism who a lot of them differ in their approach and some of them have yogic practices; one of them even gave the praised names of allah to chakras...

so this means that christy is right...

I don't follow this logic. A Taoist would not agree with any of this divinity stuff. The Tao is not a personality or God. Taoists do, however, incorporate selflessness into their path of enlightenment.

My world view is basic. Selflessness is the highest truth; love flows from selflessness. Because of selflessness we are supported by the Cosmos. Love and selflessness connect us at the heart. I see no distinction between you and what you are calling God. Nor do I see any distinction between what you are calling God and the Cosmos. We are the Cosmos. That is all.

I'm tired of the debate about advaita, non-dualism, ankle bitas, and tom-foolerism. The mystical power of Tao or Shunyata or whateva can be realized as a transcendental experience of altered state of consciousness, but more importantly we are all capable of treating each other selflessly, loving ourselves, and engaging the healing and miraculous power by faith alone. It is because of a clear direct continuation of becoming from the mysterious void to the Cosmos, Earth and Us that there is no separation between any of us and the ultimate power before us, here and now, immanently.

Call it God if you want. Call it Brahman. Then yes, Christi is right.

quote: 2nd i respect your knowledge and how far you've went to be where you are now and the pain you went through in your life... (especially the death of your loved ones, my heart and prayers are with you i can relate to that).

putting that aside you have to excuse me my brother, cz on the look of your posts i have to agree a lot with David you are trying to be the dominant part in the conversation plus there some weird stuff about shiva and the eye of fire and that kind of threat tone and the i know it all...

what about all that?!!

Jokes, man; jokes. Not to be taken seriously.

quote:by the way we all get lost in misunderstandings, oh and another thing pure advaita out of my own experience and what i've seen happening with others shouldn't be taken as knowledge for granted.

i am this and that and neti neti.... cz if it is taken like that, then why should a pure advaitan bother himself of living between people why not live in a cave or even better yet go mahasamadhi...

I'm in the camp of selflessness. I prefer at this point to disregard this old jargon. It's not useful.

Why a realized person should mess with society is simple. Hope. I see a world where we cease regarding borders and states, parties and religions, possessions and property, where we see the miraculous power of selflessness as not only the common thread of all ancient traditions, but the direct path to both the transcendent and the immanent. The transcendental wisdom and the immanent healing power. The wisdom of selflessness will allow us to return to a more natural state, giving and sharing our worldly works for the good of Earth, the balance in the Cosmos and for the longevity of our people. One heart, one people and one land.

I see the cycles of time clicking over together. We must be together as one tribe to survive whatever drastic changes are coming. If we can accept a modicum of the basic virtue of selflessness, then, despite anyone's belief or lack thereof in divinity, we will be lawful, good, and justice will flow from society. More importantly, we will restore balance to Earth, and we may again receive the fruit of her blessings.

Humbly,

Surrender Nath