Kundalini/Possession Fear

[insideout]

Hello,

First post here so I'll introduce myself a bit.  I've been "I am"ing for 1 month and I just started with 5 minutes of spinal breathing 2 days ago.

Reading through some of your "enlightenment milestones" I got interested in researching more about kundalini awakening and I happened upon this site.  It basically recounts stories of premature kundalini awakenings, think Gopi Krishna, but it also talks about possession and such.  The conclusion of the site is any direct spiritual work, i.e. purifying your nervous system directly, is dangerous and should be abandoned.  The way to enlightenment is through good works, aka "bhakti yoga."

Now I regret reading these stories because they brought up an old trip of mine (yes LSD ) where a dark presence seemed to be nagging me .  Now this same feeling is recurring when I meditate.  My patch up solution has been to meditate with the light on, yes a full-spectrum, energy-saving light bulb does drive away daemons .  I also notice that about half way through my mediation these silly thoughts are gone and I feel just fine.

This will probably clear up on its own right?  Any exorcists posting here?

[weaver]

Hi insideout and welcome to the AYP forum. There are many ways to reach enlightenment, and good works or bhakti yoga can be one of them. Many say that their own path is best and that others are dangerous. AYP is commonly seen as an accelerated path to enlightenment where we speed up the transformative processes. The risks should be very minor if good self-pacing is applied.

It's good to hear that your meditation is going well, and there is nothing wrong with meditating in good light. I have also find that thoughts that may be bothering usually go away a bit into the meditation. Yes, I would say that negative thoughts or feelings will clear out over time as there is more inner silence.

[Kyman]

It is interesting because I have dreams every so often of trying to be possessed, and in the past had a dream or two where I was possessed. These were some of the only dreams that have ever really freightened me enough to wake me up.

I always thought the dream was a symbol of something, or something I could draw knowledge from.

I will never give up meditation unless my intuition suggests it.

[Christi]

Hi Insideout (Nice name[])
And welcome to the forum.
I'm an exorcist. well, I can exorcise demons, or rather, I can call on beings who come and banish demons. I don't make a habit of it, but sometimes it is necessary and help-full.
First off... you don't need to be afraid of demons, their power over us comes mainly from us giving them our power. So if you stay calm and centred, and refuse to give into the fear that they project, they will most likely stay away. There are also forms of protection that we can use if we are being pestered persistently. I mainly use visualization practices and prayers.
I do not think that fears about possession are any reason not to practice yoga. And they are no reason not to practice forms of yoga directed specifically at kundalini awakening. If our yoga is practiced safely, then the dangers are minimal. The dangers of not practicing yoga are immense (like- a lifetime in darkness[!] or more!).
Things can go wrong for people during the kundalini awakening stage, as you have read on other websites, but, as Weaver said, Yogani has put in some very clear directives in the lessons on this website, to show how to avoid any potential problems, and if they are followed clearly, they work.
Class A's (Like LSD) can open us up to beings from the spirit-world, so it is not at all improbable that your drug experience was related to the presence of an entity. Once a dark entity has formed a link with your aura, it can hang around for a long time. You would tend to get bad dreams, and be scared to turn the light off when you are on your own. As you have noticed, they don't like lights. Even candles can keep them at bay.
There are two protection prayers on this website, for helping protect against attack:
http://kundalini-support.com/protect.html
Wolfgang posted the above link on this forum topic:
http://www.aypsite.com/plus-forum/index.php?topic=1700
You will notice on the website that the author thinks that possession is only a danger during a kundalini awakening process if the process is drawn out and difficult, producing trauma and fear. I would generally agree with this as demons are attracted to fear. Peoples experiences here, practicing AYP, are usually far from traumatic or fearful. In fact, a healthy and well managed kundalini awakening, generally leads to an abundance of bliss and divine love in the practitioner, the sort of stuff that attracts the presence of angels (and other, higher beings). And this is just the beginning....
There is a lot of stuff on the web about possession and the dangers of kundalini, and not a lot of stuff about how incredible kundalini awakening is (or rather, can be, if we manage our spiritual practices wisely). Things are a bit out of balance in this respect on the internet, and it would be good to see more stuff about successful kundalini awakenings.
I would now happily walk into a room full of demons, and not be concerned.
I hope this is of some help.
If your problems persist, and you feel it would help, I would happily tell you how I exorcise demons.

Love and Light
Christi.

[VIL]

There are no such thing as demons, dark entities, and the like, and the common fear following a Kundalini awakening, stirred from the muladhara chakra [root chakra], is called the "fight of flight" response, or panic, a panic attack, anxiety attack, whatever.  If you've ever experienced a full-blown panic attack, you'll know what I'm talking about.  The terror from a seemingly unknown source.  That's the 'demon'.  That's the stuff associated with the loss of ego, and also stored childhood trauma associated with this area:

The things that go bump in the night.
Monsters under the bed.
Demons in the closet.

The cognitive thinking of a child, although to the child - very real.

Christ said to Peter, "Get behind me Satan!".  Now, do you think that he thought that Peter was literally a demon?  No.  Peter was a metaphor for the ego.  If you remember, Peter was telling Jesus that he needn't be sacrificed.  Yes, the ego need be - which includes attachment to an overactive imagination and false belief systems.

VIL

[insideout]

quote: Hi insideout and welcome to the AYP forum... I have also find that thoughts that may be bothering usually go away a bit into the meditation. Yes, I would say that negative thoughts or feelings will clear out over time as there is more inner silence.

Thanks for the welcome weaver, I am privileged to interact with all of you "spiritual giants."  
When I'm about 10 minutes into deep meditation I can turn off the light and feel completely at peace.  As you said, this haunting sensation will clear out in due course.

quote:I will never give up meditation unless my intuition suggests it.

Same here.  No matter what kind of tricks my mind may play, I sense something deep and beneficial is going on during mediation, and I like how it is affecting my daily life after only 1 month.

Christi, I'm not going to quote you because you've brought up so many good points, your whole post would be duplicated .  Thank you very much for all the information and suggestions you provided, you are very reassuring.  I thought I might start twisting my head until I face my behind and puke up pea soup .

If the threat is real, and not in my mind like the after-effects of watching a horror movie, I now see that it is empowered or weakened by my reaction to it.  If it wants fear, I'll send it love and joy and send it on its way.

Thanks everyone for your encouragement and good-will.

[insideout]

quote:There are no such thing as demons, dark entities, and the like, and the common fear following a Kundalini awakening, stirred from the muladhara chakra [root chakra], is called the "fight of flight" response, or panic, a panic attack, anxiety attack, whatever... The cognitive thinking of a child...

Hi VIL, that makes a lot of sense.  Especially since if feels like the childish "monster under the bed" type fear.

[Anthem]

quote:Originally posted by insideout

Hello,

Reading through some of your "enlightenment milestones" I got interested in researching more about kundalini awakening and I happened upon this site.  It basically recounts stories of premature kundalini awakenings, think Gopi Krishna, but it also talks about possession and such.  The conclusion of the site is any direct spiritual work, i.e. purifying your nervous system directly, is dangerous and should be abandoned.  The way to enlightenment is through good works, aka "bhakti yoga."

Now I regret reading these stories because they brought up an old trip of mine (yes LSD ) where a dark presence seemed to be nagging me .  Now this same feeling is recurring when I meditate.  My patch up solution has been to meditate with the light on, yes a full-spectrum, energy-saving light bulb does drive away daemons .  I also notice that about half way through my mediation these silly thoughts are gone and I feel just fine.

This will probably clear up on its own right?  Any exorcists posting here?

Hi Insideout and a warm welcome to AYP,[]

The thoughts you are having about dark entities are simply just thoughts. Thoughts lead to emotional reactions which are completely normal. Treat any thought that comes up the same way, by going back to the mantra when you realize that you are off of it. Meditation is bringing the light of awareness into your mind and thoughts, any negativity won't last long through this!
 

quote:
If the threat is real, and not in my mind like the after-effects of watching a horror movie, I now see that it is empowered or weakened by my reaction to it. If it wants fear, I'll send it love and joy and send it on its way.

This sounds like excellent advice to me![8D]

All the best,

A

[yoginstar]

Hi all,
I beg to disagree... I used to think that, that dark forces are just thoughts, or projections from ourselves. But no longer. I can fairly safely say that I have been in situations where I could have done with an excorsist[] However, Insideout, after having read the AYP lessons, I understood that I had done (experienced) about everything wrong that could be wrong. I.e. Kundalini going out of the crown the very first time, no training, and no spinal breathing to get it down, (my clumsy words). You will read the further lessons on Kundalini and will find out the tools for managing all of it safely, the proper way. From the depths of my being I feel/know/see that it is entirely exactly as stated by Yogani in these lessons. Because of these lessons I now understand the workings of it. That said, I am reading Secrets of Wilder and have some interesting questions going on in my mind. But wow, I have been sooooo busy off late, and I hardly expect to be any less busy in the foreseeable future, so I am just jumping in here quickly, having discovered the"Active Topic " button, or discovered, it was mentioned last week or so[]

QUESTION FOR YOGANI: I added a picture on the dutch lesson number 33......... http://www.odysseyofthesoul.de/AYP/033.htm about halfway down... let me know if you wish me to remove it[]
All the best!

[Anthem]

quote:Originally posted by yoginstar

Hi all,
I beg to disagree... I used to think that, that dark forces are just thoughts, or projections from ourselves. But no longer. I can fairly safely say that I have been in situations where I could have done with an excorsist[] However, Insideout, after having read the AYP lessons, I understood that I had done (experienced) about everything wrong that could be wrong. I.e. Kundalini going out of the crown the very first time, no training, and no spinal breathing to get it down, (my clumsy words). You will read the further lessons on Kundalini and will find out the tools for managing all of it safely, the proper way. From the depths of my being I feel/know/see that it is entirely exactly as stated by Yogani in these lessons. Because of these lessons I now understand the workings of it.

Hi Yoginstar,

Always feel free to disagree, that is what open discussions and this forum is all about, the exploration of yoga in all its different manifestations. There is a distinction between what you addressed and what I wrote above that you may not have noticed. I mentioned that thoughts about dark entities are simply just thoughts. So as long as Insideout is just thinking thoughts about dark entities, they should be treated like any other thoughts that come up in meditation, by going back to the mantra.

This is all true of course until some tall guy dressed in black plastic, with a cape, a red light-sabre and sounds a little like James Earl Jones taps you on the shoulder, at which point I think it's perfectly fine to run screaming from the room![]

all the best[],

A

[yogani]

quote:Originally posted by yoginstar

QUESTION FOR YOGANI: I added a picture on the dutch lesson number 33......... http://www.odysseyofthesoul.de/AYP/033.htm about halfway down... let me know if you wish me to remove it[]
All the best!

Hi Yoginstar:

Not able to read Dutch, so not sure what the context of the photo is. I don't think Sri Yukteswar is mentioned in that lesson. We certainly don't want to imply that full lotus (padmasana) is a prerequisite, or goal, for AYP sitting practices. It is a lesson on simple cross-legged sitting. Later on we offer siddhasana. Padmasana is not instructed in AYP.

So, unless you have a good reason, it probably doesn't belong there. Maybe in a lesson where Sri Yukteswar or padmasana is mentioned, if you like. It would be appreciated that if you add anything like that to include a note such as, "photo added by translator," or something similar, so folks won't get confused about what is in the original lessons.

I see you are up to lesson 42 already. Not bad!

Many thanks, and all the best!

The guru is in you.

[Athma_Shakti]

everyone knows that our creation exists in duality.

so there are positive and negative entities exist. but its only our mind we are differentiating positive and negative. for God its only pure idea of creation.

positive thoughts and good deeds attracts good peoples and vice versa.

but there is nothing to be afraid, anyone practicing Yoga even the beginners will not be harmed by anyone. God is the supreme power always with us for our protection. put your mind on God when you practice Yoga.

i want to mention here, when practicing any type of Yoga try to be more relaxed and do some prayers whatever God or religion you may like before you start Yoga practices. we no need to fear for anything, everything around us is God only. just we have to do mutual respect for everything around us for its existence. mutual respect in the sense the distance between each other which helps us to coexist. the distance between atoms which makes material things.

everything around us is only pure light of God.
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good post from Christi. lots of indepth meaning involved in it. but Christi don't teach everyone to become exorcist, that is not our job
just kidding

[Fran]

Hi,

I thought I'd just share something in relation to an experience I had that felt like an entity attacking me. I was in the midst of kundalini awakening, although I didn't realise it at the time. I'd taken a small number of mushrooms and was doing meditation, shamanic journeying and tantric sex for a weekend with my boyfriend in a friend of his cottage in the countryside. One night I woke up screaming as a crazy woman had just stabbed me in the solar plexus. The same night my boyfriend saw a crazy woman. I later found out it was the same room someone had suffered from bad mental health problems.
One of the symptoms I'm left with is a pain in my solar plexus and jolting as energy hits a block there.
Any insight in to this would be appreciated (christi?). I don't feel that she is there still in some way attached to me (I hope not anyway!), more that there is a psychic wound there that seems deep and resistant to healing. May not be related to that, or may be just part of it, I don't know, this has caused me fear and anxiety in the past, yet I'm much more relaxed about it now thank goodness. Before this I didn't really believe in this kind of thing, but the experience felt very real,
Fran

[Christi]

Hi Fran
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a great weekend[8D]. I never seem to find time for those Shamanic journey/ Psychadelics/ Tantric sex/ Kundalini awakening weekends away these days. I must get a life again.
Funny that you should post this now. I met a woman today who asked me to help her exorcise a dark entity that is following her around. I am going to try and do it tomorrow.
As for your experience, I don't think I can help much. It could be any of a number of things. Like:
1. It could have just been a bad dream, and your mind created the pain in your solar plexus which is still felt.
2. You could have had a kundalini experience whilst asleep, brought on by the mushrooms/ tantra/ meditation etc. which hit a block in your solar plexus. Then your mind (in dream state) creates the story about the crazy lady etc....
3. There could have been a crazy lady who used to live in the room. Her mental state could have left thought formations in the astral realm. You picked up on these thought formations and your mind created the rest. Thought formations like this are common in the astral realms. They are not entities in their own right, in other words they do not possess consciousness, but they do have a kind of form, and momentum, and will, which they were infused with at the time they are created. We all create formations like this in the astral planes with our thoughts, especially if we use strong emotions with them. This is how Magic works (Wicca).
4. The crazy lady could have died in the room, or died somewhere else and returned to the room, and her spirit/ ghost could have attacked you through your solar plexus chakra. Spirits often use chakras to attack humans, as they work as entry points into the etheric body.
Given that your boyfriend also saw the woman, it sounds like it is most likely option 3 or 4.
I don't know what to advise, other than what I wrote in my post above.
 

quote:I don't feel that she is there still in some way attached to me (I hope not anyway!), more that there is a psychic wound there that seems deep and resistant to healing. May not be related to that, or may be just part of it, I don't know, this has caused me fear and anxiety in the past, yet I'm much more relaxed about it now thank goodness.

If nothing is attached to your aura, then you don't need an exorcist[] You can repair chakras by breathing into them (breathe in and imagine your breath going in through your third eye and into your solar plexus chakra). Although AYP spinal breathing does a pretty good job of sorting out all our chakras. Using AYP spinal breathing means that the chakras get repaired and opened automatically in the right order, so there is less chance of messing things up (like ending up with an overactive solar plexus chakra).
If you do feel like something is attached to you and is bugging you, especially if it has a kind of dark feel to it that doesn't let you sleep easy, then that is another matter....
Hope this helps.

Christi

[Christi]

Hi Fran,
P.s. Welcome to the forum[]