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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Ananda Spurana program (ASP) or Life Bliss Program

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1128 From: "veena_shenoy2000" <veena_shenoy2000@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jun 28, 2005 0:43pm
Subject: Ananda Spurana program (ASP) or Life Bliss Program (LBP)  veena_shenoy...
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Ananda Spurana program (ASP) or Life Bliss Program (LBP)

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Says Swamiji - "Any mantra becomes religious. Religion always brings
conflict. My techniques are common to all, with no requirement to
believe in any God, only openness of mind, to keep the Energy flow in
a perfect way. In my techniques, the presence of God is not
necessary, your presence is enough."

This program referred to as the Ananda Spurana program (ASP) in India
and Life Bliss Program (LBP) outside India, unleashes the latent
inner potential of every Being and helps in taking the first step
towards Bliss. Ananda means Bliss and Spurana means flowering. This
program is about the flowering of Bliss within oneself.



Why for me?
According to Swamiji, every child born in this world is in a state of
meditation. He says: "Meditation IS our true nature. As a child
begins to grow, the purity of its Meditation is spoilt by the
conditionings imposed on it - by the family, by the community, by the
society, by religions, by the State and all such man-made
institutions. As a result, a child that arrives in this world in a
state of utter innocence, wonder, joy, ecstasy and celebration, turns
into a miserable and wretched human being torn by divisions, tensions
and turmoil.
"There are seven chakras or energy centres in our body that are
responsible for the proper functioning of the body, mind and heart.
When any one of them is low on energy, the system malfunctions and
the associated part of the body gets dis-eased. This low energy can
be felt much before it manifests itself in the physical body as a
disease. Upon energizing the chakra again, the disease dissolves."

This is a program that is related to these seven chakras and their
role in the human body. To keep each of them in an energized and
healthy condition, a meditation technique for each is discussed and
practiced.

People have undergone tremendous physical and mental transformations
beyond their own expectations.
One's creativity improves and cock-eyed perceptions change.
While the ASP is an insight into well-being, Swamiji prescribes an
everyday 30-minute meditation technique called the Mahamantra for
keeping the overall energy flow in good condition. Swamiji's
discourse on the ASP is available in audiocassettes and CDs in the
Ananda Galleria (Divine shop).

What are the Requirements?

An Open Mind
Above 12 years of age. The meditation techniques have been practiced
by people upto 85 years of age.

How do I enroll for the program?

The ASP and LBP are conducted periodically throughout India and
abroad by Swamiji's acharyas (teachers). For ASP schedules within
India, please visit www.dhyanapeetam.org. Those who attend this
program are eligible to attend the next level program - Nithyananda
Spurana Program (NSP) conducted by Swamiji Himself all over the
world.

If anyone is interested in hosting group LBP session in your city
please contact us. Please forward this message to your friends and
family. Please visit www.dhyanapeetam.org

thanks
Ma Ananda Turiya
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / gain pranic benefit by 'imagining' doing asanas?

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:51:49 AM »

1121 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jun 27, 2005 0:43pm
Subject: gain pranic benefit by 'imagining' doing asanas?  david_obsidian1
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    Do you think you can gain benefit by imagining doing asanas? I think
you can, but it very much depends on the type of 'imagine'.

There is a type of 'imagine' that is very close to the body, that
*just* stops short of engaging the nerves and muscles; and there are
other forms of 'imagine' that are very mental and don't get close to
the body at all. It's the first kind of 'imagine' that can be used
to gain some benefit from postures without doing them.

A radical idea? I've noticed this myself, but have found other
people mention the same effect. The way one person put it is that
you can get the *pranic* benefit from doing postures in your
imagination.

A corrollary from that is that you can get some benefit from dreaming
that you are doing postures, or doing them in your sleep. Recall
that we don't remember most of our dreams. In fact I think that
doing postures in fragmentary dreams/ subdream states is possibly an
integral part of the integration that goes with doing postures. This
could be going on all the time when we do postures and we don't know
it.

What I do know is that in certain fragmentary dreams (from which I
have woken up) I have found myself doing a yoga posture, and in
fact, it was the 'pranic' jolt from the transition that occured that
woke me up and made me aware of what was happening.

These ideas are not at all crazy btw from an informed scientific
point of view. In fact, there were some studies done recently (and
published in a reputable journal --- I think I saw a reference to it
in one of MIT's magazine publications) that established that people
can build muscle to an extent just by imagining the workout of that
muscle.

'Imagine' might not be a good word for this. 'Simulate' might be
better.

BTW, I am not advocating dispensing with physical postures. But it
is possible that if your somatic imagination is good enough, you
could do a quick simulated asana session in your head before the real
one. One of the great things about the simulated session is that you
can go at any speed you like. Or what about doing a simulated asana
session while you lie in bed just before you get up and do the real
one?

Any comments anyone?

-David
 
 
 
 1122 From: "RobGee" <robg33@catskill.net>
Date: Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:19pm
Subject: Re: gain pranic benefit by 'imagining' doing asanas?  ginoverdi9
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    This technique was used extensively and very successfully by East German
olympic swimmers in the 70's and 80's and their unbeatable teams.
Hari Om
Rob



>
> Do you think you can gain benefit by imagining doing asanas? I think
> you can, but it very much depends on the type of 'imagine'.
 
 
 
 1123 From: Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:45pm
Subject: Re: gain pranic benefit by 'imagining' doing asanas?  rngupta31
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    Dear David!
Your comments for getting pranic benefit by 'imagining'doing Asanas r good to the extent of pranic benefits and/or such imagining of doing asanas during one's indisposition/llness.
So far as asanas for physical flexibility, wellness/ fitness, I think doing practical asanas r inevitable.
Regards,
Ram



david_obsidian1 <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you think you can gain benefit by imagining doing asanas? I think
you can, but it very much depends on the type of 'imagine'.

There is a type of 'imagine' that is very close to the body, that
*just* stops short of engaging the nerves and muscles; and there are
other forms of 'imagine' that are very mental and don't get close to
the body at all. It's the first kind of 'imagine' that can be used
to gain some benefit from postures without doing them.

A radical idea? I've noticed this myself, but have found other
people mention the same effect. The way one person put it is that
you can get the *pranic* benefit from doing postures in your
imagination.

A corrollary from that is that you can get some benefit from dreaming
that you are doing postures, or doing them in your sleep. Recall
that we don't remember most of our dreams. In fact I think that
doing postures in fragmentary dreams/ subdream states is possibly an
integral part of the integration that goes with doing postures. This
could be going on all the time when we do postures and we don't know
it.

What I do know is that in certain fragmentary dreams (from which I
have woken up) I have found myself doing a yoga posture, and in
fact, it was the 'pranic' jolt from the transition that occured that
woke me up and made me aware of what was happening.

These ideas are not at all crazy btw from an informed scientific
point of view. In fact, there were some studies done recently (and
published in a reputable journal --- I think I saw a reference to it
in one of MIT's magazine publications) that established that people
can build muscle to an extent just by imagining the workout of that
muscle.

'Imagine' might not be a good word for this. 'Simulate' might be
better.

BTW, I am not advocating dispensing with physical postures. But it
is possible that if your somatic imagination is good enough, you
could do a quick simulated asana session in your head before the real
one. One of the great things about the simulated session is that you
can go at any speed you like. Or what about doing a simulated asana
session while you lie in bed just before you get up and do the real
one?

Any comments anyone?

-David







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 1124 From: Ute Reeves <nowyoga@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:00pm
Subject: Re: gain pranic benefit by 'imagining' doing asanas?  nowyoga2001
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    David,
I remember reading about a study where they put (I think) athletes into
three groups. One did not practice a certain skill. The other did practice
daily, and the third group practiced plus visualized doing the skill for
some time every day. The third group had most improvement of the skill.

You are not so far off.
Ute
 
 
 
 1125 From: "Melissa" <mm7810@gmail.com>
Date: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:49pm
Subject: Re: gain pranic benefit by 'imagining' doing asanas?  mm78102002
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    Hi David -

I think "simulated practice" has much merit. Many years ago [lol],
when I was learning instrument flying, I did the same thing. I
imagined the control panel, the approach, and would spend a few
hours "chair flying". This practice saved me costly extra hours at
the controls. Later, as an instructor, I had a couple of students
do the same thing. Even at the flight school where I taught there
was a flight simulator and I have to admit that the "chair flying"
was just as effective when the student could visualize all the
components. You are correct, it is not a replacement, rather an
enhancement. Good post!

Melissa



--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "david_obsidian1"
<david_obsidian1@y...> wrote:
>
> Do you think you can gain benefit by imagining doing asanas? I
think
> you can, but it very much depends on the type of 'imagine'.
>
> There is a type of 'imagine' that is very close to the body, that
> *just* stops short of engaging the nerves and muscles; and there
are
> other forms of 'imagine' that are very mental and don't get close
to
> the body at all. It's the first kind of 'imagine' that can be
used
> to gain some benefit from postures without doing them.
>
> A radical idea? I've noticed this myself, but have found other
> people mention the same effect. The way one person put it is that
> you can get the *pranic* benefit from doing postures in your
> imagination.
>
> A corrollary from that is that you can get some benefit from
dreaming
> that you are doing postures, or doing them in your sleep. Recall
> that we don't remember most of our dreams. In fact I think that
> doing postures in fragmentary dreams/ subdream states is possibly
an
> integral part of the integration that goes with doing postures.
This
> could be going on all the time when we do postures and we don't
know
> it.
>
> What I do know is that in certain fragmentary dreams (from which I
> have woken up) I have found myself doing a yoga posture, and in
> fact, it was the 'pranic' jolt from the transition that occured
that
> woke me up and made me aware of what was happening.
>
> These ideas are not at all crazy btw from an informed scientific
> point of view. In fact, there were some studies done recently
(and
> published in a reputable journal --- I think I saw a reference to
it
> in one of MIT's magazine publications) that established that
people
> can build muscle to an extent just by imagining the workout of
that
> muscle.
>
> 'Imagine' might not be a good word for this. 'Simulate' might be
> better.
>
> BTW, I am not advocating dispensing with physical postures. But
it
> is possible that if your somatic imagination is good enough, you
> could do a quick simulated asana session in your head before the
real
> one. One of the great things about the simulated session is that
you
> can go at any speed you like. Or what about doing a simulated
asana
> session while you lie in bed just before you get up and do the
real
> one?
>
> Any comments anyone?
>
> -David
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / SECRET DOOR TO HEAVEN

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:51:06 AM »

1118 From: "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@womanthouartgod.com>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:12pm
Subject: SECRET DOOR TO HEAVEN  rasavonwerder
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    CELIBACY - A SECRET DOOR TO HEAVEN
PART I BY RASA VON WERDER



Now we come to one of my favorite - albeit counfounded - topics - one
which few people understand. That is why I must speak, because so
little is said about it and that which is said is repressive rather
than enlightening. It is the "Just say no to sex" that makes sex sound
like an illegal drug that must be avoided at all costs, and with
little or no explanation of what the goal of celibacy really is, makes
people afraid of sex, but at the same times, does not help them to get
over it and reach the Nirvana of celibacy - and there you have it: a
world of confusion and hypocracy.



Celibacy sounds, to most people, like a bad diet. You think of
deprivation and hunger and want. Here you are giving up something with
much benefits - something you don't think you can live without. And no
one is teaching you anything but just say no. Just stop. Just take a
vow and cut it out. Sex itself is a center of our society, but it is
spoken about with humor or snickers, never in that great positive
light that each person seeks sex for. For sex is not seen as an evil
to the indidivual. It contains within it the promise of all that is
good, and should not be, the individual reasons, either repressed,
laughed at or perverted. There must be a healthy, sane, decent
application of sex. Then why isn't society addressing it that way?



This is part of the complication of culture. The answer to the
question of why sex is so maligned is Patriarchy. In Matriarchy, sex
was not evil. In Patriarchy, sex is used to control women, and
therefore it is maligned. The proscriptions against sex are mostly
used against women (but also homosexuals) in order to judge and
condemn women; to have the liberty of calling women sluts, whores,
nymphomaniacs and red-lettered adulturesses. In this double standard
men are virile and have a lust for life when doing the exact same
things. Only recently - in about the last twenty five years or so,
(since 1979, when a Manhattan Beach child care center was accused of
abuse, starting the whole child-abuse discovery revolution) have men
actively been prosecuted for sex crimes.



That first issue - repression and the double standard - is confusing
the whole idea of celibacy. On the side of the "sex is natural"
argument, people are trying to remove repression, double standard and
mockery of sex. That is well and good. A big hand for freedom of good
and natural sex. It is as Matriarchy would have it. But please hear me
- THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE WE ARE ADDRESSING HERE.



The topic at hand is the path of mystical theology, the land of the
saints. It has been spoken of as asceticism and death to self. This
death to self, this denial of the flesh, is a two-sided coin or
double-edged sword. On the one hand, it is an ending, but on the other
it is a beginning. It is like darkness and light. Light follows
darkness, there is no mistake. In the spiritual life, light also
follows the dark night of the soul. Dark night - which I have spoken
of time and time again - is a necessary part of spiritual life. It
cannot be avoided. I attribute dark night to the time of actual
spiritual growth - although the victim feels none of it at the time -
but after the dark night, you see the results of the growth. The
recipient of dark night sees it as a negative, a temporary
chastisement from God and loss of God. When the light returns, the
punishment is at an end, and relief is at hand. The soul rejoices. The
soul usually does not see dark night as a gift, but rather, some
negative thing, probably caused by one's transgressions, at best, the
grace of reparation for sin for other souls. So dark night is a
hardship to be borne but not something anyone yearns for.



I urge the listener to take another look at the dark night of the soul
and all it entails. I preach that something good is happening here,
albeit in the unconscious. You must have faith that when the light
returns, you will see the result of the dark night. The dark night is
not a negative, but an absolute positive to the spiritual life. For an
example, the greatest Dark Night ever told was the story of Our Lord
Jesus Christ, from the night in Gethsemane to the " My God, Into Thy
Hands I Commend My Spirit" words that He spoke. Was not His Dark Night
the Apex, the Climax, the Grandest moment of our deliverance? Without
it, would not His life seem incomplete? It is this fitting climax
which tells the whole story. He gave all, he lost all, and He found
all for himself and us.



Now we come to the teachings of every saint who ever lived. The
greatest saints had the greatest sacrifices and pains. They suffered,
and they strove to achieve that death to self. And they had terrible
dark nights of the soul. Every biography of every saint tells the same
tale. The greater the saint, the greater the deprivations and
conversely, the mystical experiences. Can you see the connection here?



Granted, I will admit to this: Not everyone can travel this path.
There are souls who will march to Hell down the broad highway where
most go. There are souls who will coast through spirituality lukewarm
and passive, their spiritual life sporadic and meaningless. Perhaps by
the skin of their teeth, through someone's prayers, they will make it
to heaven into the lowest place. There are others who do not lose
their souls, but have to live again and again before they can even
think of final repose in the glories of heaven. However that works,
even the smallest degrees of sainthood are not for everyone.



But here, I am not speaking to these. I am speaking to you who hunger
for enlightenment, and thirst for Truth. You are of God and for God,
and you cannot rest till you find Her. You follow the beat of another
drummer, and I will say whatever I have to encourage, shame, and force
you to take a look at yourself and decide what you have to do to gain
the Kingdom of Heaven. So in this article let us forget the
not-ready-for-prime-time-players and concentrate on you, who are
headed for holiness.



In life, all motivation is with the stick and the carrot, the
punishment and the reward. Now I will help you rethink death to self
in general and celibacy in particular. As I said before, society
mostly talks about the stick. You've heard enough of the stick, in
terms of diseases, lack of respect for women, rules of religion. That
goes on hypocritically every day, and we are all sick of it. I will
speak of the downside of sex but from a very different angle, the
spiritual one. But first, the rewards.





THE REWARDS OF CELIBACY & DEATH TO SELF



The human creature is composed of two elements, the physical and the
spiritual. The spiritual may not be active in each person, but when it
is active, the following is true: Spiritual acumen is different from
wordly acumen. Since the spirit world or metaphysical is unseen and
unheard it cannot be measured and understood in an ordinary way.
Therefore, how is it perceived and understood? How does anyone know
what is going on in the non-physical reality? How could all scriptures
have been written, where countless people are communicating with
"God," listening to God, hearing the rules and admonitions of God,
hearing God's answer to prayer and rebukes? How could saints like
Thomas of Aquinas figure out what types of angels there are, and what
kind of sections they are in, like choirs and seraphs and so on? How
could anyone figure out what is the Holy Trinity, and who saw the
Angel Gabriel speaking to Mary about being pregnant with the unseen
Holy Spirit? The entire Bible and all scriptures of all religions have
to do with the unseen and the unknown, and so, how is this seen and
become known?



Have I made it clear that there are two sets of seeing, and
understanding and perception of reality - and they are the physical
and the spiritual? Then my simple answer to the above is that physical
is seen with physical faculties, and spiritual with spiritual
faculties. Now what are the spiritual faculties? They are the
following, first: INTERIOR SENSES, which is seeing, tasting, feeling,
smelling and hearing the metaphysical. Second there are the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit. Most notable, those that deal with knowledge,
understanding and wisdom. Through these three Gifts, a person
perceives the other side in a variety of ways. There is teleportation,
for instance. (Not bilocation, which is fairly common and does not
require holiness.) I myself have teleported to Purgatory and Heaven,
which are miracles of the Holy Spirit. (I have never been to Hell
although I have had visions of it and dreams, and have had my share of
hell on earth.) There is the ability to see the inside of the souls of
others on earth, and to know the secrets of their hearts and minds.
This is like looking into the "hard drive" of a computer, or the
inside of a person's soul. This is a great gift of the Holy Spirit
which I have. There is the gift of seeing things of the past and of
the future, and this could come under the heading of "prophecy" or
"word of knowledge" or "knowledge" or "understanding" or "wisdom,"
depending on how you interpret the Gifts.



Who has these Gifts? Who has interior faculties that work? Who has
Consciousness?
I assure you, right now, that those who follow the world and the flesh
do not have them, but those who pray and practice death to self or
death to one's dependence on the world and flesh develop these
faculties and receive these gifts.



Now it follows then, that the person who does not have these abilities
will not understand them. And such a person will be attached to the
things of the world and the flesh and live in that world in their
consciousness. This lower consciousness can be defined in a number of
ways. Yogis call it delusion, and delusion it is. I will also refer to
it as the world of the shallow and also the world of ice, snow and cold.



So now, be aware of the two worlds: the Kingdom of God and the
World/Flesh Domain - two opposing realms (except in miracle vision
where the two become one, the way God sees it.) Now to be absorbed in
God is to be abstracted from the world/flesh, and to be sunk into the
world/flesh is to be absent from God.


(Don't oppose me on this statement but just bear with me.) It is true
that when a person wants to join with God they leave all things
behind, and they work on this more and more diligently until all
things pass away for them, and then their ego, and then, there is
nothing left between them and God, and the two become one. I went
through this in January, February, March 1982. Unfortunately, you
cannot stay in this place forever. The world/flesh comes back - the
consciousness of it. Now in the case of myself and those who are
enlightened, this sense of world/flesh can pull you down and deceive
you to some degree. To beginners and those who are not yet enlightened
- to a great degree. Like cataracts which ever so slowly block out
more and more light, a person sinking into the flesh consciousness
notices nothing until God is not there. Then he or she blames God for
being absent, but it is you, not God, that is at fault. Of course, in
the dark night God allows it, but here we speak of darkness that comes
not by grace, but absorption in earthly things.



One of the easiest and quickest ways to fall into the lower
consciousness is through physical attraction to another person or the
idea of sex/lust of itself. I noticed right away that the devotees are
"falling" by sex - or interest in sex, through that process we call
romantic love or infatuation, or the promise of what earthly love
brings. This is truly the linchpin of mystical attainment or lack
thereof. The men I have are falling by the wayside through sex. Either
they cannot bear the thought of giving up sex, or they know they
should be celibate and want to be, but they are so hysterical at the
thought of giving it up they walk away from the calling.





WHAT TO DO ABOUT SEX



My advice to all those who want to devote themselves to God and myself
completely is not to even think about the vow of celibacy yet. Take
temporary vows - to yourself - of how long you can stand. I did it for
years, one year at a time, then off the wagon. Then again, two years,
then one year later. This went on and off for about ten years before
Our Holy Mother appeared to me and asked me to take the vow. She gave
me the grace to keep it. Was it easy? It was painful, but decreasingly
so. I ask the devotees to follow my path. Struggle for a long time and
pray. Then wait for the Feminine Divine to appear to you and suggest
taking the vow. That means it is time. When you are with me, of your
own free will, you are not on a permanent vow. You try and keep
celibacy, but if you cannot, it is not a mortal sin. You have not
broken a vow to God, only your own discipline. This will keep the
anxiety from overtaking you.





THE DEVIL WILL ATTACK WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE CELIBACY



Here is how the devil works. As long as you are living a normal life,
he usually leaves you alone. But the moment you undertake grand
things, one of which is celibacy, you stir him up. You also awaken
your own anxiety. The devil will quickly use your anxiety to show you
how terrible it will be as a celibate. He will paint a dreary picture
of all the love, romance and fun you will lose. You will be lonely,
alone, without intimacy and companionship. He will stir you up so
badly that you will be ready to run to a brothel and spend your life
savings on a binge.
I like what Oscar Wilde said, "I can resist anything but temptation."



This is why the dispensation I am giving you - my devotees - of ten
years of struggle before the final vow. Here you will allay your
anxiety and get prepared for the final decision. We don't want you to
take a vow you cannot keep. Then you would hate yourself and feel you
have failed. What a blow to your self esteem that would be!



Here is what a person thinks they are losing - and sometimes do. What
you must bear in mind is that for everything that you lose - GOD WILL
REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING BETTER, HIGHER AND MORE BEAUTIFUL. But in
the beginning, you don't see that. (Yes, in some cases, grace comes
strongly and it blows out any need for sex for a long time. This
happened to me when I went deeply into yoga at times. I scarcely
thought of sex when grace was that strong. It simply replaced the need
for it. But that strong grace eventually leaves, and the flesh
returns.) Most times you do not see the ecstasy God will bring when
the sex drive goes away, when everything of the world dims. All you
think of is the loss. This is how it goes:



"I will lose the intimacy. I will not be able to bond, to find
consolation from the mind, heart and body of another person. I long to
feel wanted, to belong. I long to be accepted. How can I cut myself
off from love? Love nourishes me, it comforts me. I will give up all
chances for that. I will be all alone, with my hand. My hand isn't
going to make me feel accepted and loved. I will feel unwanted. How
can I bear this?"



It is true that even the very sex act itself - without love or
intimacy - conjures up the "feel good" hormones. Just banging away,
with a stranger, or masturbating, does have physical/emotional/mental
benefits. This cannot be denied and it would be foolish to do so.



But I must admit, that the sex drive is also torture. It is the
torture of a need that surfaces again, and again. The need says, "I
must have orgasm." This need confuses the mind, as all such needs make
the mind lower itself to them, and thinking changes. So that a person
starts to make excuses around that need: "I love God, and this does
not interfere with God." (Yet you have no idea how much closer you
will come to God when your sex drive diminishes.)



About excuses people make when they have needs and addictions. A
friend of mine has been saying for years, "I can give up smoking if I
want to. But I don't want to."



He's been smoking for over forty years. Then people say they can "take
or leave sex," yet they are doing it regularly. They do not realyze
how attached they are to their partner - be it wife or girlfriend.
They don't notice any pain because the need is always satisfied. This
very same person would see how needy they are if their mate left them.



Frequently we center our lives around our needs - otherwise we could
not fulfill those needs. If you need a drug, life revolves around it.
If you have a great habit, life has to be shoved here and there to
make allowance for it. Sex is like that. Without realizing it, the
need to fill that sex drive with a partner will touch much of your
life. Your time, attention, spending, mental, physical and emotional
energy and focus. All this does take away from the pursuit and the
love of God. I know there will be many objections here concerning the
need for marriage and the greatness of it. Marriage is a bit
complicated. Marriage might be a good thing, in some cases. But for
me, marriage meant sex, and sex was a stumbling block. I no longer
wanted to indulge in it. I had gotten it out of my system and did not
want my system to awaken the need. Luckily, my husband respected me
and did not push for sex. In fact, he feared offending God as much as
I did, and told me that companionship was the most important part of
our relationship.



I learned that when I gave up sex, all the things that I yearned for,
in the flesh, by having sex, were given to me by God. To be perfectly
honest, sex itself usually held great promise, but in the end, brought
dissapointment and pain. You imagine all sorts of love. For women,
it's the Knight in Shining Armor, Sir Galahad. The Hero types only
appeared AFTER I became celibate! The selfish, lower nature men
surrounded me when I was doing sex, each waiting to be chosen. But
when that was not forthcoming, they left, and the men of a higher
nature became my friends. I no longer chose my companions for looks
and sex appeal. That was one of the smartest decisions I ever made!
Now I took men for their character, intelligence and dependability.
These men strengthened me instead of draining me and my self esteem
went sky high!





THE MASCULINE DIVINE



The intimacy - romantic love that I had sought in men was replaced by
God in what I call "The Masculine Divine." Once I sacrificed sex, it
happened. It did not happen right away, but a few years later. And
thereafter, it became stronger and stronger. God began to appear to me
as the men who were the handsomest and sexiest I had ever imagined.
God appeared as movie stars and tv stars. But it was under the image
of these bodies that God entered into me ecstatic grace. It was better
than sex. I assure you, Jesus appears to me as Tom Selleck at certain
times. When he is Tom, it is something very special. It means "divine
spouse" in the most intimate way possible. That way is The Stigmata.
This is a long story and deserves another article, so I will leave it
at that. Succinctly I will say that Jesus as Tom means,



"You died with me on the Cross, and now I am here for you as your
lawful wedded husband. We have had lots of children before, and now, I
will put grace into you again (through his heart, mind and penis) and
you will be pregnant with another child. Another child will be born of
us into the Kingdom of God."



Things like this transpire that could have never happened had I held
on+to sex. You cannot compare sex with Jesus to sex with a man. God
does something to you that is indescribable except by the term
ECSTASY. I had read about saints having ecstasy, but until it happens,
you cannot imagine it. It is like winning the Lotto - the joy of
suddenly having millions of dollars. I have awakened many a day with
such experiences and a warm glow held me throughout the day. God loves
me! It is so wonderful to be loved, and this cannot be taken away!



When Jesus appears to me as husband it is always because some souls
are going to receive the born-again experience. This is the process of
birth into the Kingdom of God. Jesus uses me as His conduit of grace,
and symbolically, His penis is the funnel of grace. I never feel his
penis in the gross way that sex feels on earth. On rare times, I know
he is on top of me and it is happening in a subtle way, but there is
no hint of grossness, only spiritual, emotional ecstasy.



This subtle consciousness cannot be given you until and unless you are
cleansed of strong physical attachments. The sex drive will definitely
keep you on the "animal" level. Your consciousness on this level is
gross. It sees things in a crude way. But when you rise in the
spiritual realm, your mind and senses become "soft and warm" like in a
good trance. Your being dilates. Your unconscious is opened, and the
windows and doors of your faculties open up to greater power, greater
vision. This is hard to understand for earthly people. You have to
experience it to understand.


Rasa Von Werder
June 17, 2005





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1120 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:19pm
Subject: Re: SECRET DOOR TO HEAVEN  david_obsidian1
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    > This is part of the complication of culture. The answer to the
> question of why sex is so maligned is Patriarchy. In Matriarchy,
sex
> was not evil. In Patriarchy, sex is used to control women, and
> therefore it is maligned. The proscriptions against sex are mostly
> used against women (but also homosexuals) in order to judge and
> condemn women; to have the liberty of calling women sluts, whores,
> nymphomaniacs and red-lettered adulturesses. In this double
standard
> men are virile and have a lust for life when doing the exact same
> things. Only recently - in about the last twenty five years or so,
> (since 1979, when a Manhattan Beach child care center was accused
of
> abuse, starting the whole child-abuse discovery revolution) have
men
> actively been prosecuted for sex crimes.


Hello Rasa,

you are in something of a rant there, and you are over-simplifying
tremendously. Watch out for the Patriarchy/Matriarchy dichotomy,
which is largely mythical, and is often used to further good-tribe
versus bad-tribe dynamics and get some hate going along gender lines
(although it sometimes does occur in a hate-free context). I've
seen some of your messages before, and they all seem to have this
same rant going somewhere. If you can work this issue through in
yourself so that the rant does not appear, your message would be
more clearly, and more exclusively, one of love. And with that it
would shine a lot more.

Best of luck to you on your path.

Blessings,

-D
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / thank you

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:49:21 AM »

1112 From: meg
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:57pm
Subject: thank you  margaret...
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    Thanks for the warm welcome to the AYP group. Your thoughtful answers have
given me a lot of info to chew on. For reasons I don9t yet understand, I
feel compelled to dive deeply into the practices, so it9s good to know that
there9s a support group available. I9m excited about the journey ahead!

with much appreciation


meg


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 1113 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:59pm
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    "For reasons I don9t yet understand, I feel compelled to dive deeply into the practices "'

That compulsion is bhakti, pure and simple. It's wonderful you feel it so strongly. And it's
all you need to ignite what you're looking to ignite. You're on track and you're doing
things in the right order (calm before bliss).

The only pitfall is to avoid letting your bhakti turn your yoga into yet another ladder to
strivingly climb - another skill to "get good at", another merit badge. Everything's perfect
right now, exactly as-is, so yoga isn't bringing you anywhere or giving you anything. Your
practice is simply burning off your windshield's caked-on mud so you can more fully bask
in this innate perfection. Do these practices simply because your soul is drawn to them.
Approached in this way - with a happy shrug - you'll avoid the pitfalls!



--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, meg wrote:
> Thanks for the warm welcome to the AYP group. Your thoughtful answers have
> given me a lot of info to chew on. For reasons I don9t yet understand, I
> feel compelled to dive deeply into the practices, so it9s good to know that
> there9s a support group available. I9m excited about the journey ahead!
>
> with much appreciation
>
>
> meg
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Trika Yoga as per Vighan Bhairav Tantra in US and

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1110 From: Virendra Qazi <pomposh@gmail.com>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:12am
Subject: Trika Yoga as per Vighan Bhairav Tantra in US and Canada  virendraqazi
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    Respected Friends,

We are planning our spiritual journey from mid September.

INNER BLISS & HARMONY is transformation programme to discover inner
strength and harmonize body - mind - soul.

We will be teaching as per the pure tradition of Oriental Wisdom. It
is called Kashmir Shaivism. We will greatly focus on the practical
methods. The results will be remarkable.

We will love the association of noble friends who can learn and guide
others after our visit is over.

Hema is accompanying me. She is a devotional singer and captivated
with her mystic poetry of 14th century poetess - Lalleshwari. She is
very adept in holistic yoga. These basic exercises greatly help in
leading a healthy life.

Thus we will endeavor for rejunivation of: Body - Mind - Soul

Love and blessings to all,


Virendra.
Chairman / Lalleshwari International Trust
Delhi - India. ( 91 - 11 - 26133936 ) M - ( 91 - 9818211796 )
http://www.iKashmir.org/Shaivism/VirendraQazi/index.html
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / pure bliss consciousness???

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1107 From: meg
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:56pm
Subject: pure bliss consciousness???  margaretsueh...
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    Hello - I'm a brand new member of this group, and am so excited to be part
of a larger group of people who are into these practices. I9ve been
following the lessons in Yogani9s book for about 4 months, and am really
impressed at how intelligent and insightful his writings are. However, I
have to say that I have yet to feel anything resembling 3pure bliss
consciousness2 (PBC) and it9s kind of bumming me out. I9m getting a lot out
of the lessons (i.e., it9s had a very calming effect in my life), but when I
read about how other practitioners are feeling everything from tingling in
their gut to throbbing in their big toe, I have to wonder if I9m missing
something. Needless to say, I9m not at the kechari stage yet, but I9d love
to hear from some of you about your initial experiences. Namely, what is
PBC? Will I know it if/when I experience it? Do some people just never
experience it? How much weight should one give to the physical sensations
as signs of progress?

Thanks for your responses. I9ve enjoyed reading your discussions on
marriage.



meg




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 1108 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:19pm
Subject: Re: pure bliss consciousness???  vic
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    Welcome Meg,
I would say that it is a gradual process. Many of us have come from long practice in other styles (I did Iyengar pranayama for over 20 years) and so when we tried the AYP practices it was like shifting into high gear and the change was very swift. In the case of someone starting Yoga for the first time with AYP I would expect the process of deepened practice to take some time and that most sensations or experiences would be primarly blocks or energetic obstructions showing up rather than "pure bliss conciousness". I would just advise you to persevere, don't rush ahead too much and do it for the long run not the short term high. Little by little the practice itself will teach you and you will find yourself opening up in perhaps mysterious ways. Just do the practice, self pace and pay attention in the moment to how you feel doing the practice. Then just keep plugging away........

meg wrote:
Hello ­ I9m a brand new member of this group, and am so excited to be part
of a larger group of people who are into these practices. I9ve been
following the lessons in Yogani9s book for about 4 months, and am really
impressed at how intelligent and insightful his writings are. However, I
have to say that I have yet to feel anything resembling 3pure bliss
consciousness2 (PBC) and it9s kind of bumming me out. I9m getting a lot out
of the lessons (i.e., it9s had a very calming effect in my life), but when I
read about how other practitioners are feeling everything from tingling in
their gut to throbbing in their big toe, I have to wonder if I9m missing
something. Needless to say, I9m not at the kechari stage yet, but I9d love
to hear from some of you about your initial experiences. Namely, what is
PBC? Will I know it if/when I experience it? Do some people just never
experience it? How much weight should one give to the physical sensations
as signs of progress?

Thanks for your responses. I9ve enjoyed reading your discussions on
marriage.



meg




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 1109 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:04am
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    Hello Meg,

welcome to AYP.

I9m getting a lot out
> of the lessons (i.e., it9s had a very calming effect in my life),

Glad to hear it is working well for you already. If it has a
calming effect on your life, it is working. The following two
lessons are very appropriate ---

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/35.html
http://www.aypsite.com/plus/185.html

Some words in particular about other peoples "experiences" --- don't
worry about not having them. Experiences are all so varied and
particular, and many of them mean no more than having indigestion.

> to hear from some of you about your initial experiences. Namely,
what is
> PBC? Will I know it if/when I experience it?

If PBC comes on to you suddenly you will notice the change
immediately; if it comes to you gradually over the years (and this
can happen too), you may only notice it on reflection as a happy
change that has come to you over time.

(Actually, the more technical truth is that we all have some PBC
always. So it is *always* a matter of degree, kind of like
temperature. So if you were living in Arctic weather and you
suddenly felt a warm Meditarranian breeze, you'd notice it and say
something had happened. If your inner weather changed over a period
of twenty years from Arctic to Mediterranean, you might never
notice anything happening at any particular time, but you would
notice the changes on reflection.)

Sometimes people experience a very immediate, deep inner silence,
like a sudden phase change. It is like as I mentioned, someone
living in the Arctic suddenly experiencing a Mediterranean breeze.

It is a little like this --- you know about the idea of 'acute
illness', being an illness that is with you for a short time --
and 'chronic illness', being an illness that is with you for a long
period --- well, let's use 'acute' and 'chronic' in a non-
negative way if you could imagine a counterpart like 'acute health'
and 'chronic health' , so we could talk about 'acute Pure Bliss
Consciousness (PBC)' and 'chronic PBC'. Acute PBC is like the
meditarranean breeze; chronic PBC is like living in the
mediterranean.

Obviously, just as chronic health is better than acute health, so
chronic PBC is better than acute PBC.

Now, another twist is that the length of time acute PBC lasts can
be as little as a fraction of a second. Sometimes people get acute
PBC in meditation, sometimes it is only a fraction of a second,
sometimes they can learn to sustain it for longer. Sometimes acute
PBC happens outside of meditation, spontaneously, as
spiritual 'peak experiences' (although not all peak experiences are
acute PBC). If this happens to you, at least in a very deep form,
you'll notice it. In a very deep form it generally
brings 'spontaneous kumbhak' with it, which is a sudden slowing of
the metabolism causing immediate cessation (= near-cessation) of the
breath for as long as it lasts. There may well be more shallow
acute PBC experiences too, which are less noticeable.

If you can develop and sustain acute PBC, chronic PBC will
generally begin to take root over time. However, I believe that
chronic PBC can start to take hold without acute PBC ever
happening. This should be some comfort to people who don't ever get
any acute PBC in meditation.

I have heard that Pema Chodron, the esteemed Tibetan buddhist
teacher, despite having meditated for decades has never had acute
PBC at all, but I see a lot of evidence that she has it in the
chronic form.

I have coined some pretty clinical terms here for things for which
much more poetic, beautiful terms are often used. What I have
called 'Acute PBC' is called 'Savikalpa Samadhi' in the yoga
tradition and 'Chronic PBC' is called 'Nirvikalpa Samadhi'.

So, maybe I've said enough about PBC. I'd say read those lessons I
mentioned, be glad your practice is working, take it all as it
comes. Don't over-fuss about either presence or absence of
particular experiences. Congratulations on starting the practice.
It is inevitable that you will discover who you are in time.

Blessings,

-David




--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, meg  wrote:
> Hello - I9m a brand new member of this group, and am so excited to
be part
> of a larger group of people who are into these practices. I9ve
been
> following the lessons in Yogani9s book for about 4 months, and am
really
> impressed at how intelligent and insightful his writings are.
However, I
> have to say that I have yet to feel anything resembling 3pure bliss
> consciousness2 (PBC) and it9s kind of bumming me out. I9m getting
a lot out
> of the lessons (i.e., it9s had a very calming effect in my life),
but when I
> read about how other practitioners are feeling everything from
tingling in
> their gut to throbbing in their big toe, I have to wonder if I9m
missing
> something. Needless to say, I9m not at the kechari stage yet, but
I9d love
> to hear from some of you about your initial experiences. Namely,
what is
> PBC? Will I know it if/when I experience it? Do some people just
never
> experience it? How much weight should one give to the physical
sensations
> as signs of progress?
>
> Thanks for your responses. I9ve enjoyed reading your discussions
on
> marriage.
>
>
>
> meg
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 
 1111 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:06pm
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    I can't reply any better than Victor and David, but I'll try expressing it differently, giving
you and other readers along a third "flavor" of the same ice cream...

1. AYP is making you feel good.

Really, I should just note that and close my reply. Case closed. It's really all that needs to
be said. I don't know how old you are, but at a certain point (and it doesn't take long) most
people give up on feeling good. All
the heartbreaks, grinds, disappointments, and dashed hopes accumulate and turn life into
a drudge. Spiritual practices can help restore youthful vibrancy and happiness, but they've
got to work fast enough to at least keep up with the downslope. AYP works exceptionally
fast, which is why you're feeling better from practicing it. And that's good enough. It won't
awake your inner capacity
for ecstacy in a snap (as Victor says, most of us have been working on ourselves for
decades...though it'd have happened much faster and less bumpily if we had AYP from the
get-go).

Mind you if you did all the AYP practices 17 hours per day, it
would happen a lot faster, but it'd also leave you burnt to a cinder. You're not only
working up re: your ability
to experience higher energies, you're ALSO working up re: your ability to handle them!
You're feeling good and calm. Very few people can say that. I'd say to you: enjoy it. That's
what you can handle right now. When you can handle more, AYP will ignite more. And (this
is the important part): it feels good the whole ride. A little is good. More is good. Lots is
good. I despise this cliched phrase, but it really is "all good". Enjoy the ride and don't
sweat your position on the road map. If it starts feeling less good, or you plateau forever
and ever, you need to tinker with your practice (take on more or back off). You're like a
train conductor; all you have are accelerator and brakes, so use them wisely!

2. If you were talking with a bunch of hatha yogis (you actually are - many of us are long
time asaana practioners, but that's not mostly what we're talking about) and we were
discussing doing terribly advanced things like putting our legs behind our heads and
balancing on our forearms and such, and you were just barely able to touch your toes, you
might likewise feel "behind". What I'd say to a beginner hatha yogi is this: you get as much
benefit and opening and pleasure and just plain old
YOGA in wisely, calmly, gracefully working your "edge" (the dividing line between too
much and not enough) by touching your ankles as I get from putting my palms on the
floor. We're all working our edges, we're all opening more and more. It doesn't matter
where you're at...if you're at your edge and I'm at my edge, we're both in the same place.

Same with AYP. Your edge is where you're doing your practices meticulously and creating
inner silence and opening your nervous system as swiftly as possible without
"overdoing".

If you feel comfortable doing so, you may want to
ramp up your practice, and see if you're truly at your edge right now or if you can scale up
without ill effect. If you're self-observant, you'll
quickly see if you were ready or not (for an example of not being ready, see <http://
groups.yahoo.com/group/AYPforum/message/636>). If not, know that you're exactly
where the rest of us are: carefully working our edges. And that for you right now, the prize
in the Cracker Jacks box is the glowy calm. Again, if you're doing AYP faithfully, you're
getting the energy you can handle, and you're handling the energy you're getting.

As to what it will feel like, it's better than drugs. It's a heckuva kick. Real nice buzz. But it
is not, in and of itself, the goal or anything close to it. Ecstasy's actually just a side effect.
Calm (deep calm - i.e. stillness or samadhi) is more important and (for me at least) more
difficult to achieve than ecstasy. So keep on, you're on track! I think you might find this
revelatory: http://www.aypsite.com/plus/258.html



--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, meg  wrote:
> Hello - I9m a brand new member of this group, and am so excited to be part
> of a larger group of people who are into these practices. I9ve been
> following the lessons in Yogani9s book for about 4 months, and am really
> impressed at how intelligent and insightful his writings are. However, I
> have to say that I have yet to feel anything resembling 3pure bliss
> consciousness2 (PBC) and it9s kind of bumming me out. I9m getting a lot out
> of the lessons (i.e., it9s had a very calming effect in my life), but when I
> read about how other practitioners are feeling everything from tingling in
> their gut to throbbing in their big toe, I have to wonder if I9m missing
> something. Needless to say, I9m not at the kechari stage yet, but I9d love
> to hear from some of you about your initial experiences. Namely, what is
> PBC? Will I know it if/when I experience it? Do some people just never
> experience it? How much weight should one give to the physical sensations
> as signs of progress?
>
> Thanks for your responses. I9ve enjoyed reading your discussions on
> marriage.
>
>
>
> meg
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 
 1115 From: "Dave Moore" <riptiz@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:50am
Subject: Re: pure bliss consciousness???  riptiz
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    Hi,
In actual fact the burnout that you speak of is signs of cleansing
and purification of the body. This is a natural cleansing that
occurs when you are doing energy work just as one gets a healing
crisis from receiving healing from someone.Normally the symptoms
would not be a problem if you were doing simply Hatha or say Tai Chi
as the purifying effects are not as fast, although some can
experience this.A friend of a friend was experiencing tingling
sensations during Hatha sessions but her teacher could not explain
them so she stopped training as it frightened her.Unfortunately her
teacher was not as knowledgable as she should have been which is
often the case for many yoga teachers.Many people think yoga is
about tying yourself in knots and improving physical health and know
little about the spiritual side.Using the Kundalini Maha Yoga system
the cleansing effects are a regular occurence because the practice
has such a fast effect on the body so one needs to receive guidance
along the way. I found with TM that I experienced cleansing also
after the initial bliss but it all depends on how your system
cleanses and in what condition it is.
L&L
dave
 
 
 
 1116 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 0:34pm
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    Hi Dave,


I'm a little curious about Kundalini Maha Yoga which I think you
have mentioned in all of your posts. Does it follow the pattern of
open teaching, (as Yogani's does) or is it the more traditional
closed teaching pattern, given strictly on an initiation-only basis?

>Using the Kundalini Maha Yoga system
> the cleansing effects are a regular occurence because the practice
> has such a fast effect on the body so one needs to receive
guidance
> along the way.

Actually, when cleansing gets really fast, that's often one of the
times when guidance is *most* needed. That's one of the reasons
that this board is here. The very openness of this school (AYP) is
based on the idea that the openness itself makes guidance more
freely available, higher quality, and stimulates the inner guru to
provide more.

I found with TM that I experienced cleansing also
> after the initial bliss but it all depends on how your system
> cleanses and in what condition it is.

Yup, I found the same --- different cleaning agents often work
better in different parts of the house --- the best for the pots is
not necessarily the best for the windows. Yogani has put together
the 'top gun' techniques so, as you become more advanced in your
work you get a sense of what to put more emphasis on. All the good
techniques that TM teaches are available here, BTW, without the
hefty fees.

Blessings,

-David
 
 
 
 1119 From: "Dave Moore" <riptiz@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:19pm
Subject: Re: pure bliss consciousness???  riptiz
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    Hi David,
I only got as far as using the meditation and alternate nostril
pranayams plus a few asanas when I went on a w/end retreat.I never
advanced further than that although within KMY it is much simpler
than TM.
If you mean initiation as in Shaktipat then it is not necessary to
recieve shaktipat to start within the KMY system but of course you
need a guru.As far as the mantras go you need initiation in them
because they contain the energy of the siddhas which makes them very
powerful.Don't be misled by the TM siddha program because it is in
name only and not as some may think a path to becoming a siddha.In
fact the Maharishi is not a siddha or fully realised although he has
done much good to make others aware of spirituality.I paid #35 to
learn the TM program in 1976 and it now costs #1200 here in the
UK.All the teachings and initiations I have received in KMY have
been given freely by my guru.I have only paid for my trip to India
to recive shaktipat from our satguru in Jan 05.
Basically within the KMY system you are given a mantra which you use
for meditation and for japa and quite often that is enough for many
people depending on how much work you put in.The beauty of being
initiated with the mantras is that you then have psychic protection
from the guru and after shaktipat you have a permanent connection
with our satguru.There are many mantras and not have all the same
purpose.Normally you are given one for meditation, later the
specific guru mantra, bija akshars(seed mantras for individual
chakra work)and after shaktipat the butta shuddi mantra for
cleansing and purification.It is imperative to receive guidance
within this system as the progress is rapid and cleansing symptoms
are definetaly experienced.Obviously not all want to go this way and
even with this system it takes many years of daily hard work to make
serious progress towards enlightenment.Although enlightenment is the
ultimate aim, it is the benefits along the way that most of us will
only ever experience.To put this in persective, guruji told us that
within the last 500 yrs there have barely been 100 people recieved
the grace of enlightenment.At this moment in time there is no one in
the Himalayas fully enlightened and only a few in India.
L&L
dave
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / is marriage predestined?

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:46:59 AM »

1097 From: "manchalas80" <manchalas80@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:25pm
Subject: is marriage predestined?  manchalas80
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    Is it true that who we will marry is written down? I am currently in
india and have been trying hard to get married. In india it is
arranged marriages that are common. I have been trying hard to get
married since the past 2-3 months but am not able to succeed. With one
girl it almost came till engagement (the ring ceremony before marriage
confirming the marriage) and got cancelled there.

I started feeling probably marriages are written down in our destiny
before we are born.

What do you guys think on this?
 
 
 
 1098 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:29pm
Subject: Re: is marriage predestined?  vic
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    I don't know where it would be written? perhaps in some cosmic server somewhere?
I don't know about India and I have been married twice so don't know if that is good or bad but.....
I don't believe in making it a goal to get married and then trying to find someone to fill that goal. I beleive that it is about the relationship between two people first, to feel how they are together and if there is spark and chemistry. Then to see if you have similar goals. For me the only reason i would suggest marriage is if you want children. Otherwise at least here in the states you can have a wonderful relationship without needing to marry. then after some time of being together you can choose to marry. that is how I see it. Also you are perhaps not ready deep inside for marriage yet, perhaps you want sex or companionship but may not be ready for family life and women can sense it. I would not even THINK about marriage until you have a clear idea of how you would raise a family, financially and emotionally. Otherwise marriage is just a bondage of suffering. get your money and career in order first. date some women, enjoy sex, play. Then get married when you are truly ready.
When you are truly ready it will be easy.

manchalas80 <manchalas80@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it true that who we will marry is written down? I am currently in
india and have been trying hard to get married. In india it is
arranged marriages that are common. I have been trying hard to get
married since the past 2-3 months but am not able to succeed. With one
girl it almost came till engagement (the ring ceremony before marriage
confirming the marriage) and got cancelled there.

I started feeling probably marriages are written down in our destiny
before we are born.

What do you guys think on this?








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 1100 From: SHANTA SAWH <shantasawh@yahoo.ca>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 0:17pm
Subject: Re: is marriage predestined?  shantasawh
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    Hi Guys,
I am interested on this topic becos I myself am at a loss for words on this matter.
I am married for a long time --37-yrs now, WE have three grown children, I have been getting concerned about my daughters meeting good parteners for marriage. So far nothing is in the horison. WE are a very strong family with good background . I am puzzled.
Let's talk some more,since everything is in place for marriage, a good secure job, beautiful, good family values and tradition and ready for marriage.What next is needed, and I am not the only one in this position. Why is this so?
I think we have to shift our focus alittle and see how to help our daughters see that there is securit in a successful marriage if they work at it.
Like to hear from you all.
Shanta
victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't know where it would be written? perhaps in some cosmic server somewhere?
I don't know about India and I have been married twice so don't know if that is good or bad but.....
I don't believe in making it a goal to get married and then trying to find someone to fill that goal. I beleive that it is about the relationship between two people first, to feel how they are together and if there is spark and chemistry. Then to see if you have similar goals. For me the only reason i would suggest marriage is if you want children. Otherwise at least here in the states you can have a wonderful relationship without needing to marry. then after some time of being together you can choose to marry. that is how I see it. Also you are perhaps not ready deep inside for marriage yet, perhaps you want sex or companionship but may not be ready for family life and women can sense it. I would not even THINK about marriage until you have a clear idea of how you would raise a family, financially and emotionally. Otherwise marriage is just a bondage of suffering. get your money and career in order first. date some women, enjoy sex, play. Then get married when you are truly ready.
When you are truly ready it will be easy.

manchalas80 wrote:
Is it true that who we will marry is written down? I am currently in
india and have been trying hard to get married. In india it is
arranged marriages that are common. I have been trying hard to get
married since the past 2-3 months but am not able to succeed. With one
girl it almost came till engagement (the ring ceremony before marriage
confirming the marriage) and got cancelled there.

I started feeling probably marriages are written down in our destiny
before we are born.

What do you guys think on this?








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 1102 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:18pm
Subject: RE: is marriage predestined?  paula_youmans
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    Hi Shanta,

Do you only have Daughters or are they the only ones you are concerned
about? Why is not being married a concern at all?

I'm not sure if this is a cultural difference, but I noticed love is nowhere
on your list.I see good job, good family values .everything but love.

Personally, I stay with someone because I love them..my wonderful family
instilled enough values and confidence that I thankfully don't require other
people to keep me secure.

Are you daughters not whole? Are they not enough, all on their own? In your
mind, are they not secure without a husband?

Why do you need them to get married so badly?

What is a good partner for marriage and why have you taken this upon
yourself to decide for you daughters?

I think I am more puzzled then you are.



Paula







Hi Guys,
I am interested on this topic becos I myself am at a loss for words on this
matter.
I am married for a long time --37-yrs now, WE have three grown children, I
have been getting concerned about my daughters meeting good parteners for
marriage. So far nothing is in the horison. WE are a very strong family with
good background . I am puzzled.
Let's talk some more,since everything is in place for marriage, a good
secure job, beautiful, good family values and tradition and ready for
marriage.What next is needed, and I am not the only one in this position.
Why is this so?
I think we have to shift our focus alittle and see how to help our daughters
see that there is securit in a successful marriage if they work at it.
Like to hear from you all.
Shanta













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 1099 From: "Melissa" <mm7810@gmail.com>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 0:30pm
Subject: Re: is marriage predestined?  mm78102002
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    Hi -

I think in *some* instances it is predestined, whereas for the
majority of us, it is a choice. That is where free will comes
in to play. Life is about choices and we can make good choices
or bad choices. This will partially determine where we end up
spiritually when this life is over. I am not saying marriage is
good or bad; it depends on the person and circumstances. I would
focus on developing yourself as a person first, then worry about
marriage. Well, there's my two cents - hope that helps! ;-)

Melissa

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> Is it true that who we will marry is written down? I am currently in
> india and have been trying hard to get married. In india it is
> arranged marriages that are common. I have been trying hard to get
> married since the past 2-3 months but am not able to succeed. With
one
> girl it almost came till engagement (the ring ceremony before
marriage
> confirming the marriage) and got cancelled there.
>
> I started feeling probably marriages are written down in our destiny
> before we are born.
>
> What do you guys think on this?
 
 
 
 1114 From: Isolde Manasa <babalon_v@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:26pm
Subject: Re: is marriage predestined?  babalon_v
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    Why don't you consult an astrologer in India? Jyotish
is absolutely amazing in its accuracy. I have had
Indian astrologers tell me absolutely accurate things
about myself that they couldn't possibly have been
guessing at! It is no use trying to push the marriage
thing if it isn't time yet. The astrologer can tell
you when would be an auspicious time for it, and
whether your husband is a good match.
Lilith M.

--- manchalas80 <manchalas80@yahoo.com> wrote:


---------------------------------
Is it true that who we will marry is written down? I
am currently in
india and have been trying hard to get married. In
india it is
arranged marriages that are common. I have been trying
hard to get
married since the past 2-3 months but am not able to
succeed. With one
girl it almost came till engagement (the ring ceremony
before marriage
confirming the marriage) and got cancelled there.

I started feeling probably marriages are written down
in our destiny
before we are born.

What do you guys think on this?
 
 
 

88

Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Yogani's Paperback novel is out!

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:46:10 AM »

1095 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:39pm
Subject: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!  obsidian9999
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    I asked Yogani to tell me as soon as the Wilder paperback came out. He
did. -->

>> The Wilder paperback is on Amazon today! See the updated books page.
Unlike the Amazon site says, the book has been released and is
available. It is print-on-demand [...] The ship time will be a week or
so until [ it is stocked for 24-hour shipping]. I'll be putting a
notice in the main lessons (widest audience) in a few days.
 
 
 
 1101 From: "G. LeBlanc" <gleblanc@turningpointonline.info>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:53pm
Subject: Re: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!  gregacu108
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    I was wondering what the general consensus was about combining the AYP's with practices (Qi Gong, Zazen, etc...) from other traditions concurrently?

Thanks

Greg
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Subject: [AYPforum] Yogani's Paperback novel is out!


I asked Yogani to tell me as soon as the Wilder paperback came out. He
did. -->

>> The Wilder paperback is on Amazon today! See the updated books page.
Unlike the Amazon site says, the book has been released and is
available. It is print-on-demand [...] The ship time will be a week or
so until [ it is stocked for 24-hour shipping]. I'll be putting a
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 1103 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:43pm
Subject: Re: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!  obsidian9999
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    Hi Greg,

I think it's in the spirit of AYP to do intelligent experimentation
and mix and match what works well.

I'd add a few qualifiers to that though. One is to be particularly
careful in your experimentation if you actually modify a particular
practice technique; it's one thing to use a non-AYP technique at a
different time in your practice to your AYP technique (and I think
this is what you mean by 'concurrent'; it's another different level
of modification to actually modify an AYP technique by adding another
technique *during* a particular AYP practice (this is another kind
of 'concurrent' which I think you don't mean). Neither kind of
modification should be ruled out, but I'd be much more conservative
about adopting the second kind of modification than the first.

If you read the novel, BTW, you'll find the hero doing at some
point a spontaneous slow energetic dance that sounds something like
tai-chi. And a little bit about tai-chi-like exercises here -->

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/80.html

-D


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AYP's with practices (Qi Gong, Zazen, etc...) from other traditions
concurrently?
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:39 PM
> Subject: [AYPforum] Yogani's Paperback novel is out!
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>
> I asked Yogani to tell me as soon as the Wilder paperback came
out. He
> did. -->
>
> >> The Wilder paperback is on Amazon today! See the updated books
page.
> Unlike the Amazon site says, the book has been released and is
> available. It is print-on-demand [...] The ship time will be a
week or
> so until [ it is stocked for 24-hour shipping]. I'll be putting a
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 1105 From: "quickstudy05" <quickstudy05@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:30pm
Subject: Re: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!  quickstudy05
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    Hi:

One thing that is pointed out in the lessons when considering adding
non-AYP practices is to watch out for an inadvertent "doubling up"
effect, especially with pranayamas which are cumulative when
additional breathing methods are applied in the same day. See these
lessons discussing some of the potential symptoms of the doubling up
effect, and offering some tips for self-pacing...

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/203.html
http://www.aypsite.com/plus/219.html

The same doubling up effect can happen doing two or more different
kinds of meditation in one day ... or even with more than two AYP
meditations in one day.


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> I was wondering what the general consensus was about combining the
AYP's with practices (Qi Gong, Zazen, etc...) from other traditions
concurrently?
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:39 PM
> Subject: [AYPforum] Yogani's Paperback novel is out!
>
>
> I asked Yogani to tell me as soon as the Wilder paperback came
out. He
> did. -->
>
> >> The Wilder paperback is on Amazon today! See the updated books
page.
> Unlike the Amazon site says, the book has been released and is
> available. It is print-on-demand [...] The ship time will be a
week or
> so until [ it is stocked for 24-hour shipping]. I'll be putting a
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>
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 1104 From: "G. LeBlanc" <gleblanc@turningpointonline.info>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!  gregacu108
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    Thanks, and your right I did not mean modifying the AYP's as they are presented. I was referring to doing other kinds of practices at a diffrent time of the day, such as practices from Zen Buddhism, Qi Gong, Bardon, Martial Arts and Walewski.

Thanks

G.
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Hi Greg,

I think it's in the spirit of AYP to do intelligent experimentation
and mix and match what works well.

I'd add a few qualifiers to that though. One is to be particularly
careful in your experimentation if you actually modify a particular
practice technique; it's one thing to use a non-AYP technique at a
different time in your practice to your AYP technique (and I think
this is what you mean by 'concurrent'; it's another different level
of modification to actually modify an AYP technique by adding another
technique *during* a particular AYP practice (this is another kind
of 'concurrent' which I think you don't mean). Neither kind of
modification should be ruled out, but I'd be much more conservative
about adopting the second kind of modification than the first.

If you read the novel, BTW, you'll find the hero doing at some
point a spontaneous slow energetic dance that sounds something like
tai-chi. And a little bit about tai-chi-like exercises here -->

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/80.html

-D


--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "G. LeBlanc" <gleblanc@t...> wrote:
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AYP's with practices (Qi Gong, Zazen, etc...) from other traditions
concurrently?
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:39 PM
> Subject: [AYPforum] Yogani's Paperback novel is out!
>
>
> I asked Yogani to tell me as soon as the Wilder paperback came
out. He
> did. -->
>
> >> The Wilder paperback is on Amazon today! See the updated books
page.
> Unlike the Amazon site says, the book has been released and is
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 1106 From: "G. LeBlanc" <gleblanc@turningpointonline.info>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!  gregacu108
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    Cool, thanks for the pointers and precautions.
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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Yogani's Paperback novel is out!


Hi:

One thing that is pointed out in the lessons when considering adding
non-AYP practices is to watch out for an inadvertent "doubling up"
effect, especially with pranayamas which are cumulative when
additional breathing methods are applied in the same day. See these
lessons discussing some of the potential symptoms of the doubling up
effect, and offering some tips for self-pacing...

http://www.aypsite.com/plus/203.html
http://www.aypsite.com/plus/219.html

The same doubling up effect can happen doing two or more different
kinds of meditation in one day ... or even with more than two AYP
meditations in one day.


--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "G. LeBlanc" <gleblanc@t...> wrote:
> I was wondering what the general consensus was about combining the
AYP's with practices (Qi Gong, Zazen, etc...) from other traditions
concurrently?
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> Thanks
>
> Greg
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> I asked Yogani to tell me as soon as the Wilder paperback came
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> >> The Wilder paperback is on Amazon today! See the updated books
page.
> Unlike the Amazon site says, the book has been released and is
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week or
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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Tumo outline

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:45:08 AM »

1093 From: "gregacu108" <gleblanc@turningpointonline.info>
Date: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:09pm
Subject: Tumo outline  gregacu108
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    Thought you all might enjoy this, it is an outline of Tumo from
Teachings and Practices of Tibetan Tantra, By Garma C.C. Chang. I
have found it facinating to see the how the various traditions are
similar and different.

Greg

Dumo (Inner Heat practice from the Six Yoga's of Naropa)
* Conservative and basic version-practiced 4x/day

Visualize the Emptiness or Hollowness of the body
Pray to Guru for success
Assume Asana
Visualize hollow body in different sizes, from a mustard seed to the
universe

Visualize the Main Psychic-Nerves (Nadis)
Visualize the Central Channel, from four fingers below navel to top
of head and curving down to yintang. Its color is white on the
outside and red within.
Visualize the other two channels half inch from the center channel.
Color of Right Channel is red slightly tinged with white. Left is
white, slightly tinged with red. The two side channels run from four
fingers below the navel, to the top of the head and curve down to
the two nostrils.
All three channels are hollow, straight, clear and transparent.
Visualize the four cakras in the head, throat, chest and navel.
Visualize the Nadis extending from the cakras throughout the body.
64 up from navel, 8 down from heart, 16 up from throat and 32 down
from head.

Vase Breathing Exercises

Best practiced when breath is even.
Breath of nine blowings - Close left nostril and long exhale through
right. Then inhale and make a short exhale, then a long and gentle
one. Practice three times. Switch and repeat with other nostril and
then with both nostrils. Breathe out all hindrances, sins and
sicknesses.
Vase breathing - Draw gentle, long breath, subtle breath pressing
the air down below the navel and swallow a little saliva with the
air. Now contract the sphincter muscle of the anus slightly and hold
the air at the navel cakra. When the air can be held no longer, take
a short breath to relieve tension, roll the belly muscle three times
and try to hold the breath once more as long as possible. When no
longer possible to hold, raise head slightly and release slowly.
These four processes are called: inhaling, filling, dissolving and
shooting.
When inhaling, visualize the pranas of the five elements being drawn
into the nostrils from about 10 inches away. When filling visualize
the air descending through both channels passing through the
intersection point and entering the central channel and remaining
there. When dissolving visualize the air circulating within the
central channel. When shooting visualize the Tig Le (prana-mind)
shooting up through the central channel and out the head center, do
this once only at the start of a meditation section.
*Gentle vase breathing is recommended for the beginner: Hold air for
short while, release before any strain, then at once draw in another
breath and hold it again. Repeat the gentle vase breathing 8-10
times, making one complete round. Rest for short while and repeat;
prolong holding period gradually and gently (only use nose). If
breath can be held without strain for two minutes the minimum
requirement has been fulfilled, four minutes is average and six
minutes is the heist requirement.

Manipulating the Bindus

Visualize small white drop (like dew drop) the size of a pea,
sparkling but transparent, at the mid-point between the eyebrows.
This drop (Tig Le or Bindu) is the embodiment of the mind; visualize
it until it becomes extremely clear.
While doing vase breathing, visualize the Tig Le ascending to the
upper end of the central channel, during the holding concentrate on
it.
Breathe out and imagine the Tig Le flowing down again to the mid-
point between the eyebrows. Do c. and d. several times.
Take a long breath and push air down to the navel center, at same
time imagine the Tig Le drops down to the navel center through the
central channel like a small iron ball. While holding the breath
concentrate on the Tig, on exhale the Tig Le returns to the head
center via the central channel.
Develop the movement of the Tig Le steadily by first moving it to
the throat center, then the heart center and finally to the navel
center.
After mastering the above the yogi should concentrate on the Tig Le
at a given cakra (especially the navel center) and at the same time
practice the vase breathing 5-7 times. On inhalation the Tig Le
drops down to the lower cakra; when the breath is held it remains in
the center of the cakra. During exhalation it returns to the mid-
point between the eyebrows.
End every meditation with concentration on the mid-point between the
eyebrows.

Bodily Exercises

Use bodily exercises (assumption is Hatha Yoga like practices) to
untie knots in the nadis.
They improve the flow of prana and Tig Le in the nadis and are
rejuvenators to impaired nadis, prana and Tig Le's.
Special attention should be paid to the Six Rotation Exercises of
Naropa, done before and after the Dumo meditation.

Building a good foundation for heat yoga

Practice vase breathing when not to full or to hungry, nor at noon
or midnight. The time is when the breath flows evenly through both
nostrils.
See the Dumo fire at the intersection of the three channels below
the navel (Tanden in Chinese). It is appears like an oval or almond
shaped flame with a sharp and narrow tongue which tapers to a point
like a twisted needle. Reddish brown, intensely hot and undulating,
it can produce heat and bliss in all nadis.
 
 
 

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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Yogani's Novel

« Last post by AYPforum on July 08, 2005, 03:44:34 AM »

1087 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:55pm
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    I see that Yogani's finished his long-awaited novel (see <http://www.geocities.com/
advancedyogapractices/books.html>).

It's presently only available in ebook format. I'll wait for print, myself, but I'm wondering if
anyone's read it yet and if there are any comments?
 
 
 
 1088 From: "yogani99" <yogani99@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:45am
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    Thanks very much for that, Jim.

The paperback ought to start showing up on the Amazon sites any time,
with cover image, description, "search inside," etc. being
added in
the coming weeks. Here are some more links on "The Secrets of Wilder"
novel (from the AYP mirror site):

Books page: http://www.aypsite.com/plus/books.html

Press release: http://www.aypsite.com/pressrelease.html
(more on Yogani here than has been mentioned before)

Books flyer: http://www.aypsite.com/AYP-Books-Flyer.pdf

I am very interested in feedback from AYP readers on the novel, and
hope everyone will do reviews on Amazon. These carry a lot of weight
with visitors to the Amazon book pages.

If you like the novel, please do spread the word. The PR/advertising
budget is pretty slim, so word of mouth will be important if the
world is going to hear about the revealing spiritual adventures of
John Wilder and Devi Duran.

A message similar to this one will be added to the main lessons group
when the paperback appears on Amazon.

Wishing you all the best on your continuing journey!

The guru is in you.

Yogani