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AYPadmin

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marriage and moving
« on: April 24, 2019, 11:03:05 AM »
Chard
239 Posts

Posted - May 25 2017 :  10:26:34 PM 
Hi All,
I wanted to reach out for support about an issue that I feel like is such a delicate matter that is difficult to discuss with people in my life...
So our family is gearing up for a big move to CA. We are excited and ready and we feel called to be in a certain area of CA. Yet, I was born and I've lived where I'm living on the east coast for my entire life aside from college. My family has lived here for 7 generations! There are such deep roots here for me and I feel like this is a major unraveling of my identity. I've been questioning EVERYTHING in my life, including my marriage which I've felt for some time that I've outgrown. I've been with my husband since I was 16 and he feels like a body part of mine. I love him dearly as a person and yet we're just not serving each other anymore if that makes sense... and yet there's such a deep love and attachment which is why I feel I've been continuing in the marriage. Maybe there's an even greater love out there waiting for him and I've realized that I'm holding him back and vice versa. I actually secretly prayed that the greatest love of his life would find him (maybe that's God or another person, who knows)... It feels like everything is unraveling and I've realized that if I'm going to completely rebuild my life I want to place people and things in it that nourish my soul and help propel my spiritual path. Even if I'm single and on that path that's fine too and better than being a in relationship where my soul feels unnourished. I've been quieting down my external commitments lately to really do alot of deep healing work. I've been having a reawakening of kundalini that I have not experienced in 10 years and alot of unravelings/dark nights of the soul -- all good though. I trust the process and know I'm on the right path. I'd greatly appreciate your support and thank you!!

Much Love, Chard



Charliedog
1528 Posts

 Posted - May 26 2017 :  02:53:18 AM 
Dear Chard,

Maybe this sounds a bit harsh. It is time to grow up. Be honest to your husband, your family, and live YOUR truth. it starts with opening up, talk to your husband, share your doubts.
Open your heart, you might be surprised, he could have the same feelings as you for instance. Or you could see him completely different if you both start talking from a deeper level. Sometimes we hide our real face because we are afraid for changes, but everything will change, always, there is no controle.

Love, Strength, Unity




jusmail
India
454 Posts

 Posted - May 26 2017 :  09:22:24 AM 
Yes, talk things over with significant others in your life. Batgap.com has an interview with Regina Dawn Acres which might be of great help.




sunyata
USA
1386 Posts

 Posted - May 26 2017 :  09:49:37 AM 
May you find the answers in Stillness.




BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1462 Posts

 Posted - May 26 2017 :  1:53:28 PM 
Hi Chard, welcome back!

I second Sunyata. I would also say: Take your time. Kundalini awakenings can be unsettling events. Whatever decision you make, give it enough time to make sure it is the best possible outcome for everyone involved.

All the best




lalow33
USA
929 Posts

 Posted - May 26 2017 :  2:00:23 PM 
Hi Chard,

Have you heard of The Work? It's a self-inquiry tool by Byron Katie. I think you could use many of your statements in your post. It might give you further clarity.




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - May 27 2017 :  2:23:04 PM 
Thank you all so much! I'm reminded how helpful this forum has been in just allowing me to let go and say what I need to say without a mask! You are so right CharlieDog, I need to just grow up lol! I was just listening to Karen Drucker's music and she says "leave the shore and float into the uknown" and that's just what I'm becoming ready to do. I will check out those resources- that you all! I'm finding that writing and blogging has been especially helpful in just being able to transmute all these difficult emotions into something helpful to others. Being of service to others in general has been very very helpful as well as dancing, energy healing and meditation of course. I've started speaking the truth more to my husband as well and we'll just see how things unfold... Thank you again! Chard




sunyata
USA
1386 Posts

 Posted - May 27 2017 :  9:12:29 PM 
  to you, Chard. You are right, things will unfold exactly like they are supposed to. Continue on the path, the rest will be taken care of.




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Jun 12 2017 :  12:23:28 PM 
Thank you Jusmail and Lalow33 for those resources. Thank you for the collective support of your wise souls during this challenging time in my life.

So I feel like I have naturally (like a leaf falling from a tree) emotionally and soulfully shed the snake-skin of my marriage. I feel we are at different vibrational frequencies and I just feel like I can't fake a sense of wanting to be intimate with him that's just not there. Frankly, I'm just shocked and saddened that this is where I'm at in my marriage and it feels scary too. Yet, on the other hand, there are so many cords attaching me to him- kids reactions, selling house, my very close relationship with his whole family especially my mother in law, the deep love and devotion I feel for him as a person, the devastation for both of an undoing of a marriage, my family/friend's reactions, the scary unknown future, this huge transition across the country, etc. Yet the biggest and strongest cord is the spiritual vow I made. When I make a real commitment to something or someone I'm steadfast in that. I made a spiritual vow to be married with him for life. I feel like undoing a marriage is dishonoring that commitment I made to God, myself and my husband. Yet at this same time, I feel that God has a higher purpose for my life (I can't quite see now) and I feel that being married to my husband is holding me back from really zooming on my spiritual path with God. I feel like remaining in my marriage is hurting my own soul. So I'm just sitting in the soup of it all. I would really love to hear feedback on this delicate matter. Aghh! Thank you!
Chard




sunyata
USA
1386 Posts

 Posted - Jun 12 2017 :  2:55:39 PM
Hi Chard,

My heart goes out to you. Difficult decisions to be made. I wish I could offer you some advice but nothing is coming up. All I can send your way is love & hugs.




BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1462 Posts

 Posted - Jun 12 2017 :  4:40:27 PM 
Hi Chard

First, let me say that none of the thoughts I'm about to share here is meant to sway your decision either way. I just feel there are a couple of points that you might need to clarify with yourself before you come to a conclusion.

quote:
Originally posted by Chard
I feel that being married to my husband is holding me back from really zooming on my spiritual path with God.

In what way is your marriage holding you back? Are you talking about a practical hindrance, or is it an emotional block that you are speaking of?

Of course our relationships will change with us, as we change and grow. They need to keep up, otherwise, as you have pointed out, they become "old skins". When a marriage feels 'stuck in the past', I think the really important point to clarify is this: Is your mental image of the marriage that is 'stuck', making it difficult for your to see how the relationship can transform and grow? Or is it that your husband feels unable to accept/live with the person you are today?

Best wishes to you. I hope you will make a decision that you will be happy with in the years to come.
Edited by - BlueRaincoat on Jun 12 2017 4:42:04 PM




lalow33
USA
929 Posts

 Posted - Jun 12 2017 :  7:56:52 PM 
Best wishes, Chard.




jusmail
India
454 Posts

 Posted - Jun 12 2017 :  8:40:14 PM 
Erin Pavlina had posted this a while ago on her website. Thought this might help you. She and Steve were an ideal couple but had to part ways on friendly terms.

1. Everyone?s path is different. Don?t assume you know how people should walk their
paths. You don?t. Instead of advice, help people see their options.
2. No one knows the whole truth. As you learn and study, take the pieces that resonate
with you and throw the rest out. No one knows it all. However, everyone has something
to share that is of value.
3. Open your mind to other possibilities. Once you decide what is, you forever
close the door on what may be. Stay open minded. New truths are just beyond the
closed door.
4. You can?t save anyone. It?s not your job or your responsibility. Just be a
beacon and let those who want to walk through your light do so of their own free
will.
5. You?re not here to change the world. The world will change by your presence.
Make your presence positive.
6. Don?t give your power to anyone. You are the author of your own life. When
you give someone else the pen, you give them the power to change your story. But
you?re the one who has to live it.
7. Learn how to be a vibrational match for your desires. Do not hope, pray, or
wish for what you desire. Instead be in the vibration of knowing what it feels like
for your desire to be a totally normal part of your life.
8. Love and gratitude are extremely high vibrations. Learn how to call upon them
at will. One person walking the planet in a state of love and gratitude balances
more than a hundred walking in fear.
9. Be kind to yourself. Everyone has moments they regret. Learn the lesson, shrug,
and keep walking. Don?t drag your past with you into the future.
10. Don?t judge others. You don?t know what kind of life they?ve had, and you don?t
know what lessons they?ve learned. Everyone is entitled to think the way they want
to think. Even if it?s not the way YOU think.
11. You are a divine being, created from Love. You walk in Love, even when you
don?t remember. You will return to Love, even if you don?t think you deserve it.
There is nothing you can do to lose the Love of Source. Nothing.




Charliedog
1528 Posts

 Posted - Jun 13 2017 :  03:53:34 AM
Hi chard,

Wishing you strenght! I could only be honest and can not see your postings in the other forums loose from this one. Love, spirituality, thoughts about life and spirituality, it's all in you. Everyone is a spiritual being, spirituality is not something we do. Is it possible to use the sacred space you talk about in the tantraforums to talk with your husband, tell him your feelings, undo yourself of all you are keeping up?

Me personally, I lived a long time 'keeping up appearances' in my long time marriage and was dreaming of 'how it could be if.......' until I had my sudden k awakening. This happened with another man, who was telling me the truth, he was looked right true me and in me and did not spare me.

I could see in a flash what I did to myself and everyone around. I was taking a lot for granted, also my husband, I didn't see my husband, the man he really was/is, anymore, it where my thoughts about him, in fact I labeled him and life in general. To be completely naked and into the moment is scary and not easy at first, but it's the only way to be you.

Dear chard, this comes to mind 'wherever you go, there you are' 




dv2014
USA
91 Posts

 Posted - Jun 13 2017 :  2:56:54 PM 
quote:
Originally posted by Chard


I feel like undoing a marriage is dishonoring that commitment I made to God, myself and my husband. Yet at this same time, I feel that God has a higher purpose for my life (I can't quite see now) and I feel that being married to my husband is holding me back from really zooming on my spiritual path with God.
Chard


Sorry to hear about your troubles. I can partially identify with such feelings and over the last several years I have sort of reinvented my relationship with my husband. Please be cautious of the several traps of the mind, as we often are tempted to think that there is something bigger somewhere else, whereas in many cases staying right there and then, and slowly growing out of the 'discomfort' is perhaps what we may have to endure through. If your mind tells 'going away' will bring you more peace and happiness - please think again.

You said your 'soul feels unnourished in this relationship' - of course as a spiritual person you know that the ultimate nourishment is within, and no relationship will ever nourish you to your content. All we can do is nourish ourselves through spiritual practices and give away a little to our relationships - as they say, relationships are always about 'giving'.

Sorry if I sounded preachy :-) just wanted to bring up a few points that stood out to me, in case they would be helpful in your decision making. Of course I don't know what you are going through or how 'stuck' you feel in the current relationship. Let your inner voice guide you through this stage in life. Wishing you good luck and strength 
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AYPadmin

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Re: marriage and moving
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 10:56:07 AM »
Chard
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 Posted - Jun 11 2019 :  01:13:32 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
Hi All, it?s been awhile since I?ve updated this thread and what I love about the forum is that I have these archived entries where I can see my own spiritual growth and changes throughout the years and it?s been always been a way for me to feel connected to my soul with only one person out there knowing my identity.

In terms of my marriage...It?s becoming less about am I going to ?save? this marriage or ?break? this marriage (words that society uses to talk about marriage) and more about how can we as a family harmoniously restructure our family in a way that serves me, my husband and our children. I?ve been so afraid of change- but everything is always changing all the time. I?ve realized that I can never get a ?divorce? or have a ?broken home? or ?separate? from a man I?ve loved for nearly 25 years who I call my soulmate. Those words do not serve me or resonate. However, the structure of marriage with my husband is no longer serving me, or him. It?s like a pair of pants that I tell myself and society tells me that should fit, but they don?t. I can, however, move in the direction of conscious uncoupling and harmoniously co-parenting. I?m committed to harmony, and harmony in our family unit... looking like my husband (or ?was-band!?) living in different homes and us functioning more like friends and slowly unraveling the delicate label of marriage. I realize I need to create a new template for our family around this uncoupling process. Divorce has so many negative associations. I told my husband I am devoted to him and he is my family, and yet I said I can no longer have sex with him or wish to remain married to him, or share my body and life with him in the same way. It?s a betrayal to my heart and soul to share my body with someone with whom my soul is not connected. I may be celibate for the rest of my life but I cannot be untrue to soul anymore. It?s not about anyone else, it?s about me and my integrity with my soul. I?ve had more peace in my heart now that we haven?t slept together in the same room or had sex for maybe 6 wks. Yet, I feel this may not be an easy road at all for me. I?ve had to consider that I may never have sex again because im not after casual sex. I?m going to have to face my loneliness on a lot of levels. I?ve had frequent sex with the same one person for 23 years. Some couples stop having sex after kids but we?ve always had been a healthy sex life.

So there are losses and change that I?m acknowledging that that I feel. My husband is looking for an apartment. It?s been an emotional roller coaster but I feel good though that we?ve been supportive and even telling the kids that we are as a family going to have two homes. I believe harmony is possible here. I only want to create good karma with my husband. I also am really using this time to dedicate to healing from this relationship and looking at my side of the street. Anything can become a spiritual practice depending on intention including this uncoupling process. To the outside world, what I?m doing may seem ridiculous but my soul is just telling me to trust and I?m on the right path.

I?m getting support in my life- doing my meditation practice, seeing a good therapist and attending my recovery meetings and doing good self care. I do ask for extra prayers and supportive words right now. Love, Chard
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Charliedog
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 Posted - Jun 11 2019 :  03:50:42 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Charliedog's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
We have to walk this path alone Chard. Only we can find out what is best for us and all involved, by taking steps, one by one, like you do. Not easy, it takes courage.

Love and Light to you and your family. 
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sunyata
USA
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 Posted - Jun 11 2019 :  07:27:39 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
You're a strong woman, Chard! Thank you for your authentic sharing. Our heart and gut always knows the best. You and your family will be in my Samyama.

Much Love and Hugs.
Edited by - sunyata on Jun 11 2019 07:27:59 AM
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Chard
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 Posted - Jun 15 2019 :  12:18:24 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
Than you CD and Suntaya, your words feel comforting right now. I want to face these rainbow of emotions with integrity. I know how easy it is to want to shy away from difficult emotions. But I know the only way is taking one day at a time and just allowing myself the grace to be exactly where I?m at in every moment. For I know that anything left unresolved in this relationship shall carry through for me in any future relationship that God wills for me.

I heard the saying today ?why cut something that can be untied.? I shall do my part to gently untie this relationship and I?m even creating the intention with my husband of experiencing an even more fulfilling or close relationship as friends. I believe that?s possible. Yet I don?t doubt I will feel anything less than a downpour of grief.
This feels so hard...and to have the two children we are mutually caring for. I mean how can you separate from the father of your children. You can?t because you are always connected like you are hopping through life in a potato sack together! If we don?t cooperate together we trip and fall down. Oy vey! Thank you to this community for a safe place to share authentically always when I need it. Appreciate the supportive feedback. Thank you! love, C
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Blanche
USA
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 Posted - Jun 15 2019 :  06:26:22 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Blanche's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
Hi Chad,

Wishing you strength and wisdom in this challenging time. Of course, everything we do is for the love of the Higher Self, the Divine, the Absolute, the Great Mystery. We love our children because of That, we love our friends because of That, all we love is for the love of That. We fall in love because some people have the window of their soul open for us to That. We might think we are in love with a person, but we have just caught a glimpse or a good view of That when we looked in someone's eyes. And That is in everyone, It is in you, and It falls in love with Itself over and over again.
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sunyata
USA
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 Posted - Jun 15 2019 :  09:03:36 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Chard

Than you CD and Suntaya, your words feel comforting right now. I want to face these rainbow of emotions with integrity. I know how easy it is to want to shy away from difficult emotions. But I know the only way is taking one day at a time and just allowing myself the grace to be exactly where I?m at in every moment. For I know that anything left unresolved in this relationship shall carry through for me in any future relationship that God wills for me.


Beautiful.

As they say, this journey is very personal. Listen to the Stillness and that will guide you.

In honoring our humanness,our divinity is enlivened even more. As Yogani says being divine human.

We are always here for you. Much Love & Hugs.
Edited by - sunyata on Jun 15 2019 09:08:35 AM
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Dogboy
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Chard
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 Posted - Jun 18 2019 :  10:44:54 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
Thank you dear friends...I appreciate all your responses!C
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lalow33
USA
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 Posted - Jun 19 2019 :  8:03:53 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
Hey Chard,

I'm going through a divorce, currently. I feel ya. If ya ever need to talk, let me know.

AYPadmin

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Re: marriage and moving
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2020, 11:51:27 AM »
Chard
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Posted - Oct 03 2019 :  01:52:06 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Get a Link to this Reply  Delete Reply
Hi All, I wanted to check back in...so needless to say my husband decided he wants to remain in the home and not be the one to move out. It?s interesting cause I had an energy healing session a few months ago and the healer said that she could see that I would be the one to move out. I disagreed fervently at the time. Now I?m ok with it...and somehow I?m ok with leaving the home as it is apart from my clothes and a few sentimental items. I truly love my home and yet I?m ready for a fresh start. And so I?ve been looking for homes nearby and although it feels very scary on so many levels, at the same time it feels authentic. I feel good about how he and I are walking through this process and everyday I feel it is an opportunity to practice kindness and generosity in a challenging process. Harmonious uncoupling is truly is a spiritual practice. Everyday living in a home with a man where there?s no workability and with whom I?m uncoupling has been challenging daily. There are so many ups and downs- grief, adjustment, layers of changes that are pending. The impulse is to recoil and want to gear up for battle and yet what an opportunity it is to practice kindness and generosity in new ways each day. I?m learning and growing so much. I feel like I?m pioneering a new way to go through this process. I?m watching myself in the stages of grief and it?s kind of like birth. Just feeling cocoonlike and quiet and feeling the contractions that come in waves and then the pushing stage (action stage). I feel like I?m entering the action stage. I looked at an apartment today that my kids and I like...we?ll see...but I?m ready to take action. I cannot see what is a head of me. But I just know that where I am needs to shift. The kids are doing alright...they understand that mama and dada love each other deeply but that we are growing and changing in different ways and need more space to grow in ways that are important to us. I haven?t really used the word divorce at all, cause it feels like a different process. We still enjoy family time together but in a new way. (I?ve completed shed all physical attraction to him). Kids get these things better than adults. Kids are naturally in a state of harmony and don?t have the distinction of separation. They know deep down everything is ok. It?s all going to be ok, I know it. I?m actually writing another children?s book on the idea of harmonious uncoupling to support children. I even decided to leave my agency work at the end of the month (which has been heavy and draining work and I?m just ready to shed it) to solely do my private practice work. I know good things are coming. I trust. And yet I?m on the cusp of taking these huge leaps of faith and taking actions without seeing the whole picture. I?m really more and more honoring my soul and acting from that place.
Thanks for listening...this has been a great place for me to spontaneously share and hear my words echoed back to me. Love to hear words of encouragement and support. Love always, C
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Dogboy
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quote:
I know good things are coming. I trust.

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Charliedog
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Chard
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Hi All, it?s been a while since I?ve posted but I?d like to share updates as this community has been so helpful to me especially the past few years through the marriage ending process for me...
So I moved to my own condo in mid Dec and I feel like the separation/moving out process has been a spiritual practice in its own right. I feel like I left well though...and I know that when relationships don?t end well they don?t really end. So I made it a point of treating the previous home like a temple and spent days and weeks deep cleaning and repairing household things and beautifying it. It was a beautiful process of two people who are evolving into family partners and out of a romantic coupleship. We cried, even with the kids. We let them be witness to it all, to real life. Two people who?ve loved each other for nearly 25 years evolving and allowing each other space to grow in separate ways. We told the kids the truth...we are still a family unit but that we are very different people giving each other space to grow and do more of the things we value. It?s interesting ...kids get it much easier than adults. The kids have adjusted seemlessly as well! I keep asking my 10 yr old how are your feeling about the two homes (we call them the peanut butter and the jelly home so they feel that we are connected) and my he?s said ?mama, you don?t need to keep asking me how I?m feeling! I?m just doing great- no other feelings!!? Lol! We had probably the most peaceful Christmas I can remember with a lot of family time with my (ex)husband and my family and his family and have been still doing some family time together during the week which the kids really appreciate. While at the same time that?s the overall picture sounds like a dream situation and in many ways it has been...it?s been VERY painful too and stressful too. I chose to leave the previous home intact rather than splitting up the house items and although my husband got the better end of the deal it was a conscious choice - I just wanted to leave with full generosity (plus I thought it would be best for the kids) and trust that God would take care of me and help me to create my new life... and that?s what?s happening! Somehow my condo is being furnished despite my leaving my steady income at my agency to build my vision just two months ago. People have swooped down to help...a friend gifted me $2000 randomly, recovery friends have some done free handyman work...and I?ve been become best friends with Home Depot and power tools! I still feel buried in the transition process but overall I know I?m honoring my heart and soul and there feels like an inner spaciousness as I?ve been shedding an unworkable relationship that I?ve held onto for years. I cannot believe all the growth and shedding shedding shedding...
I?m grateful to be able to dip my head back into this cherished community of fellow spiritual travelers. Thank you for your support and love always!C

AYPadmin

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Re: marriage and moving
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2020, 11:51:42 AM »
Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Jun 14 2017 :  5:48:42 PM
Thank you all beautiful souls for your feedback. This all is so delicate and to the core for me. I'm not sure how much I can really respond right now to all your feedback aside from saying I shall let it all marinade. Any and all feedback is helpful, thank you. Ultimately I know it's about trusting my own heart/ inner wisdom and moving from that place. When I live from that place, my life always flows and God takes care of me and I know I'm where I'm meant to be. Joy is such an indicator that I'm in the right place. I'm so present to that as I'm sitting in the city we are to be moving to looking for housing and feel just butterflies and rainbows in my heart knowing I'm meant to be here! To be continued...C




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Jul 20 2017 :  10:25:01 PM
Hi Everyone! It's really helpful to bring all you souls with me on this big transition...so leaving my 12 Step Recovery meetings is another BIG deal in this transition of moving across the country that really just hit me last night. I began recovery nearly 11 yrs ago (feels like yesterday though!) and these meetings and the people have been a lifeline. I was visiting where I'll be moving last wk and went to a Recovery meeting there to get myself established in a new group. Luckily, it won't affect my sponsor relationship because we've talked on the phone for years and I only see her a few times a year anyway, but it feels like a huge loss to leave the 12 Step community where I live. I believe (God willing) my sobriety will remain intact but it feels like a hurdle. So my plan is to call people from the new meeting and avail myself as a sponsor to people in the new group for now. I am grateful that the city where I am moving has an abundance of meetings though. Just needed to share that. Thank you for listening! C




Dogboy
USA
1547 Posts

 Posted - Jul 21 2017 :  08:49:09 AM 
  one day at a time




lalow33
USA
929 Posts

 Posted - Jul 23 2017 :  9:52:20 PM
My sister moved out West. She likes this song, maybe you will?

Hold On
Tom Waits
Lyrics
They hung a sign up in our town
"If you live it up, you won't live it down"
So she left Monte Rio, son
Just like a bullet leaves a gun
With her charcoal eyes and Monroe hips
She went and took that California trip
Oh, the moon was gold, her hair like wind
Said, "don't look back, just come on, Jim"
Oh, you got to hold on, hold on
You gotta hold on
Take my hand, I'm standing right here, you gotta hold on
Well, he gave her a dimestore watch
And a ring made from a spoon
Everyone's looking for someone to blame
When you share my bed, you share my name
Well, go ahead and call the cops
You don't meet nice girls in coffee shops
She said, "baby, I still love you"
Sometimes there's nothin' left to do
Oh, but you got to hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on and take my hand
I'm standing right here, you gotta hold on
Well, God bless your crooked little heart
St. Louis got the best of me
I miss your broken China voice
How I wish you were still here with me
Oh, you build it up, you wreck it down
Then you burn your mansion to the ground
Oh, there's nothing left to keep you here
But when you're falling behind in this big blue world
Oh, you've got to hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
Take my hand, I'm standing right here, you gotta hold on
Down by the Riverside motel
It's ten below and falling
By a ninety-nine cent store
She closed her eyes and started swaying
But it's so hard to dance that way
When it's cold and there's no music
Oh, your old hometown's so far away
But inside your head there's a record that's playing
A song called "Hold On", hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
Take my hand, I'm standing right there, you gotta hold on
You gotta hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
Take my hand, I'm standing right there, you gotta hold on
You gotta hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
And take my hand, I'm standing right here, you gotta hold on
You gotta hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
And take my hand, I'm standing right here, you gotta hold on
You gotta hold on
You gotta hold on
You gotta hold on
You gotta hold on
You gotta hold on, baby
You gotta hold on, girl
You gotta hold on
You gotta hold on




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Jul 25 2017 :  10:50:55 PM 
Great song! I just listened to it! I'm holding on somehow lalow33!! A crying mess but I'm holidng on! Just missing everyone I've ever loved in my life right now as I leave my hometown...

I speak Spanish and was reflecting today on the word "hogar." It's a word that means home but doesn't directly translate. It means alot more than home, its actually more like "soul" and in the Latino culture (or at least Colombian culture) it really means that your home is a reflection of your soul and such a deep part of yourself. You're home is your soul and your soul is your home I suppose...So what/where is home anyway is the real question?

On what I will coin my "relocation to CA midlife crisis journey" (I shall at least retain my sense of humor throughout this upheaval, LOL!) I just visited my childhood home a few days ago that I had not visited since we moved from there 20 years ago. It was such a special experience to return as an adult to all these happy and sad childhood memories (so many memories which arise while I meditate). Some of my happiest memories as a child were climbing trees and when I meditate I often visualize this specific tree and it was so special to be able to touch that same tree after so many years. I thought I would feel so sad to return to the house but it was such a sense of completion and something I felt the itch to do before I left. I'm so glad I did.

...and to leave my mom and dad really for the first time on a permanent basis- the grief of that is deeper than I anticipated. The last time I felt this level of upheaval in my life was when I began recovery nearly 11 years ago. I do know that this too shall pass and where I will be 3, 6 mos down the road will be a different place. I can also see the fruits of this experience. I've noticed that my being able to be as upfront and honest as I have been on this forum has actually given me more courage in my business to be able to put myself out there more publicly which I've sort of shyed away from before. So I think courage is something I've been gaining in this process.

Gratefully, I have alot of support around me both here and in my 3D life right now. Thank you all for reading my journal! Much loveC




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Aug 11 2017 :  4:50:57 PM 
Hi All, Just wanted to continue to share my relocation to CA journey...So today we left and are driving cross country -something I've never done before and it feels like an exciting pilgrimage!

It's bittersweet leaving the place I was born and raised with my support network but there's a real sense of peace and completion. I was just reflecting on what's happened in and around me the past few months.
I've faced the loss of leaving courageously and squarely in the eye- shed many tears, experienced resurgence of kundalini/purification/dark nights of the soul, experienced undeniable psychic abilities not previously experienced; somehow cared for my children, reconnected with the AYP forum, experienced the healing and joy of reconnection of an old childhood friend, opened Pandora's box and shared my truth about someone I still love after so many years, been transparent with my husband and shared authentically with him (I still am yet to have clarity on the long term direction of my marriage- I just know we are meant to be together now and support each other through this move). I've laughed hysterically with family and friends, revisited old childhood landmarks, supported my husband and son through their grief of moving, oh yeah, sold our house (well in the process right now, fingers crossed to close sept 15); enjoyed a few going away parties; and this week flagrantly and publicly individually acknowledged the special people in my life.
This life is so short and I never want to miss an opportunity to play full out, regardless of people's judgments of me or the courage it takes- and I can squarely say I have played full out these past few months! I feel like I said what I needed to say and did what I needed to do before leaving.
I feel complete now and the support of loved ones behind me and I feel ready and excited for this new unknown chapter in my life!
I want to acknowledge you all on this forum for continuing to support me through challenging times in my life. I'm grateful to call this community my own. Much love always, Chard
Edited by - Chard on Aug 11 2017 5:01:38 PM




Dogboy
USA
1547 Posts

 Posted - Aug 11 2017 :  10:07:18 PM
Take good care, Godspeed!




Charliedog
1528 Posts

 Posted - Aug 12 2017 :  03:46:00 AM 
Have a smooth journey




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Sep 02 2017 :  4:20:20 PM 
I'd love to get some support...
For those of you who haven't followed the above thread, in short our family moved to CA a few wks ago after moving from place I've lived my entire life. It's lovely here and a wonderful place for our family- I haven't looked over my shoulder once...

Yet I've never felt more alone especially in the evenings. We know one family in the area who is away for the wknd. I'm here alone with my two kids for a month without my husband who in 17 yrs I've never been away from for more than a wk.
I didn't realize how I've never really been alone, even just sleeping alone is lonely (and a little scary actually!). Yet I've also thought I've gotten to the place in my life where I can be with myself and appreciate solitude, especially with small children- solitude is a luxury. I often love being away just myself for the day.

Also in the midst of just moving, my marriage is on the rocks and I feel really unsettled. A lot of questioning of am I with him because I'm afraid to be alone and attached to him, or because we co-parent well and because it's best for the kids etc? I'm just in a lot of pain and confusion (and I feel like I'm also taking on a lot of my husband's pain energetically) and feeling a lot of loneliness. Also my kids at times are feeling needy now with transition as well. It's also been hard to connect w my friends back home because when kids are asleep and I have my time it's too late at night with time difference.
I have been hitting recovery meetings and enjoying playing with my kids outdoors and daytime has been fine but it's mainly evenings.
I could just use some supportive words from this community now. Thank you!
Much love, C
Edited by - Chard on Sep 02 2017 4:31:14 PM



sunyata
USA
1386 Posts

 Posted - Sep 02 2017 :  8:06:25 PM
Dear Chard,

Human beings are resilent. I understand what you are going through. I've been following your posts and you have a joyful outlook. Focus on that and make the best of what life has to offer.

Much Love
Edited by - sunyata on Sep 02 2017 8:06:59 PM



Dogboy
USA
1547 Posts

 Posted - Sep 02 2017 :  8:37:42 PM 
Treat yourself well in this downshift time, eat right, get sleep, give away your troubles through samyama. If your kids are needy, serve them with a lovely smile. If your husband is distant, text him a love poem. If you feel down try to lighten it with breath, or turn your face to the sun and marinate in it. You have a lot of creative tools at your disposal!




parvati9
USA
587 Posts

 Posted - Sep 02 2017 :  10:30:35 PM
Chard
Such sweet advice you are receiving. Probably don't need to remind you that the kind of move you recently made is extremely stressful for your entire family and will perhaps take more time to recover from than you think is required. Remember to put in the effort to stay grounded, triple grounded. If you want to oversleep, that's okay too. Do you have a creative outlet - sketching/ painting, playing a musical instrument, journaling or writing short stories, etc.? Projects for the new house? Is a winter garden feasible, what vegies grow well in your area? Now would be a great time to explore your creative talent or lack thereof. I'm an artist because it gives me joy. Find your joy. Better yet give it a chance to find you, be open to it. Fall will be here soon and what a lovely time of year. Breathe in all that beauty and respond to it as well as you can.

love
parvati



Charliedog
1528 Posts

 Posted - Sep 03 2017 :  03:14:05 AM
Dear Chard,

I agree with all the loving support above.This is a time of stress and change in your life and it is normal to feel uncomfortable and lonely. You all have to settle down and that is not an overnight happening but you already know this.

Maybe keep a short daily journal to let some frustrations go and finish the page with some positives, decorate the page with some doodle or collage work, it doesn't have to be beautiful 

Sending  and strength.




BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1462 Posts

 Posted - Sep 03 2017 :  05:12:36 AM
You are on journey of self-discovery Chard. So much you are learning about yourself!
I understand it feels difficult. I'll add my good wished to those already made by the other respondents. Look after yourself and those around you. You will be so much richer for having been through this experience.




Blanche
USA
543 Posts

 Posted - Sep 03 2017 :  09:46:07 AM
Hi Chard,

Thank you for sharing. Moving to a new place is challenging. It is like coming to a new bon fire. You leave the warmth and light of the old fire, where you were in the middle of the circle of friends, to go to sit by another fire. At the new place, you are at the edge, far away from the center, away from the warmth, light, and friends. The people by the fire are settled, and it takes time (six months or so) to get in the circle.

You do have the children, and they are a great way to meet new people. Maybe you could go regularly to a playground, and meet other parents with children. Public libraries and many museums have programs for children. Look in the local newspaper and online for ideas. Also, plan something for each day, take advantage of the fact that you do not have social obligations, and explore the area. It will keep the kids busy and entertained, and help to manage the loneliness of moving to a new place.

Making some long term plans may help, too, as there will be something to look forward to in the foreseeable future. Maybe I'll see you again at a retreat. Take a look at the AYP retreat at Menla Mountain Retreat next June. Menla is an amazing place, and it supports the Tibet cause. Cristi will come from UK to co-lead. We renegotiated the prices, and got a sponsor, so things are more affordable. Let me know if you have any questions.

Best wishes!
Blanche



Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Sep 05 2017 :  01:52:22 AM 
Thank you all! Your responses are really supportive to me right now during this time.
Sunyata, thanks for "joyous outlook" compliment. That makes me feel joyous to just hear that!
Thanks Dogboy! I've been focusing on eating well, enjoyed the sunshine and jumped in the ocean this wknd, and took your advice and sent my husband a supportive and loving poem. I just want to love myself and him throughout this regardless of the outcome.
Parvati, thank you for those special reminders...I'm going to sign up for classes at a yoga studio here tmrw, I thought I'd buy some clay and start sculpting after kids go to sleep and there's endless outdoor activities here which is great! I got a sitter today and went to energy healer today which I think was helpful too.
Charliedog, you are definitely right, it is to be expected to have these feelings during this time, I just didn't expect such an unraveling on various levels.
Thank you BlueRaincoat, I do agree that I'm sure I'll be richer (hopefully financially too! Haha!) after I come through this experience!!
Thank you Blanche, I love the analogy with the bonfire and great suggestions regarding long term plan.

I'm so grateful to the loving support of this community right now. I'm trying to reach out for all the support available to me to help myself now.
I just pray to God for clarity re my husband and guidance one day at a time and just to know I'm where I'm supposed to be for today. There are times when you just want God/Divine to whisper very clearly in your ear, "You are on the path and where you are meant to be. All is well. Trust and rest in my loving embrace." This is one of those times.
Loads of love to all tonight! Chard

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Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Oct 12 2017 :  11:58:11 PM
Hi All, just wanted to stay connected to this group on my transition journey here...I had a most memorable dream last night about my mom that I felt nudged to share...It was one of the most real dreams I've had and in the dream she even said that i wasn't dreaming- it was like an astral traveling experience. She was waking me up in the morning like when I was child so nurturing to me and I woke up crying when I realized it was a dream. I miss my mom so much.
When I left my parents on the east coast and moved to CA recently a part of me felt like I'm leaving them forever because the thought occurred to me that they will grow older and probably eventually pass away without me living near them and I feel so enormously sad to know that's that's a likely reality.
I've been really honoring my grief and loneliness that comes in waves and just being w it and at the same time there's been moments of joy too. So much of my spiritual journey is about me growing more and more inwardly solid and deepening that self love and seeing how humanly fragile I still am all the while. It helps to share this
I really appreciate hearing your support. It really makes a difference for me at this time.
Thank u all!! Blessings, Chard




Charliedog
1528 Posts

 Posted - Oct 13 2017 :  04:10:14 AM 
Love & Light to you dear Chard 




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Nov 05 2017 :  02:18:24 AM
Thank u CharlieDog!
It continues to be helpful to reach out for support during this big move. Long story short, the transition has been a bit of a drawn out process in terms of physically settling into our new home which has felt unsettling.
With my husband traveling back and forth I was pretty much a single mom for 2 months. I have a new respect for single parents - I?ll say it?s lonely and bitter hard w 2 young often rowdy young boys... and there?s a noticeable shift in the kids? behavior w 2 parents versus one.
I continue to feel unsettled though in my marriage internally (my true heart?s just not in it and I cannot will it to be) and yet I feel a solidity within our family unit and the boys do too when he?s co-parenting w me and at home.
Among many awakenings this year, one of which has been this more outward yearning to do my spiritual work as opposed to feeling very inward and maternal w little babies. It?s like I?ve transitioned to a new stage in my life. I yearn to serve in my professional work and it brings me great joy and purpose and my soul says ?aghh?. My husband is on a totally different plane and cannot appreciate ?all that spiritual stuff.? Perhaps if I were really spiritually advanced it wouldn?t matter who I were married to because I could just be in my bliss regardless - but to what degree do we remain in a marriage just merely making it an opportunity to serve, especially when children are involved? At what cost? My husband is an amazing wonderful man who I love deeply (who I?d always choose over single parenting) but my heart is elsewhere. I?ve shared about most of this before so it?s no surprise but I?d love to hear responses at this point.
I feel safe enough to be totally honest and transparent here regardless of the audience. Love to hear your responses.
Much love, Chard



Dogboy
USA
1547 Posts

 Posted - Nov 05 2017 :  08:59:37 AM 
You have endured a lot of changes these past few months and are still adjusting to your new home. You love your husband but are not in love with him. Perhaps that is enough for now, for you have much on your plate and a lot of unsettled feelings inside and out. As long as respect and safety is present in your marriage, you both have time to figure this out.




sunyata
USA
1386 Posts

 Posted - Nov 08 2017 :  09:39:41 AM
Perhaps bliss is in also accepting our heart breaks. I know easier said than done.

As the saying goes ?Inch by inch, life?s a cinch. Yard by yard, life?s hard.?

Much Love
Edited by - sunyata on Nov 08 2017 11:09:07 AM




Chard
239 Posts

 Posted - Nov 10 2017 :  01:41:53 AM 
Dog boy, I really appreciate your words...I could feel the divine wisdom flow through your words. Thank you. It is true- there?s a lot on my plate in just getting settled here on the outside. All I can really handle right now anyway is just focusing on organizing and setting up our home here. I?m utterly grateful too that I married a home designer who can look at a room and know exactly how to design and decorate it and bring beauty where it does not exist. So right now I?m just enjoyed witnessing him and assisting him in this process and anchoring our family here more and more- so it?s just trusting that that?s where I need to be now and also continuing to focus on my service work and God will guide me to the next right action in my life. I don?t need to know how the future of my life will play out but I?m often impatient.

Sunyata, thank you so much for your words of wisdom...yes, it?s all about acceptance of every bit of how my life is today...the heartbreak, the deep peace, the pain, the confusion, the shame, the disorientation in a new place, the loneliness, the laughter, the passion, the divine love, the selfish love, the anger, the serenity, the humility, the courage, the nostalgia, the aloneness, the yearning, the joy, the trust, the clenching, and the increasing love for myself in the midst of what I?ve been living.
All the while just accepting that this is the ?what is? of my life right now- so be it.
I can sit with it all. I will sit with it all.
I humbly thank u Sunyata and Dogboy. Love always all! C



Dogboy
USA
1710 Posts

Posted - Jan 28 2020 :  6:34:45 PM 
Peace to you!




Presence Light
Algeria
10 Posts

Posted - Feb 05 2020 :  6:36:30 PM 

peace




jclone
United Arab Emirates
5 Posts

Posted - Mar 12 2020 :  03:18:38 AM
love and light to you