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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Prana in the air: Can you see it?
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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Kechari as a tool #2
« Last post by Chandan on July 29, 2012, 08:42:03 AM »English has limited words, and further my knowledge of language is poor. hence i will try to be as descriptive and exact as possible, hoping to give precise and clear information to my fellow seeking individuals.
>> Talabya is the best method of achieving kechari in my experience and learning.
>> It is surely not simply "hitting the tongue to the block" , and it should be done in sandhya or in between or post of the initial kriya set. when done in this auspicious moments, it surely increases the dormant "magnetism" between the alternative route of soma , which is of rejuvenating in nature !
>> When talabya increases magnetism, the tongue slowly slowly starts to rest in the states of talabya positions naturally. one will wake up in morning and find there tongue beautifully twisted and sleeping in the upper cavity so peacefully without vibration. that's just one example, like this tongue achieves natural succession.
>> in talabya, the attraction between the point of bindu, where soma flows, and the sacred point in the tongue, which performs the higher function of the tongue as gnanendriya ( organ of knowledge ) is invoked.
Note : Hence one is said to be eligible to do talabya only he is able to establish himself in kutasta for at the least two mahurtas during sandhyas( twilights ) or his regular intervals of kriya practice.
this is because when tongue vibration reduces and magnetism between the point of soma and tongue increases, the scared sky "kechari = movement space/sky" starts to be accessible even before one can enter the cavity. and this sky is one is not able to absorb these variations by situation in the kutasta, one will end up being unstable, being overly aggressive, short tempered and in these ways hurts themselves ...
and as final thought to share out of love, please know that the best way to learn anything in these great ways, is to with total surrendered ego, like a little humble student, try and apply ones will in practice. and keenly observe the subtle changes that arise.
asking questions and indulging in discussion that require to understand through instruments of chitta, rarely bear great fruits.
nevertheless, i feel discussing or asking questions and indulging in discussions only as and when required, is of no harm.
I wish the light of the self for all, may all be auspicious in the supreme witness.
-- Om
>> Talabya is the best method of achieving kechari in my experience and learning.
>> It is surely not simply "hitting the tongue to the block" , and it should be done in sandhya or in between or post of the initial kriya set. when done in this auspicious moments, it surely increases the dormant "magnetism" between the alternative route of soma , which is of rejuvenating in nature !
>> When talabya increases magnetism, the tongue slowly slowly starts to rest in the states of talabya positions naturally. one will wake up in morning and find there tongue beautifully twisted and sleeping in the upper cavity so peacefully without vibration. that's just one example, like this tongue achieves natural succession.
>> in talabya, the attraction between the point of bindu, where soma flows, and the sacred point in the tongue, which performs the higher function of the tongue as gnanendriya ( organ of knowledge ) is invoked.
Note : Hence one is said to be eligible to do talabya only he is able to establish himself in kutasta for at the least two mahurtas during sandhyas( twilights ) or his regular intervals of kriya practice.
this is because when tongue vibration reduces and magnetism between the point of soma and tongue increases, the scared sky "kechari = movement space/sky" starts to be accessible even before one can enter the cavity. and this sky is one is not able to absorb these variations by situation in the kutasta, one will end up being unstable, being overly aggressive, short tempered and in these ways hurts themselves ...
and as final thought to share out of love, please know that the best way to learn anything in these great ways, is to with total surrendered ego, like a little humble student, try and apply ones will in practice. and keenly observe the subtle changes that arise.
asking questions and indulging in discussion that require to understand through instruments of chitta, rarely bear great fruits.
nevertheless, i feel discussing or asking questions and indulging in discussions only as and when required, is of no harm.
I wish the light of the self for all, may all be auspicious in the supreme witness.
-- Om
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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Amma the Hugging Saint
« Last post by Ananda on October 28, 2010, 06:13:58 AM »Dear Parallax, thank you for sharing your experience. And thank you guys for showing the ups and downs; I am very grateful. But please i would appreciate it very much if this discussion could be let go of and ended here.
Namaste
Namaste
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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Amma the Hugging Saint
« Last post by Parallax on October 28, 2010, 04:54:59 AM »Fwiw
I've had Darshan 3x now (she comes through Boston once a year), and really enjoyed the experience. I could feel the Silence in a couple of my chakras, particularly the 2nd time I went. She definitely exuded a childlike quality...particularly that smile! After 8 hrs of non-stop hugs she was laughing and smiling as if she had just sat down.
Hope it helps!!
I've had Darshan 3x now (she comes through Boston once a year), and really enjoyed the experience. I could feel the Silence in a couple of my chakras, particularly the 2nd time I went. She definitely exuded a childlike quality...particularly that smile! After 8 hrs of non-stop hugs she was laughing and smiling as if she had just sat down.
Hope it helps!!
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« Last post by Jim and His Karma on October 28, 2010, 03:38:27 AM »Christi,
I agree with Yogani that guru bashing is unproductive (gurus should be judged for their teachings, not their behavior), and a likely source of "flame wars" on this forum. And, as I said, I am ambivalent about Amma, and have no agenda "for" or "against". However, I think it's worth balancing your statement via other views. At very least, it will give Ananda more background in deciding whether to make this journey (again, I myself am ambivalent). But I'll have no further comment in this thread.
Another side to the Amma money story:
http://bit.ly/9x1OkP (also read the replies linked at bottom)
Other links of interest:
http://cultofhuggingsaintamma.wordpress.com
support group for ex-devotees: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/examma
As I noted, on my 2005 visit the chant was translated (afterwards, which made it weirdly coercive - and it was not the only coercive element I picked up on), and the translation was as I'd described. I'm neither lying nor "confused". And, yes, I'm aware of the meaning of "amma".
I agree with Yogani that guru bashing is unproductive (gurus should be judged for their teachings, not their behavior), and a likely source of "flame wars" on this forum. And, as I said, I am ambivalent about Amma, and have no agenda "for" or "against". However, I think it's worth balancing your statement via other views. At very least, it will give Ananda more background in deciding whether to make this journey (again, I myself am ambivalent). But I'll have no further comment in this thread.
Another side to the Amma money story:
http://bit.ly/9x1OkP (also read the replies linked at bottom)
Other links of interest:
http://cultofhuggingsaintamma.wordpress.com
support group for ex-devotees: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/examma
As I noted, on my 2005 visit the chant was translated (afterwards, which made it weirdly coercive - and it was not the only coercive element I picked up on), and the translation was as I'd described. I'm neither lying nor "confused". And, yes, I'm aware of the meaning of "amma".
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« Last post by Ananda on October 27, 2010, 09:37:48 PM »Thank you both, a couple of days back i've met Priyan here in Lebanon. He's been a resident at her ashram (for 10 years now) and it was pretty much as you said about Amma dear Jim.
The guy was very child like and i felt a presence around him which is something i've experienced for the first time. It was this sort of aura which made it easy to be quiet but it wasn't that much of an intense thing. All in all the meeting was pleasant and humble. And he pointed out the way for me to another teacher in his seventies who lives here in Beirut and makes a one week gathering with a group of 3 or 4 people and i've spoke with him and am going to meet tomorrow :-). He's a disciple of swami Chidananda the former president of the Divine life society.
And might visit Amma's ashram this year...
Love,
Ananda
The guy was very child like and i felt a presence around him which is something i've experienced for the first time. It was this sort of aura which made it easy to be quiet but it wasn't that much of an intense thing. All in all the meeting was pleasant and humble. And he pointed out the way for me to another teacher in his seventies who lives here in Beirut and makes a one week gathering with a group of 3 or 4 people and i've spoke with him and am going to meet tomorrow :-). He's a disciple of swami Chidananda the former president of the Divine life society.
And might visit Amma's ashram this year...
Love,
Ananda
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« Last post by Christi on October 27, 2010, 08:37:44 PM »Hi Jim,
Welcome back.![[:)]](http://www.aypsite.com/plus-forum/Smileys/akyhne/icon_smile.gif "Smile")
For what it's worth, Amma's devotees sell loads of stuff on the tours. It is all sold to raise money to support hundreds of charitable activities all over the world.
I got to see this in action once when the tsunami hit India in 2004. The village around Amma's ashram was wiped out completely with 150 people dead. All 10,000 people living in the village were evacuated to dry land. I was one of those evacuated. 10 schools which were unaffected by the tsunami were turned into refugee camps, with one thousand people in each school. For the next 4 months, in the ashram, we cooked for those 10,000 people, twice a day. Trucks went out, morning and evening to every school with big pots of cooked rice and vegetables in. It was unbelievable to be part of. Eventually, their homes were rebuilt, and they are now back in the village.
In all Amma donated 25 million dollars to help people affected by the tsunami, not just in her own village, but on the east side of India too which was much more badly hit. If it wasn't for all the things being sold on the tours, there wouldn't have been the money to feed those people, or to rebuild their homes.
Here is some info on where the money goes:
http://www.amritapuri.org/activity
And in case you're wondering, Amma doesn't actually have any money. She is effectively a nun, and lives in poverty. The money is owned by a charitable trust which is managed by trustees.
And again, for what it's worth, there aren't any chants where people pledge their devotion and loyalty to Amma. Amma isn't interested in that at all. You may have been confused because the word "Amma" means "Mother" and is used to refer to the "Mother of creation", or "God" in other words. There are chants in Sanskrit which are basically saying, I surrender myself before God. Amma (Amritanandamayi as she is also called) is into that. In a big way. And she tends to prefer the Mother aspect of the divine rather than the Father when it comes to chanting.
I hope you go again, and get a hug next time!
Christi
Welcome back.
quote:
I didn't like the scene much. Enormous retail operation going on, like a kitsch snake oil show.
For what it's worth, Amma's devotees sell loads of stuff on the tours. It is all sold to raise money to support hundreds of charitable activities all over the world.
I got to see this in action once when the tsunami hit India in 2004. The village around Amma's ashram was wiped out completely with 150 people dead. All 10,000 people living in the village were evacuated to dry land. I was one of those evacuated. 10 schools which were unaffected by the tsunami were turned into refugee camps, with one thousand people in each school. For the next 4 months, in the ashram, we cooked for those 10,000 people, twice a day. Trucks went out, morning and evening to every school with big pots of cooked rice and vegetables in. It was unbelievable to be part of. Eventually, their homes were rebuilt, and they are now back in the village.
In all Amma donated 25 million dollars to help people affected by the tsunami, not just in her own village, but on the east side of India too which was much more badly hit. If it wasn't for all the things being sold on the tours, there wouldn't have been the money to feed those people, or to rebuild their homes.
Here is some info on where the money goes:
http://www.amritapuri.org/activity
And in case you're wondering, Amma doesn't actually have any money. She is effectively a nun, and lives in poverty. The money is owned by a charitable trust which is managed by trustees.
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And we were all led in a chant which was translated for us only after we'd finished chanting it...it turned out we were pledging our devotion and loyalty to Amma. Ick.
And again, for what it's worth, there aren't any chants where people pledge their devotion and loyalty to Amma. Amma isn't interested in that at all. You may have been confused because the word "Amma" means "Mother" and is used to refer to the "Mother of creation", or "God" in other words. There are chants in Sanskrit which are basically saying, I surrender myself before God. Amma (Amritanandamayi as she is also called) is into that. In a big way. And she tends to prefer the Mother aspect of the divine rather than the Father when it comes to chanting.
I hope you go again, and get a hug next time!
Christi
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« Last post by Jim and His Karma on October 27, 2010, 06:20:29 PM »Hi, Ananda.
I didn't like the scene much. Enormous retail operation going on, like a kitsch snake oil show. And we were all led in a chant which was translated for us only after we'd finished chanting it...it turned out we were pledging our devotion and loyalty to Amma. Ick. I didn't stay for the hug.
But I will say one thing: most gurus project a well cultivated guru-ish image, just like in the movies. Charisma!! But Amma was different. Not projecting any image at all. Very child-like (though, paradoxically, I've heard from multiple trusted sources that she's actually quite controlling).
My barometer to sort out folks who have really let go from those using spiritual practices to hang on yet more tightly (expanding ego via pride in their spiritual "attainment") is this: with the earnest ones, you wouldn't hesitate to walk up and suddenly start a game of slappy hands, as you might with a three year old. By contrast, those with a stake in projecting an image of spirituality tend to be super extra mature-seeming. It's like they've gone 180 degrees the other way. Letting go of the whole "image" thing leaves you childlike (you know what the bible says about little children and heaven!). Reinforcing self image ("I used to be lost in ego, but now I've transformed into a beautiful spiritual butterfly!") takes you the other way.
Amma was unmistakably child-like. So my feelings were, I guess I'll say, ambivalent.
J&K
I didn't like the scene much. Enormous retail operation going on, like a kitsch snake oil show. And we were all led in a chant which was translated for us only after we'd finished chanting it...it turned out we were pledging our devotion and loyalty to Amma. Ick. I didn't stay for the hug.
But I will say one thing: most gurus project a well cultivated guru-ish image, just like in the movies. Charisma!! But Amma was different. Not projecting any image at all. Very child-like (though, paradoxically, I've heard from multiple trusted sources that she's actually quite controlling).
My barometer to sort out folks who have really let go from those using spiritual practices to hang on yet more tightly (expanding ego via pride in their spiritual "attainment") is this: with the earnest ones, you wouldn't hesitate to walk up and suddenly start a game of slappy hands, as you might with a three year old. By contrast, those with a stake in projecting an image of spirituality tend to be super extra mature-seeming. It's like they've gone 180 degrees the other way. Letting go of the whole "image" thing leaves you childlike (you know what the bible says about little children and heaven!). Reinforcing self image ("I used to be lost in ego, but now I've transformed into a beautiful spiritual butterfly!") takes you the other way.
Amma was unmistakably child-like. So my feelings were, I guess I'll say, ambivalent.
J&K
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« Last post by Ananda on October 23, 2010, 07:46:10 PM »Hope you're doing well dear Jim, pardon me for opening up this old topic but after reading all this i am very interested to know what happened with you after...
Love,
Ananda
Love,
Ananda
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Yahoo AYP Forum Archive Threads / Kechari as a tool #2
« Last post by Victor on July 30, 2009, 07:29:14 AM »has anybody here experimented with this kechari mantra? ("HRIM BHAM SAM PAM PHAM SAM KSHAM") it does seem to move energy in the shushumna in a similar way to the mantras that Yogani teaches.