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AYP Public Forum => Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP => Topic started by: SeySorciere on March 07, 2010, 04:51:29 PM
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Dear all,
I would like to share with you my first out-of-body experience and loved to hear your comments
Last Friday evenng, I went to listen to a talk given by a German Lady who is marketing a seminar called "A Path To Light"; as the cost to follow this seminar is pretty high, I thought I would hear a talk about it first. She started with a meditation session of 45 mins. It was guided meditation centred on the heart; my first experience of such. Having a good depth of abiding inner silence, I immediately slipped into deep silence as soon as I closed my eyes and could concentrate purely on her voice and instructions in an easy and relaxed manner. She started with asking you to feel your heart fill with Love; then scanned your body with the Love, then move the Love outwards towards your neighbour. We were about 10 persons sitting in a circle. Towards the end of the session, she said - Now see how far you can extend your Love
With the first breath, I pulsated my Love energy in concentric circles (I must say, it was just energy and not really an outpour of divine Love, which I have experienced a couple of times before) to cover the room. Second breath, I pulsated and covered beyond the mountains outside. Third breath, the island. Then I instinctively gathered energy from the others, intending to cover the world. I released and I hear a loud crack, like an electric spark, and the next thing I know, I am spinning into space. I am just a light or I am following a light. I look back and I see my body collapse on my chair, sobbing (but I can't see the room nor the others, just me on the chair, very far away). I hesitate between going forward and going back, slowing down. Then I hear her voice asking if I'm ok and she closes my crown chakra with her hands and I am back in my body.
It was my first out-of-body experience. It happened in seconds - wish I had had more time to explore and orient myself. Hmm.. maybe next time.
I felt deep peace for the rest of the evening
Awesome !
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Wow! Great experience.
The drop is falling back into the ocean.
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Hey Seysorciere,
Honestly I'm not a big fan of getting these experience under the palm of another person. But as long as you feel great afterward, then it's probably a very positive experience.
Ps, Tama mentions a tip from his qigong teacher: you will come back if you touch your body when you are out of it. For your reference in case you travel out by yourself next time:)
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Dear Sey,
Wow, i am happy for you! One of my favorite things in Life itself!...AND probably something i need to let go of, as well! [:0]
Ah well......
Smiles
Rael
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Philaboston - thanks for the tip ! I don't think the Lady's purpose was to enable astral traveling. She was just doing a regular, meditation session. I do want to try again on my own (although I doubt the same method will work twice! Just one of those things that happpen once and you can't reproduce)
Thanks all
SeySorciere
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Hi Sey!
It can definitely be reproduced, but possibly not as easily and spontaneously in the same situation. Just reading about it and getting excited about it can cause it to happen!
Happy Flying!
Rael [:X]
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Nice experience SeySorciere. I am getting interested in out-of-body experiences myself, after reading/hearing accounts of near death experiences and other types of experiences where people see their own body and the room/people/situation clearly. A quite straightforward way to knowing for sure one is not one's body hein? :)
So, following from that, Rael - what book(s) could you recommend to get you inspired? I like stories of people who were not actively pursuing that experience but happened to them anyway (like near death experiences), not so much "technical" manuals. Thanks much!
P.S.: Not that my main aim in life and Yoga in general is to fly around outside my body, it is just a particular interest I have at the moment - like a hobby or a science project. Why not?! [:)]
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I think you should definately read the books by Robert Monroe, probably in the order written. Reading his first book prompted my first out of body experience.
Journeys Out of the Body (1971) ISBN 0-385-00861-9
Far Journeys (1985) ISBN 0-385-23182-2
Ultimate Journey (1994) ISBN 0-385-47208-0
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I've gotten to the age where I view astral stuff as a distraction and time waster...but for you younger guys, your mileage may vary ;)
That being said, Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics is about as good as it gets :)
http://www.amazon.com/Astral-Dynamics-Out-Body-Experiences/dp/1571746161/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268160520&sr=8-2
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@YogaIsLife
do your AYP practice and push a little bit the part of SBP and of YMK. After the session, lay down in corpse position in your bed. Cover the body and let it be comfortable. Stop moving physically and relax into the body for an indefinite timing (till it happens).
If a good degree of witnessing is already present and mother kundalini is a bit more active, after about 20-60 minutes not doing anything you can switch over to astral consiousness. It happened for me many hundred times and gave some good insights.
But you will find out very fast, that the astral sphere is highly appealing and attracting and in fact just another sphere. Much more responsive to your wishes, much more fluid, much more time/space games. If you can resist and stay in your bed even though you are astrally consious, it can deepen to more refined spheres till you land in pure bliss being.
With a male body, my penis is always errect when the switch happens and the energy flows from there up the spine and back and does his own game. Sometimes if the sexual energy gets too high I have to do a very strong mula bandha to not ejaculate which happend a lot in the early happenings (without a single physical movement)some years ago. Don't know how this is for a female body.
I'm not sure, but it feels like the body is not breathing while this happens. It is reproducable and the formula is always like that:
Good amount of witness + a lot of kunda action + laying down doing nothing, like going to sleep, complete let go.
Downsides, it eats a lot of time and brings a lot of instability. And you are most probably here to live with a physical dominant reality. Do your research, but not in trade off with stable twice daily practice. One can see how IAM works fore example and why SBP is one of the best pranayams. So yeah, one can do AYP practice while being in the astral body too. But it is not very easy because of the immense responsiveness.
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Thanks a lot for all the feedback [:)]
Yes, I know it is just "fun and games" but, like Holy said, can give good insights. At least I am curious. It does not lead to liberation, of that I am sure. Only one thing does, and it is not astral projecting that will do it :D
Anyway, as a scientist [8D], and realising that it is possible, what I would really like to experience is a confirmation, like hearing some one else's conversation in another room, or somethign like that. People with near death experiences had that often. Pretty intriguing, and gives you the clear sense that you are not confined to the body.
Thanks tomllee and wigswest for the book refs. For the moment I got Graham Dack "The Out of Body Experience" from the Library. Should be good.
What did you guys learn from being "out there"? [:)]
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Originally posted by YogaIsLife
What did you guys learn from being "out there"? [:)]
You will have questions about ethics, like "should I ask for someone's permission before I 'spy on them'".
The colors are never identical to the colors on the earth plane. So if you see someone wearing a green shirt through astral vision, it might actually be red or blue in every day life.
Also, stay away from high voltage power lines. They will pull you in like a high powered magnet, trapping you there like flypaper.
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TI
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Dear Yoga
One fun way is to read Carlos Castaneda, starting with "The Teachings of Don Juan". Those used to pop me out and "Journeys out of the Body" and "Far Journeys" by the modern master, Robert Monroe! "Projection of the Astral Body" by Muldoon and Carrington" (great accounts and methods too!). "Otherwhere" by a student of Monroe.
Immerse yourself in this and Lucid Dreaming material: Lucid Dreaming books by LaBerge. "Creative Dreaming" also great....chapter on "Learning from Senoi Dreamers", fast and easy method and results! Rest of book great dream education and handbook. Patricia Garfield!
Let me know if you want more.
I'd love to hear how you do!
The easiest way is to get Monroe's Gateway Experience at a discount on Amazon. Wave 1 alone, can get you detaching from the body. He also published one that is just focused specifically on Astral release.
Hugs
Rael!
Originally posted by YogaIsLife
Nice experience SeySorciere. I am getting interested in out-of-body experiences myself, after reading/hearing accounts of near death experiences and other types of experiences where people see their own body and the room/people/situation clearly. A quite straightforward way to knowing for sure one is not one's body hein? :)
So, following from that, Rael - what book(s) could you recommend to get you inspired? I like stories of people who were not actively pursuing that experience but happened to them anyway (like near death experiences), not so much "technical" manuals. Thanks much!
P.S.: Not that my main aim in life and Yoga in general is to fly around outside my body, it is just a particular interest I have at the moment - like a hobby or a science project. Why not?! [:)]
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Wow! More to read. Thanks guys. I definitely want to learn more. I will start with Holy's "easy" method.
Oh and do I need to worry about lower beings? I will not bring "someone" back with me when I get back into the body?? - [:D] I may have watched too many horror movies and completely misinformed but I thought I'd ask.
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
Also, stay away from high voltage power lines. They will pull you in like a high powered magnet, trapping you there like flypaper.
hahaha.. India is a good place for OBE/astral travel then. Here the power goes out every few hours. So if one gets trapped in the lines he need not worry too long.
Is there a possibility that while you are traveling outside your body, another spirit can take over your body or get attached to it?
How do we deal with that?
How far have you traveled? Another country, planet or NASA space station orbiting the earth? I am just curious.
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"Lower beings" will come and go. I had a lot of other beings encounter, but also a lot of human encounter, also with my family members in other rooms while they were more physically aware. My mum often noticed me being present, others did not so much.
After some time, you get to know directly, that you are untouched by everything. Whatever happens, nothing really happens to you.
I only remember one incident where some thing wanted to enter my body at night. I could domminate it back then. Another guy once sent some dark creation to take over (the astral body?) and there some intervention happened and brought me out of it. So if you don't believe in god and never had any direct experiences of omnipresent intelligence, astral experiences can bring you to a psychologist for sure. But if witnessing is present you don't have to worry.
If it happens at daylight, the vision is much more perfect, sharp and colours are highly vivid. If it happens at night, everything is like in a mud, vision is blurred etc.
I never left earth because of the immense fear that arose when leaving the orbit. At other times, I was in the middle of our solar system and then thoughts came together with fear, then a prayer and oneness-bliss made the transition very smooth back to the body. Many crazy things happen.
Once I was lost in another timespace reality and tried to find back to "my" body as the usual "intent and be back" did not work. Then after subjectively thousands of years of travelling through unending timespces "I" somehow managed to come back to the physical body and reality. This really "killed me" in some way. Psychological recovery from this took about 1-2 days. You get to know directly that this physical life you are in is really nothing. But also you have the oportunity to make the best of (enjoying) it.
Encounter with "higher beings" also happened here and there. The brighter the light, the clearer the vision, the more stable the happening, the higher the chance to have some "more special" encounter. In the end, as Yogani says, comes and goes.
Best insights happened during pranayama and meditation tests while being in the astral body. Concentration - meditation - samadhi happens with much less distraction and much much faster.
E.g. looking at the sun in whatever time/space you may be is very beautiful. If you look stadily, this goes over to meditation and a sort of sun-samadhi.
DM kills the astral scenery and brings you back to the physical body while at the same time being astrally aware. Then other astral things happen, IAM brings you back again and the process of karma-dissolving through DM becomes clearly visible. These were some the helpful insights.
Looking up at ajna kills the astral scenery too. But it is hard to resist the temptation to fly around and do whatever you like. Every wish comes true within seconds.
There is a lot of stuff, infinite distraction. One tip would be, don't subscribe agreements or anything like had. Some beings can offer you some kind of powers, better being who you are and letting everything else go.
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Originally posted by manigma
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
Also, stay away from high voltage power lines. They will pull you in like a high powered magnet, trapping you there like flypaper.
hahaha.. India is a good place for OBE/astral travel then. Here the power goes out every few hours. So if one gets trapped in the lines he need not worry too long.
Is there a possibility that while you are traveling outside your body, another spirit can take over your body or get attached to it?
How do we deal with that?
How far have you traveled? Another country, planet or NASA space station orbiting the earth? I am just curious.
Hi Manigma,
When I would get trapped in power lines I would just freak out and would snap back into my body.
I've never had experiences of something trying to take over my body, not that I can recall. I have, however, flown down into a horrible plane where it is a sea of standing people in a hot dark red pit and if you fly too close to them, they grab you and hold you down. The harder you struggle to get free, more of them grab you and try to hold you down. Again, the only way I got out was to freak out and pop back in the body.
I've been many places. Eventually, like I was saying, the ethics of "spying" on people got to me. I really didn't want to invade anyone's privacy nor make them uncomfortable. A long time ago when I was projecting quite frequently, one evening I 'visited' a female classmate and watched her as she did homework on her bed. The next day in class I told her what she had been doing the night before, and even described what she was wearing. It totally freaked her out and she never spoke to me again! Perhaps she didn't believe my story and thought I was stalking her or something.. :(
I believe everyone astral travels unknowingly when they go to sleep. Some dreams are actually astral projections, it's just that we don't remember them or realize that that is what is happening at the time.
Also, like Holy is indicating, you don't really need to leave your body to turn on astral sight. If you get deep enough in meditation where you've entered the conscious sleep state, your astral faculties become accessible. You can also just make up a little astral body and send that anywhere you'd like to gather and send back impressions. You can even just stretch out a finger and send it somewhere.
Actually, I don't even have to do that. Sometimes I just think of someone and I get visual feedback instantaneously. Like just now, for example, after an unintentional lightening flash, I can see that you have a large bicycle with rounded handle bars at your place.. :)
I also believe that anyone who experiences unity consciousness has the ability to know any event that is taking place in reality without gimmicks or crutches. I think that as you progress along the path, these events will occur more frequently until at last you achieve stability.
:)
TI
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
When I would get trapped in power lines I would just freak out and would snap back into my body.
Yes, freak out. That makes sense. Whenever I have an unpleasant dream and I realise that I am dreaming, I struggle to get out from it. Similar to freaking out. And snap! out of the dream, back on the bed.
I don't mind anyone spying on me. In fact I know that I am being spied most of the time. I am used to it.
I have had interactions with these people in the past... many of them were foreigners. Its like hacking into one of the millions of online connected computers around the world.
Its fun but you soon realise this thing can't take you much far spiritually. Its a waste of precious time and energy.
I don't know at what time you got the flash about the Bicycle at my place. I do have several round handled ones outside my work place. [:)]
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Originally posted by Holy
Some beings can offer you some kind of powers, better being who you are and letting everything else go.
You need to be really Holy to do that. [:)]
I know some people don't realise this soon and end sucked up.
Wonderful experiences. Thanks for sharing.
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I had an out of body experience when I was about 14. Picked up my Mums Carlos Castenada book which had a technique. You were supposed to ground a limb in a bowl of water first.
So, thinking it was just another load of spiritualist rubbish I experimented and forgot about the bowl of water. The upshot is that I had the sensation of being out of my body for a brief moment and it scared me, I definitely didn't like it, never tried it.
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The upshot is that I had the sensation of being out of my body for a brief moment and it scared me, I definitely didn't like it, never tried it.
I also didn't like it. Why is that? The sensation of not feeling my body is scaring for me and I don't really understand why. Lots of people seem to love it!
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Originally posted by YogaIsLife
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The upshot is that I had the sensation of being out of my body for a brief moment and it scared me, I definitely didn't like it, never tried it.
I also didn't like it. Why is that? The sensation of not feeling my body is scaring for me and I don't really understand why. Lots of people seem to love it!
I really felt completely isolated and even if it wasn't real, it cetainly seemed like it. It seemed like I couldn't get back. When you are young then that kind of experience and spontinaity is a lot to take in.
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Yes, I understand very well Karl. To feel isolated, that describes it pretty well. I used to feel the same. Then I realised that it is the unknown that we fear. It's ignorance that breeds fear. If we stay calm, and try to remain objective, open and even with a kind of childish curiosity we will see that there is very little to fear but fear itself. Then it also helps a lot to read or talk with someone else who had similar experinces and maybe knows more about how it works. Like I said, it is lack of knowledge that creates fear...
Thanks for sharing!
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Can anyone share what it feels like when you come back into your body?
I think that I have had a spontaneous experiences recently but when I woke up, I still doubted whether or not I was dreaming. I remember waking up and looking at my alarm clock, it was 6:52 am, I got out of bed and walked across the room, and then suddenly I was waking up again in my bed and the time was 6:53! What made me think that it was not a dream is that the room looked exactly the same but it was kind of out of focus or hazy. And waking up was strange, it seemed like there was delay in between waking up and getting my eyes to open, and my heart was racing as if I had "jumped" into the bed.
I've heard people mention that when they get back, their feet kick. I've been awaken a few times because my feet kicked in my sleep, but that's usually when I have dreams where I was falling and about to hit the ground...
So that's why I'm curious to know what others have felt when they got back, it would help me differentiate if it's a dream or not!
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I think that I have had a spontaneous experiences recently but when I woke up, I still doubted whether or not I was dreaming. I remember waking up and looking at my alarm clock, it was 6:52 am, I got out of bed and walked across the room, and then suddenly I was waking up again in my bed and the time was 6:53!
Hi journy, awesome! [:)]
Well, I am not experienced with this (maybe others are) but what you describe is totally similar to all the experiences I read about. Sorry I can't be of more help but that is it.
A question: do you meditate? What practices do you engage in?
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Hi Yoga,
I do meditate although not as regularly as I should! :-)
I recently found this site and I am looking forward to trying the deep meditation technique among other things. I think I could greatly benefit from having a daily routine!
Before that, I tried crystal meditation and about 2 months ago learned a meditation technique called Vipassana.
:-)
J
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I think I could greatly benefit from having a daily routine!
I'd say so [:)]
Anyway, all the best, and keep us posted!
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Greetings,
I continue to be fascinated by the wide range of topics that I keep on discovering in this forum. Thanks to all for the postings !
Jourmy , my recent out of the body experiences are quite similar to yours. I get up, usually in the middle of the night sitting on the edge of the bed. There is a light feeling and the room looks darker than usual. I notice in these occasions that I cannot feel my legs touching the floor – which usually snaps me back.
My first out of the body experience happed when I was eighteen after I started experimenting with paranormal. They continued for a few years and stopped after I stopped my experiments. The highlight of those experiences was the feeling of naked terror I felt when I realized that weird feeling of consciousness without a body form. When I could eventually fight the feeling of terror I could see the objects in my room (posters, pictures and all) – and on one occasion my sleeping form lying on the bed.
The experiences started again a few years ago. This time the feeling of terror was not there – I don’t try to resist these experiences. Neither do I look forward to these experiences. But hearing Tibetan Ice’s experiences I am wondering if I should reconsider the looking forward part [:)]
Author Richard Bach of Jonathan Livingstone Seagull fame – which BTW I would recommend to everyone, talks about astral projection in his book Bridge Across Forever where he and his soulmate float among the clouds through voluntary astral projections. He mentions about a “silver chord” that attaches the astral body with the physical body. This perhaps answers your question about another spirit taking over the body, Manigma.
I do agree that my spiritual quest can be better focused exploring the same realm through deep meditation.
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After reading the Robert Monroe "Out-of-the body Journeys" about two weeks ago, I've been "practicing" regularly. I am a little confuse on the technique to get into higher vibrations; the book says breath in and out thru' your mouth rapidly - I am not sure for how long, plus this has a tendency of just making me dizzy and giving me a head-ache. I usually find myself vibrating with a higher frequency after my daily SB & YMK &DM session; but that I feel is due to retention of breath rather than over-breathing. So I go it that way instead of the Monroe recommended way. I succeeded once.
After my evening meditation session I did not rest but layed down, corpse pose, in bed. I was on the brink of falling asleep or did fell asleep for a moment but the next thing I know I am hanging on for dear life to the edge of the matress, a strong current tugging at me. Infront of me, just visible in the dark, my room as is, the window, my bed, my body on the bed. I glance over my shoulder and where the east-facing bedroom wall should have, I see a field /meadow with hills and a forest bathed in day-light. I felt that if I let go I would snap straight into that place. I got scared and scrambled back into my body. I have not been able to get out again. Still trying.
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@YogaIsLife
do your AYP practice and push a little bit the part of SBP and of YMK. After the session, lay down in corpse position in your bed. Cover the body and let it be comfortable. Stop moving physically and relax into the body for an indefinite timing (till it happens).
If a good degree of witnessing is already present and mother kundalini is a bit more active, after about 20-60 minutes not doing anything you can switch over to astral consiousness. It happened for me many hundred times and gave some good insights.
But you will find out very fast, that the astral sphere is highly appealing and attracting and in fact just another sphere. Much more responsive to your wishes, much more fluid, much more time/space games. If you can resist and stay in your bed even though you are astrally consious, it can deepen to more refined spheres till you land in pure bliss being.
With a male body, my penis is always errect when the switch happens and the energy flows from there up the spine and back and does his own game. Sometimes if the sexual energy gets too high I have to do a very strong mula bandha to not ejaculate which happend a lot in the early happenings (without a single physical movement)some years ago. Don't know how this is for a female body.
I'm not sure, but it feels like the body is not breathing while this happens. It is reproducable and the formula is always like that:
Good amount of witness + a lot of kunda action + laying down doing nothing, like going to sleep, complete let go.
Downsides, it eats a lot of time and brings a lot of instability. And you are most probably here to live with a physical dominant reality. Do your research, but not in trade off with stable twice daily practice. One can see how IAM works fore example and why SBP is one of the best pranayams. So yeah, one can do AYP practice while being in the astral body too. But it is not very easy because of the immense responsiveness.
The physiology of this, is very close to what you say.
In fact, the entire brain mechanism of samahdi depends upon an overstimulation
of part of the brain, and an understimulation of the parts of the brain which
cause localization of the sense of self in flesh. In fact, samahdi is not some
great indicator of holiness, it is a mundane skill to be learned. Only when
the energy completely overwhelms is samadhi involuntary. Of course WHERE your
samahdi leads you (through which aperature) is another matter entirely.
I am not demeaning the experience, I am explaining it.
When you lay down in the corpse pose, with all that kundalini activity,
you are in fact entering the first stages of sleep.
Contrary to popular belief, in sleep one module turns off at a time, not
all of them at once or even in close temporal proximity.
In fact it's your intent, that turns off the localization modules in the human
brain, while retaining the witness mode; the kundalini, if it is healthy,
flows in the proper direction and entrains the awareness towards an aperature.
I hope I explained this succinctly. Somtimes I get sloppy when I type
at full speed without thinking in words.
Regards,
Kevin Cann
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I had some out of body experiences while doing trance work at the Monroe Institute in Virginia. Very interesting to see where really deep meditation/trance work can take you. It was years ago but I think the Monroe Institute (founded by Robert Monroe, whose books someone else mentioned) still does the seminars, they are very good. They have a website. You are more than your body.
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Hello all,
I have just spotted this thread again and thought I'd give feedback after a year since I first posted. I pursued OBEs and astral travel actively and have had some success. I LOVE IT! My first reaction whenever I'm "out" is over-excitement... which often zaps me right back into my body. I feel like a dog who has been released after being tied down a couple of days. I go wild - swirling, shooting off into space and back down at lightning speed, laughing in pure delight. I usually end up lost this way. After I've calmed down enough to try and state a destination, I no longer know where I am. I have experienced very conscious exit and re-entry, slow and controlled, marveling at my new body.
I am frustrated, however, that I still can't do it at will and it takes so long.. over an hour, of lying still and/or some rope-climbing (Robert Bruce Method)
Voila !
Seysorciere
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Originally posted by SeySorciere
My first reaction whenever I'm "out" is over-excitement... which often zaps me right back into my body.
Yes, a dream ends the same way too. Over-excitement, over-fear or over-suspicion would immediately bring us out from the dream and we find ourselves safe on our beds.
[:D]
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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So, 9 years down the line. How do you get out of your body when you are no longer in your body? It?s a question that puzzled me for years. After about two years 2010 - 2011 of exploring OBEs and astral journeys , I lost interest in the whole thing. In later years , when once in a while, I would wish to ?get out of my body? , I found I no longer knew how. I was no longer in my body but my body in me. So how to I access the astral? I still did at times but with no control, no Will, No sense of journeying, just sudden awareness of a different realm .
More years went by and I came to see that the astral too is within me. But still, how do I access specific places? Times?
Then, last night I had an experience. I have been ?keeping an eye? on a young nephew who has just discovered the ?fun? of marijuana and journeying. Except he doesn?t seem to be having fun... lower world entities and such resulting in psychotic episodes. So he was ?somewhere? riding an eagle, when I popped out beside him, traveling at great speed. He happily called out to me, then grabbed and pull me into the eagle with him. I felt my sight adjust to the eagle?s sight. For a moment all three were one. Then something within me felt that this was not right and I pull out and sat up. I don?t expect everyone to believe this story and think I was dreaming.
My point, you pop into places. Which is logical... don?t know why I didn?t see it before. That does not mean I now know how to do it at Will or how choose a specific location.
The wonders of our mind !
Sey
Stille
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Thank you for your update SeySorciere! Just yesterday I was thinking about the subject and today this thread pops up
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CAA
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These OBE's started happening to me a few years ago at night ( i wasn't looking for it to happen they just started) and lasted of and on for 6-8 months.. Its been a year since its happened. I guess if i tried to make them happen i could but i don't try really, although i find them very fascinating! Maybe as mediation progresses it will be like Tibetan ice and Holy speak of? Sounds fun!
CAA
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Also for those interested, the Frank Kepple resource is available online, just google his name. His experience with this subject is amazing to read about lots of his personal experiences and assistance for those who need help.
interpaul
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Posted - Nov 02 2019 : 2:46:05 PM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote View user's IP address Get a Link to this Reply Delete Reply
I had been interested in this stuff awhile ago and was particularly interested in "proving" it was real to myself. I had my daughter place a random magazine on a random page on top of the bookshelf well above eye level. If I was able to leave my body and document what page the magazine was open to I would have definitive proof this is real. Unfortunately I have not been able to achieve this and found it was disrupting my sleep too much or taking too much time otherwise. Anyone do any experiments that "proved" they had left their body? After reading a number of the books can anyone recommend just one book to read that works most closely with the AYP practices?